SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Buckeye]

In some instances maze could refer to the internet.

We feel that there are many involved in the coverup, think that Simian & some of the other co conspirator's could have utilized a popular public message board to exchange information fearing phone taps & records.  Shango I always felt was a misinformation poster.

So with a full blown coverup taking place a safe way to communicate among persons involved would have been necessary, no way were then these persons seen speaking with each other alone in a suspicious manner, tracable by wired recordings, no out of ordinary visits to homes.  A reliable manner for persons involved, who worked for various departments & were parents to communicate. 

We now know that the location of an ISP does not necessarily indicate a poster's location.  There is equipment out there, think they are called ghosts, that change ISP's or go through other ISP's.

The intention was NEVER to DISCLOSE the location of Natalee, think it was always to communicate under cover & safely.  Could indicate information thus disclosed allowing the next story to be manufactured for the next visit to JVDStoolscum=the story teller, how many times were the stories changed?

This makes sense.

Wasn't there a lot of talk about the power of the ping and then Simian was gone..

[Buckeye]

Posted by Pita on previous Natalee thread:

scubajap
Posted: Sat Oct 28th, 2006 06:58 pm Quote Reply

This is not the poster printed before she left for Aruba. The poster printed before she left said "Kidnapped" but Jan v/d Stratten would not allow her to put those up, because no ransom demand was made. This is the first poster that went up, but it was printed in Aruba by Pro Graphics that Tuesday.

Just setting things straight. What she arrived with in Aruba said "Kidnapped"

Hi Loesje!

Last edited on Sat Oct 28th, 2006 07:00 pm by scubajap


I know scuba was on RWV. Is this the same loesge...but with a different spelling??

[bleachedblack]

Government elections were held September 23 2005 in Aruba. Oduber was reelected. Does this fit? Oduber =Arawak King

The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.




http://tinyurl.com/389beu

Well, the previous editor of Aruba Today was an Oduber and he owns the Solo whatever paper.  I could see him powerful enough to control media and disinformation....at least try to until the US media started telling us "the not ready for prime time island" was a bit shady. 

Lots of Odubers, Arubian equivalent of Smith, just don't quite feel  anyone one of them would have the power of a king as in Shango's carefully worded prose as Nelson.

[klaasend]

Gunslinger  if still around...

Do you remember much about loesge?  Think she was on more than one board.

Gunslinger - Always around

If I had time, I would research the name 'loesge'.  I think it may be a letter jumble (jmho).  A lot of people dismissed the idea, not me.  To me, this fits with what you guys are discussing.

This person seemed to know more than the average.  Not sure about 'other' boards, as I had sought another path by that time.

GS:

Had wondered the same.....now, what language?!

There was a Loesje posting at RWV that appears to be from the Netherlands.  Maybe just a coincidence.

[jackb]

Capslock translation:

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the NEWS and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED

Actual Shango riddle:
Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED


Please explain how you came up with the NEWS as the MUSIC?  How does follow the music translate into follow the news?  Did you mean Julia or are you referring to Jossy Mansur also?  I think those two are the owners of the news around Aruba and if you mean real news I would think you mean Jossy...never read much that came from Julia's papers but fluff pieces and tall tales.

What does "Mary who was not a virgin" mean  in your context? Who are the DiceMen?  Shango capitalized them so is that significant? What does "rolled" mean in your context of the riddle?  I am sure you think these are minor things in the grand scheme, but they need to be answered in order to actually solve the riddle...well to me anyway. 

I have often wondered, since ice is delivered a lot on that island if they used an ICE truck to get her out of the maze.  The, perhaps corridors of some hotel that had hidden entrances to the outside, perhaps tunneling into caves that would hold private parties, etc.  Maybe she was in the wrong place and saw someone coming out or going in earlier in the week.  If the Cromvoirts had video equipment in place, there had to be walls and attics.  Perhaps they were showing a picture of her in various stages of dress in Depak's car and she wanted out and they stopped as she was kicking up a fuss and took off again forcing her with them.  It is my believ that she never went with them willingly.  They used the cops to help intimidate her into being more submissive.  There are several security officials and cops who have seemed to make at least myself suspicious with their behavior.  She could have been threatened with jail and said she left without paying the hotel or wherever for some charges.  Those people are dispicable what they have allowed to happen to that girl and her family.  That aside, she could have told the police and they put her in jail.  I would not put anything passed them.        j/b

[CapsLockWizard]

I am back, now that the wisperers stop fly in over my family hous...all kinds of touch came to mind...

move again.

Monkeys I believe that we should break the message to Dave and Beth before antone runs wild with it.

thats why I did not post anything yet,

Wat we need is some large water pumps. to do the job.

[klaasend]

CapsLock - I agree.  No need to show your hand until it's at least checked out. 

[CapsLockWizard]

Lets start preparing for a big case...all doc need to be safeguarded....photos, reference, research papers etc...concentrate on a case of conspiracy against an Nation Court House....The DUTCH LAW AND ITS JUDGES...


 

[Lala'sMom]

Lets start preparing for a big case...all doc need to be safeguarded....photos, reference, research papers etc...concentrate on a case of conspiracy against an Nation Court House....The DUTCH LAW AND ITS JUDGES...


 

What is safer than multiple internet places with the information out in the public so that it can't be tampered with?  I must be missing something here.

[Pita]

jackb...have a look at the link up towards the top of the long post and see if that is the same one.....I snagged your post from the other thread....thanks

quote jackb.....

