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« Reply #1280 on: January 26, 2008, 03:40:37 PM »

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I can only say what I remember is both Simian and Checkme worked in places near each other.  There is a post somewhere that either Simian or Checkme asked if the other was working tonight.  I can't remember where it is right now, but I run across it on occasion. Depends on whom you think is Checkme and Simian.  If you think they work in ALE then they might have been at separate police stations...it is confusing.  It's not like here where you can actually quote a person so everyone will know who you are talking to.  I think Klaas said they had different IP or email addys.  She would know.  If you think Simian wasn't ALE but was being fed info from ALE in some way the entire picture changes.   I know where you stand on this one.

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So you think maybe Caps was talking about the Birmingham News?  That would be a stretch...a really long one at that. 


No, this THE NEWS is in Aruba.  It's where Julia claims Beth made the Hootie poster or whatever.

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« Reply #1281 on: January 26, 2008, 03:44:35 PM »

WoW!  Karen Janssen posts on forums?  No wonder she didn't have time to prosecute anybody between all the bridge and the forums!


But you'd expect her to be a little better informed if that's the case.

 
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« Reply #1282 on: January 26, 2008, 03:45:50 PM »

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Is this what you meant about Absolam yesterday? WOW! 

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/homemake/biblest-usurper.htm


Try Faulkner.  I always thought that's what it meant if the word stated twice, title of Faulkner story?

Of course I could be totally wrong about that.
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« Reply #1283 on: January 26, 2008, 03:49:09 PM »

Bringing this over for those working on this in here....thanks Caps.

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« Reply #139 on: Today at 02:05:40 PM »

Good day All Monkeys,

My eye are tired, brain cells are all on fire, excuse me for sometimes for posting typing errors or not perfect grammer, while trying to solve the riddle. My brain cell + 4 Computers are thinking in all possible scenarios, Current events, Political Events, Time Lines etc at the same time tried to ask questions, type, Decode, reassemble, re-analysis and reading information written from diffrent source of document written in 4 diffrent languages (DUTCH, PAPIAMENTO, SPANISH, ENGLISH can makes for these errors.

it is like trying to watch a Harry Potter Movie at High speed forward, understand a scenario and then rewind to put it in normal speed to read it while keeping on eye where you have heard or see a similarity in a scene that is going to happend or in this case already happend and not forgetting the questions asked to the SM Board to input in the instant flash scenarios that my synaptic are given me back.

I will solve this riddle.

and overview of the riddle movie that I see already in the making for what I have discovered from this riddle is:

it's a DRAMA, Suspense and Mystery movie all wrap in a deal package involving a Simple Conspiracy to get the MONEY to build the promised Ritz Carlton Hotel from and Self centered Egotistic Prime Minster and its Ministers Gangster WARS between the DUTCH PAIRLAMENTS and the Aruba Government for not given them to the MONEY for the sell of the PlantationBay Project.

Scene: Kiddnap a USA born Tourist and in this form force the DUTCH GOVERNMENT to release the MONEY and Also with the help from some one in the AHATA's well established MOB Controlled Tourist Enterprises to stage a KIDNAPP turning in a MURDER SCENE, with the promise to the actors in a form of a payback.

Resulting in EXTORTION MONEY GAINED to keep everyone happy. but leaving a real Victim in this case.

It must be playout as a real live event: REPOTERS and ACTORS, JUDGES, need to be to be there.

Consequences for the Bussines and Economies (TEEPEES) which will be hurting.

Fallback plan:
Will be the implementation of a Fiscal reform to get more money from the businesses in Aruba. The Fiscal  Reform that even the DUTCH PARLAMENT has thrown out the window because it hurts the economy. Anyone that has establish a business and have worked hard would not like to loose their business will comply by this Legal form of Extortion.

The Harvest: More Money from the Aruba and USA well establish enterprises. 120 thousant living souls and 2 + millions from other part of the world.
 
What we need to find out is who is playing what Part in the names in this Extortion / Murder movie.

Why they did it, MONEY
For What was the MONEY: A promised Project

My mom (77) says allways that "even strong jeans, if wear to much will get torn apart, but when washed, the fabric will come lose and when put through the dryer, the heat is so hot, that the fabric come loose and shreds"

so let them keep wearing the lies and we will keep washing till the fabric come loose, and when we applied the heat (the questions?), we will see all the lies and the monkeys can shred them by applying US Justice for all who is in the part.

