SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Lala's....I was looking for a statement as to why Joran 'shut down' on the 22nd and found on 6/24 he refused to talk and go with police as he said Anita was coming to see him at 2pm. He would not talk until Paulus was released and also until he received word from Carlos.

Anyways...check out the second statement...and what he did talk about after he apparently met with Anita and received word from Carlos.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

[Buckeye]

Buckeye...I think you posted the link to the Lions....well it was there on Saturday and when I went back last night and rechecked this morning...it is an error page...wh would have thought after all this time...I think I will change my name to coincidence!!!


And Dompig now has a brand new business after he was supposedly fired.

Mum
Not me...maybe jackb....gotta go.

[jackb]

texasmom....I was going to ask Buckeye for the link to the Wever' family tree and saw your post on the other thread. LOL

Maybe Lorenzo/David is Guido's grandpa?

Have picture.  Youngish about mid to late twenties, maybe.  Probably about 30 now.
Supposed to be friends with Jerry Strawberry who is supposed to be Cheremy Croes and Quincy?  Went to colligo in Aruba.  Lives in Netherlands.  Supposed to be homo.
Have picture.  Short hair, flat top. Dark eyes, maybe even dark blue appears they could be, nice looking, not fat, perhaps healthy looking. Nicely dressed, very neat.  Had on red shirt.

[Anna]

CapsLockWizard,

So Yellowhammer does not refer to the bird that is the official bird of the State of Alabama as some of us had always thought but mean Yellow HUMMER, the car?

How did you determine there was only one of those in Aruba in 2005?

Is there a way to search the vehicle registrations?  I have always wanted to be able to do that and look for certain car registrations.

Thanks for any info on how to do this.

Anna

[jackb]

Lala's....I was looking for a statement as to why Joran 'shut down' on the 22nd and found on 6/24 he refused to talk and go with police as he said Anita was coming to see him at 2pm. He would not talk until Paulus was released and also until he received word from Carlos.

Anyways...check out the second statement...and what he did talk about after he apparently met with Anita and received word from Carlos.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

Sent pic to Klaas at hotmail add of who is supposed to be David Wever.    j/b

[MumInOhio]

texasmom....I was going to ask Buckeye for the link to the Wever' family tree and saw your post on the other thread. LOL

Maybe Lorenzo/David is Guido's grandpa?

Have picture.  Youngish about mid to late twenties, maybe.  Probably about 30 now.
Supposed to be friends with Jerry Strawberry who is supposed to be Cheremy Croes and Quincy?  Went to colligo in Aruba.  Lives in Netherlands.  Supposed to be homo.
Have picture.  Short hair, flat top. Dark eyes, maybe even dark blue appears they could be, nice looking, not fat, perhaps healthy looking. Nicely dressed, very neat.  Had on red shirt.

Thanks jackb...So the Lorenzo 'David' Wever that died is not the same Lorenzo Wever!

Anna...if you are still here...you posted once that there was two Lorenzo's...is this the other one?  TIA...and yes I am surprised about the hummer. On the lighter side ...I believe 'King' LeBron James drives a yellow one! LOL

[MumInOhio]

Lala's....I was looking for a statement as to why Joran 'shut down' on the 22nd and found on 6/24 he refused to talk and go with police as he said Anita was coming to see him at 2pm. He would not talk until Paulus was released and also until he received word from Carlos.

Anyways...check out the second statement...and what he did talk about after he apparently met with Anita and received word from Carlos.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

Sent pic to Klaas at hotmail add of who is supposed to be David Wever.    j/b

Thanks again...I am getting totally confused between David and Lorenzo ...LOL..I think I'll make some more coffee!

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...I bet you have probably seen this from 5/16/2006.. LOL

http://therealarubatruth.blogspot.com/2006/05/interesting-rumors.html

I'm straight on your David Wever now jackb...I hope Klaas will post that pic.

Still interested in my David....from Joran's book and I am working on him.

[jackb]

Lala's... this is the day Joran refused to talk and I cannot remember what his reason was. Something to do with Paulus, maybe to talk to his lawyer? and later on he changes his story, again. Is this the story that Satish picked him up? I think it was. So what does that have to do with Paulus being arrested. Some posters trying to put the blame on 2K though.

A couple of interesting posts by Lucy...the one about 'are you there' and a few minutes later Simian posts. Also the one about the 5th suspect....'he was filming himself'. Is thes a Brough connection to Lorenzo or my best bud Freddy?

That 'whole time' thing still bugs me.....