David Wever, it has been said is Guido's big brother.  There seems to be an abundance of big brother sets here.  As for the accuracy of him being Guids's bog brother.  I do not know.  The picture where the truck is does not look like David W., unless it is an older picture.    Jack B

The picture upon enhancing looks more like Koen G. and the "boy" appears to actually be a girl.  The enhancements faded the thin-line-like beard on the other young looking boy, but he has no break in the bottom half of his clothes that indicates slacks (pants or whatever.)  The light on who I am saying could be Koen appears to be glasses, but maybe not.  If so, I do not recall seeing him in a pair.  The picture has, no doubt been messed around until it is really hard to tell who it is.  I do believe I have seen Koen's picture in a pink-like shirt.  This really is a wierd and wild bunch that is being dealt with here.  The picture, if a boy with Koen, looks like (a bit) GVC, but when enhanced has NH features, but the hair is tucked up or done over with some pixels to blend it in.  Maybe some of you can do something with it.  It is on my list to "work on," but getting to it is another matter.   

Thanks jackb....did you go to that hi5 whatever link back on the last page...I think there was 13 pictures.

Here's a current picture of David Wever from hi5.   IIRC, on his old tickle profile (no longer available,) his sexual orientation was homosexual.   This is who I believe was said to be Guido's brother.  He lives in the Netherlands, but is moving back to Aruba in February according to his hi5 profile.



http://www.hi5.com/friend/610939--David--Profile-html

[Lala'sMom]

.......from whom are we hiding this valuable knowledge? I doubt there are subjects/speculation/information that hasn't already been talked about in the past. At least in here some of the information is committed to print and hence record. MOO

Looks like we finally have a live one here BB 

I have to re-read this thread again to try and digest a lot of the new theories posted in my recent absence as it appears those garnered in the past two and a half years have now gone base over apex, but my first question is :
Shango and Simian posted in English so why is there a need to translate perfectly understandable English words into other words that have a totally different meaning eg. "music" altered to "news"?

With apologies to the original author :

Old King Cole was a merry old soul,
And a merry old soul was he;
He called for his pipe, he called for his glass,
And he called for his riddlers three.

Every riddler he had a fine riddle,
And a very fine riddle had he;
Twee-tweedle-dee, tweedle-dee, went the riddlers.
Oh, there's none so rare as can compare
With King Cole and his riddlers three!

Riddlers three :  Shango, Simian and Shonky.

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Who's Shonky? 

[Lala'sMom]

And how is this guy connected?  I am lost.

[MumInOhio]

And how is this guy connected?  I am lost.

LOL...did you not see your reading assignment this morning?

I was trying to put the Lorenzo/David/Guido Wever thing to rest. And this is David Wever.

Nice looking guy...I hope he doesn't have anything to do with this.

[CapsLockWizard]

.......from whom are we hiding this valuable knowledge? I doubt there are subjects/speculation/information that hasn't already been talked about in the past. At least in here some of the information is committed to print and hence record. MOO

Looks like we finally have a live one here BB 

I have to re-read this thread again to try and digest a lot of the new theories posted in my recent absence as it appears those garnered in the past two and a half years have now gone base over apex, but my first question is :
Shango and Simian posted in English so why is there a need to translate perfectly understandable English words into other words that have a totally different meaning eg. "music" altered to "news"?

With apologies to the original author :

Old King Cole was a merry old soul,
And a merry old soul was he;
He called for his pipe, he called for his glass,
And he called for his riddlers three.

Every riddler he had a fine riddle,
And a very fine riddle had he;
Twee-tweedle-dee, tweedle-dee, went the riddlers.
Oh, there's none so rare as can compare
With King Cole and his riddlers three!

Riddlers three :  Shango, Simian and Shonky.

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Who's Shonky? 

The way Shango Riddle is written is not simple....He uses a technique morphing of two diffrent stories but with the same persons has two meaning. For  the not trained eyes, the word can be confusing. it can make you mind go crazy but you have to start first looking to similarties in the text and then look the format they are written and third pass is to a little knowledge of the word he use , and where is it come from, and used for...For a person that only speak 1 language, you will never solve it but if you can handle let say 6 or 7 languages, you can decipher it

E.G. What is Arawak

and what is a Simian

[MumInOhio]

Caps....what did he go search for if not Natalee? TIA

[Helen Back]

Caps....what did he go search for if not Natalee? TIA

the video

[Lala'sMom]

And how is this guy connected?  I am lost.

LOL...did you not see your reading assignment this morning?

I was trying to put the Lorenzo/David/Guido Wever thing to rest. And this is David Wever.

Nice looking guy...I hope he doesn't have anything to do with this.

No teacher, I didn't...I guess I have write...I will read my assignments...20 times now.

[Lala'sMom]

I thought Shango was written in English? 

[CapsLockWizard]

he went to search for the owner of the Yellow Hammer

[bleachedblack]

CapsLockWizard wrote;

The way Shango Riddle is written is not simple....He uses a technique morphing of two diffrent stories but with the same persons has two meaning. For  the not trained eyes, the word can be confusing. it can make you mind go crazy but you have to start first looking to similarties in the text and then look the format they are written and third pass is to a little knowledge of the word he use , and where is it come from, and used for...For a person that only speak 1 language, you will never solve it but if you can handle let say 6 or 7 languages, you can decipher it

E.G. What is Arawak

and what is a Simian

Caps, I hear you on this. I personally have always felt that Shango knew what happened and with extensive education and literacy wrote the passages that he did, as they occurred and that is key in this IMO. He did not have the luxury of time as did say Homer writing the Iliad. His posts were relatively rapid in succession, and IMO hardly allowed for "same persons having two meaning" or multilinguistic meanings to words. I just think it is important not to read more into the passages than was meant to be there originally. Over time more about the case has become known and then and only then do we look back and say "Ah ha I am sure Shango was trying to say.......".  Just as in criminology one has to take care not to fit the crime to the clues...but rather have the clues solve the crime, so goes Shango.