My Task is to Decode and with help of other Monkeys we will Prevail for Natalee so that she can REST IN PEACE.


Klassend:

The Bondia newspaper this morning, Julia Renfro is getting herself out of the mess with a letter from the O.M. Aruba.
We have not even start the washing cycle yet and already she want to put protected armor coating on her self.

If she is clean there is no need for protected coating

THE CODEBREAKER

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« Reply #1284 on: January 26, 2008, 03:53:50 PM »

Tylergal
Is this what you meant about Absolam yesterday? WOW! 

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/homemake/biblest-usurper.htm


Try Faulkner.  I always thought that's what it meant if the word stated twice, title of Faulkner story?

Of course I could be totally wrong about that.

I understand now.
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« Reply #1285 on: January 26, 2008, 03:57:02 PM »

Caps...Sorry another question....is there an Albert who worked at the Red Sail with Koen? TIA...


Sorry....this question should have been for jackb.....


Lala's...please check your mail....



From Jack B:  I do not know, but seems like there was an AB questioned at some point during the first few weeks or so of the investigation.  A dude, seems like with glasses, late twenties.  Looked like he would be some type businessman.  J/b
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« Reply #1286 on: January 26, 2008, 06:37:09 PM »

Tylergal
Is this what you meant about Absolam yesterday? WOW! 

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/homemake/biblest-usurper.htm

King David loved Absalom in spite of the fact that Absalom had not been a loyal son to him. When Absalom was killed in battle, this is what happened:

And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!

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« Reply #1287 on: January 26, 2008, 06:39:07 PM »

Klaasend: or LALA

This riddle is two stories in one, to confused the readers.

it is like two story on top of each other, Pealing the layers and all comes clear

Question

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Answer: two power groups that supposed to build the the Ritz Carloton but did not build it.

Who are they?


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« Reply #1288 on: January 26, 2008, 06:54:24 PM »

...not Klaas or Lala's but I will guess

Bazarian International Financial Associates + the Marriott Group?
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« Reply #1289 on: January 26, 2008, 07:09:36 PM »

Something else I noticed....

#  Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.


This sounds like the same BS that the VDS's were spouting on the wine-throwing TV show.

I think Simian means either Holland (other side of the pond), or literally the other side of the pond in Montoya (near Joran's house?). 
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« Reply #1290 on: January 26, 2008, 07:28:12 PM »

Klaasend: or LALA

This riddle is two stories in one, to confused the readers.

it is like two story on top of each other, Pealing the layers and all comes clear

Question

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Answer: two power groups that supposed to build the the Ritz Carloton but did not build it.

Who are they?




Don't know the answer yet...I will research for you...I got the feeling that Simian and Shango did not agree with each other on several occasions.  Please, take the time to explain this to me or at the least tell me if I have your theory right so far?  Please.

1. Natalee was chosen by Paulus to help provide money to save his son in a gambling debt.
2. Beth knew this from the beginning.
3. Lorenzo is the 5th suspect.  He is the boyfriend from earlier in the week and it was his party they took Natalee to.
4. Joran delivered her and then waited outside.  The Kalpoes are mainly innocent in all this.
5. They brought a dead Natalee out to Joran and he was left with what to do with her.
6.  Lorenzo is also dirty hand.
7. Guido was the casino worker that needed to be off from work to go to this party.
8.Joran somehow drove with a dead Natalee to this apartment and met around a pool trying to decide what to do.
9. Natalee was dumped in the pond at Montana, near Joran's house.
10. Joran was not responsible for Natalee's death only the disposal of the body.
11. Paulus was really a judge and he was the law as far as being able to manipulate things.
12. The Aruban Government has covered for Paulus in order to get money.
13. Karen Janssen was posting here on SM trying to tell us things without us knowing who she was.
14. Someone fled to the USA..I thought it was Sander at first, but now I am not sure.
15. The USA and Aruba are in this together because of the mob.
16. The plan to take Natalee was orchestrated by the first guy..I am assuming you mean Lorenzo or Guido..not sure, but then Joran messed it all up somehow.
17. J2K were paid to keep quiet.
18. Paulus was gambling and got into trouble in the casino and the mob wanted Joran.
19. Paulus went to Holland to get money to pay off his debt with no luck.
20. Debt needed to be paid within 10 days.
21. The mob is holding Joran and Paulus takes Natalee as a bargaining chip with the mob because she is an American citizen.
22.  The casino owner paid for the debt and then Paulus is left holding Natalee.
23. They bugged the houses to insure no one talked about this plan.
24. The guilty person got away and they moved Natalee's body to the house in Savaneta which now has a paved road and a white pickup truck.
25. Joran is not responsible and neither are the Kalpoes.