Still here just trying to take it all in....LOL

KARL PENHAUL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Bill, three young men have been arrested in connection with the investigation for the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. As we speak, their homes are being searched for clues and any evidence that prosecutors can glean.

The island's chief prosecutor, Karen Janssen, has told me that the three men who are now arrested are the three men last seen in Natalee Holloway's company. Those are the three men with whom she left the Carlos and Charlie's Mexican bar in the wee small hours of the Monday when she disappeared. That then takes the note to five the total of people now arrested in this case over the weekend. Of course, those two other suspects, two security guards who were arrested and who yesterday have been detained for further eight days -- Bill.

HEMMER: Karl, what's the relationship between the three men picked up last night and the two men in court yesterday?

PENHAUL: Defense attorneys say there's absolutely no relationship between the group at all, that the group of two arrested over the weekend do not know the group of three now arrested. That, though, is obviously a key relationship which the police and prosecutors will be closely looking at. We do, of course, know that the three young men arrested this morning are friends. They do know one another, and they had been at Charlie and Carlos' bar.

HEMMER: Karl Penhaul watching that story in Aruba with breaking news. Again, to repeat, three others taken into custody overnight in Aruba, three young men who were seen at that bar with Natalee Holloway more than a week ago. So as Karl watches that in Aruba, we'll watch it here. More news when we get it.

Aired June 9, 2005 - 07:0 ET    Karl Penhaul is in Aruba on the phone now with the latest



The island's chief prosecutor, Karen Janssen, has told me that the three men who are now arrested are the three men last seen in Natalee Holloway's company. Those are the three men with whom she left the Carlos and Charlie's Mexican bar in the wee small hours of the Monday when she disappeared. That then takes the note to five the total of people now arrested in this case over the weekend. Of course, those two other suspects, two security guards who were arrested and who yesterday have been detained for further eight days -- Bill.

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If they are not counting the security guards, wouldn't that put Guido next in line or GVC, whichever one was arrested first.  I believe it was Guido.  (his name sounds Italian to me, however he lives in NL, or did.   j/b

[2NJSons_Mom]

Mum, saw your post about the lions link and found I could get it to work by finding the cached version...not sure if this will work, now, but I was just looking at it.

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

[MumInOhio]

jackb...I have been going on GVC arrested 4/15/2006 and Guido May 2006..though Guido was interviewed really early in June 3 times. Do you have more info that either was detained in 2005.  TIA

Of course Freddy was detained it appears 'early', but of course it was not related to Natalee!

Jossy says early and Marianne Croes said the 9th.of June. I made a long post on Freddy back on page 51 or 52 that explains. Again, nothing sticks to Freddy!

[Bearlyhere]

Lala's....I was looking for a statement as to why Joran 'shut down' on the 22nd and found on 6/24 he refused to talk and go with police as he said Anita was coming to see him at 2pm. He would not talk until Paulus was released and also until he received word from Carlos.

Anyways...check out the second statement...and what he did talk about after he apparently met with Anita and received word from Carlos.

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm

Well then, I guess talking to his Mom about underwear color is pretty mild. 


This casual "anything goes" attitude towards sex is beyond my comprehension.  Thank God the 12 year old's parent was vigilant.


Why anyone would let their daughter (or son) date him is beyond crazy.  That any woman or man would want to subject themselves to that kind of disregard as a person is more than sad.  How must you feel about yourself to be used like this?  How must you feel about yourself to act like this?   

That Big Momma knows about this and is still okay with it makes me sick.
 

Mum, I was looking for you last night.  I wanted to apologize to you for cutting out so quickly yesterday.  Right before I posted I saw the time and realized I should have been off the computer 10 minutes before.  Sorry.

[MumInOhio]

Mum, saw your post about the lions link and found I could get it to work by finding the cached version...not sure if this will work, now, but I was just looking at it.

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thanks 2NJ...will see if I can find the cached one as the link won't work...would really like those names as a couple jumped out at me. One being Max Arends' daddy who scubajap said was really surprised when Max' name came up.

[jackb]

The "hand" reference is about Freddy. He was left out of that picture when the media first began to use it.  I assume because he had not been mentioned in connection with the case at the time.

Is that a way of saying the hand (Freddy) is dirty?

Also:  GCV could have been called dirty hand instead of "Dirty Harry" the tv cop (good guy) perhaps as an inside joke among friends, as GVC had police powers but used drugs, and even sold them according to the blogs.       jack/b

 

[MumInOhio]

Mum, saw your post about the lions link and found I could get it to work by finding the cached version...not sure if this will work, now, but I was just looking at it.