Please correct my mistakes that I have tried to glean from your posts.  Thanks.
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« Reply #1291 on: January 26, 2008, 07:31:36 PM »

Caps here a story from the FP about Ritz Carlton.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/07/11/ritz-carlton-to-aruba-no-incentives-no-deal-who-calls-the-shots-in-aruba/
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« Reply #1292 on: January 26, 2008, 07:32:14 PM »

Klaasend: or LALA

This riddle is two stories in one, to confused the readers.

it is like two story on top of each other, Pealing the layers and all comes clear

Question

Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles

Answer: two power groups that supposed to build the the Ritz Carloton but did not build it.

Who are they?





"His Lordship's presence guarantees a trio"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m7WbQa_qDE
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« Reply #1293 on: January 26, 2008, 07:34:48 PM »

A little more abut the Ritz Carlton.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2007/01/buhbye_ritz_car.html

http://www.vacationclub.com/corporate/corporateHistory.jsp
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« Reply #1294 on: January 26, 2008, 08:18:05 PM »

Tylergal
Is this what you meant about Absolam yesterday? WOW! 

http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/homemake/biblest-usurper.htm

King David loved Absalom in spite of the fact that Absalom had not been a loyal son to him. When Absalom was killed in battle, this is what happened:

And the king was much moved, and went up to the chamber over the gate, and wept: and as he went, thus he said, O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! would God I had died for thee, O Absalom, my son, my son!




This is too weird...popped in to say hi to BT and say that I thought Tyler was saying something about layers as is referenced in the Wiki of thei and blow me down Caps next post is about pealing of the layers!
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« Reply #1295 on: January 26, 2008, 08:27:40 PM »

Caps...Sorry another question....is there an Albert who worked at the Red Sail with Koen? TIA...


Sorry....this question should have been for jackb.....


Lala's...please check your mail....



From Jack B:  I do not know, but seems like there was an AB questioned at some point during the first few weeks or so of the investigation.  A dude, seems like with glasses, late twenties.  Looked like he would be some type businessman.  J/b

Thanks jackb....was trying to find out about Albert Vrolijk, the guy that found the panties. I read the other day that one worked at the Red Sail, but this guy was a DJ and still is. Common name, but if one worked at Red Sail he would know Koen for sure. Interesting about A.B. I hadn't seen that...Thanks!
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« Reply #1296 on: January 26, 2008, 08:29:54 PM »

Is this Anna’s other Lorenzo?

 http://bfnbackup.16.forumer.com/a/hiram-vrolijk-friend-of-joran_post77.html


GrannyToad- 05-27-2006

Why does it matter who this boy is? He isn't even close to being one of the suspects. We never know if or which of Joran's pals were involved in what way with Natalee being disappeared, ladytiger. You have your personal interests, at BFN we want Natalee found or to learn how she was Disappeared. that doesn't mean that we have to discuss every distrant friend or every kid that was on the same school as a suspect. There are already way too much suspects to begin with. Discussing every person on the island in Joran's age group is not productive IMHO. ‘Ya spose? I knew about Guido a couple months before his name came up. Oh yeah, really last June except that Tito made a mistake and referred to him as Lorenzo. There is another Lorenzo, Wever, at that casino so I understand the mistake if Tito didn't know either well. So if in cases like Guido's and Koen's whom I'd also identified before they hit the blogs, it's good to know. Are there more to know, besides Freddy, Jaime, Steve Croes, the Kalpoe brothers ... ?’