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thanks 2NJ...will see if I can find the cached one as the link won't work...would really like those names as a couple jumped out at me. One being Max Arends' daddy who scubajap said was really surprised when Max' name came up.

Strange I can't open any of the links not even the one for 2007 and 2008. What the heck!!!

[MumInOhio]

The "hand" reference is about Freddy. He was left out of that picture when the media first began to use it.  I assume because he had not been mentioned in connection with the case at the time.

Is that a way of saying the hand (Freddy) is dirty?

Also:  GCV could have been called dirty hand instead of "Dirty Harry" the tv cop (good guy) perhaps as an inside joke among friends, as GVC had police powers but used drugs, and even sold them according to the blogs.       jack/b

 

jackb...I love the way you think...LOL...thanks again for all the info....am I correct that Mirian brings up the hand...TIA...where's Lala's?


Bearlyhere...I am bearlyhere of an evening...Morning Monkey...LOL

[2NJSons_Mom]

Mum, saw your post about the lions link and found I could get it to work by finding the cached version...not sure if this will work, now, but I was just looking at it.

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thanks 2NJ...will see if I can find the cached one as the link won't work...would really like those names as a couple jumped out at me. One being Max Arends' daddy who scubajap said was really surprised when Max' name came up.

Strange I can't open any of the links not even the one for 2007 and 2008. What the heck!!!

Initially, I found the same...404 error or something similar.  Then, I went back and used the cached link and eventually found the page that was posted the other day...with some pictures missing, as they were the other day...here's a copy/paste of the names.

Board of Directors 2005-2006

 President   Clemente "Mike" Lampe
 Imm. Past President   Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
 1st Vice-President   Frank Croes
 2nd Vice-President   John J. P. de Vries
 3rd-Vice President   Ludwig Jansen
 Secretary   Omar Tromp
 Treasurer   Jaime Laclé
 Lion Tamer   Adriaan J. Arendsz
 Tail Twister   Maiky L. Croes
 Director 2 yrs.   Marlon Croes
 Director 2 yrs.   Jaime A. Mata
 Director 1 yrs.   Tendo Boekhoudt
 Director 1 yrs.   Derwin Alders
 Director Membership   Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
 Leo Advisor   Jaime O. Donata
 
Back to Baord of Directors 2005-2006
 

[MumInOhio]

Mum, saw your post about the lions link and found I could get it to work by finding the cached version...not sure if this will work, now, but I was just looking at it.

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thanks 2NJ...will see if I can find the cached one as the link won't work...would really like those names as a couple jumped out at me. One being Max Arends' daddy who scubajap said was really surprised when Max' name came up.

Strange I can't open any of the links not even the one for 2007 and 2008. What the heck!!!

Initially, I found the same...404 error or something similar.  Then, I went back and used the cached link and eventually found the page that was posted the other day...with some pictures missing, as they were the other day...here's a copy/paste of the names.

Board of Directors 2005-2006

 President   Clemente "Mike" Lampe
 Imm. Past President   Maximiliano F. "Bibi" Arends
 1st Vice-President   Frank Croes
 2nd Vice-President   John J. P. de Vries
 3rd-Vice President   Ludwig Jansen
 Secretary   Omar Tromp
 Treasurer   Jaime Laclé
 Lion Tamer   Adriaan J. Arendsz
 Tail Twister   Maiky L. Croes
 Director 2 yrs.   Marlon Croes
 Director 2 yrs.   Jaime A. Mata
 Director 1 yrs.   Tendo Boekhoudt
 Director 1 yrs.   Derwin Alders
 Director Membership   Modesto I. "Dede" Ruiz
 Leo Advisor   Jaime O. Donata
 
Back to Baord of Directors 2005-2006
 

Thanks again...that was what I wanted, but it is strange that none of the links open!

[Bearlyhere]

Mum, saw your post about the lions link and found I could get it to work by finding the cached version...not sure if this will work, now, but I was just looking at it.

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

Thanks 2NJ...will see if I can find the cached one as the link won't work...would really like those names as a couple jumped out at me. One being Max Arends' daddy who scubajap said was really surprised when Max' name came up.

Strange I can't open any of the links not even the one for 2007 and 2008. What the heck!!!

Strange things are going on around here this morning.

I just had an "out of cage experience" myself.  Suddenly the cage was shaking, the room went dark and I was thrown into cyberspace.  Glad to be back safely in the cage.

 

[Bearlyhere]

Other things from Joran's statememt that make me go hmmm...

That Joran could hurt his Dad by what he said. 

Joran wanted to wait until his father made a statement before he made one.

That it appears that Joran feels he has the power to force his father's release...


   

Mum, what stood out to you?