GrannyToad- 05-27-2006

Ya spose? I knew about Guido a couple months before his name came up. Oh yeah, really last June except that Tito made a mistake and referred to him as Lorenzo. There is another Lorenzo, Wever, at that casino so I understand the mistake if Tito didn't know either well. So if in cases like Guido's and Koen's whom I'd also identified before they hit the blogs, it's good to know. Are there more to know, besides Freddy, Jaime, Steve Croes, the Kalpoe brothers ... ? Yes, I spose so. Guido may have been named in this investigation but, as his arrest and subsequent release show, that does not mean he had anything to do with this case. Being the friend of a suspect might bring closer scrutiny on an individual but is not the same as being a suspect or having his/her good name dragged through the dirt. That is one of the reasons why dutch media never release the names of suspects and witnesses. Their privacy needs to be protected. "dragged through the dirt". Get this: Joran's US attorney stated the other evening that Guido was with Joran until 2 AM the night of May 30/31. Charles Croes' group identified Deepak's car at the vdSloot's about 2AM. So. Was Guido also at that first alibi-concoction / legal advice meeting with Paul, Joran, and the Kalpoes that night? 2-3 hours later Joran did his V2 Show&Tell Presentation of the "dropped at her hotel" version for the victim's family, friends, US government agent, and Aruban locals. 10 witnesses in all. And 2 polis. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain. Move along. Nothing going on here.





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« Reply #1297 on: January 26, 2008, 08:59:46 PM »

Caps...Sorry another question....is there an Albert who worked at the Red Sail with Koen? TIA...


Sorry....this question should have been for jackb.....


Lala's...please check your mail....



From Jack B:  I do not know, but seems like there was an AB questioned at some point during the first few weeks or so of the investigation.  A dude, seems like with glasses, late twenties.  Looked like he would be some type businessman.  J/b

Thanks jackb....was trying to find out about Albert Vrolijk, the guy that found the panties. I read the other day that one worked at the Red Sail, but this guy was a DJ and still is. Common name, but if one worked at Red Sail he would know Koen for sure. Interesting about A.B. I hadn't seen that...Thanks!

Mum and Jack

Not sure bu thought at one time this had been resolved.  Think it was another one of those intial/misspelled name screw up.  AB= Aaron (Aram) Batzis= Freddy.

Can't swear it but that's what I remember.

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« Reply #1298 on: January 26, 2008, 09:39:45 PM »


Klassend:

Who did make the poster that says kidnapped. Who ever made the poster is the kidnapper

need an answer to put to a name

it is in the riddle
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« Reply #1299 on: January 26, 2008, 09:45:29 PM »

Think I found my blue-eyed Dutchboy with the scratches and of course his phone was stolen...now let's see if the sitemeter goes crazy...LOL

: Mon May 22, 2006 1:22 am    Post subject:  from hyscience 

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You're welcome Harry. It has been interesting to read around and I may have just gotten more confused than clarified. I'm going to bed now. You and me seem to be the only one's up late tonight and commenting.

There seem to be enough folks speculating about three people that my guess is there will be if it has not happened already. I think your original assessment that this Wever arrest is more than a suspect, perhaps a real charge, is likely accurate. The only reason I might guess that it may not be is the interview with Joe T >> I just didn't get the impression that he was convinced since he stressed they had known about him since the beginning.

One post somewhere said that Weaver worked the casino the night Natalee disappeared, my impression was for a few hours after her disappearance, and that others who worked with him thought he acted nervous (that wasn't their adjective, but it was similar), then he abruptly quit after her disappearance and moved to Holland. It is claimed by some he had scratches and bruises after here disappearance, but some were disputing this. He and Joran also were alleged to have played tennis the afternoon after Natalee disappeared.

I did find over at Refugees that someone seems to think these below are the three people being arrested. They say that Guido Wever was arrested last Wed and is the subject of the Dutch news interview and the one that Aruba wants to come back to be charged,that his attorney will fight this. One person said this Wever is not Lorenzo, but I am not sure about that. One said that Wever is not his Dutch last name, but his Dutch name does not exist in Aruba so he is called Wever - I have no idea is this is accurate and did not see this posted but once.

There is some speculation that the Columbian that some claim to have been arrested in Aruba may be the famous Jossy witness gardener.

I'll just be tyou will have it all sorted out by Friday. Here are the three:


1. Guido Wever who use to work at the Excelcior Casino as "dealer", who use to play tennis at the Aruba Raquet club, and who is the son of a political party's leader, Robert Wever, was detained in the Netherlands.

2. Sander G. is the kid in school in Aruba that left before his finals and flew to Holland last week and now is detained in the Netherlands. (Some speculated that he is Koen's younger brother, but don't know if this is accurate.)

Carlos Alberto Penata Ramos is a Colombian man who was detained in Aruba. (Some speculated that he also is Jossy's gardener witness.)


 
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