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« Reply #1560 on: January 30, 2008, 02:24:49 PM »

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'G'=van Gijn...Interesting. I hadn't considered that. I do believe there is a distinct difference between van Rijn and van Gijn and some one has led us down the garden path. Do you remember the picture that Klaas posted with a guy, maybe Paulus, a woman and maybe Lorenzo?  Nothing like the arrest pictures we saw from last year

Do you mean the "legs" picture?  Do you mean the picture which was discussed for so long about how many legs did one see in the photo? The pic you mention where the three are walking down a path or walkway or something with their faces gazing down at the ground sorta? I remember that pic........
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« Reply #1561 on: January 30, 2008, 02:33:00 PM »

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'G'=van Gijn...Interesting. I hadn't considered that. I do believe there is a distinct difference between van Rijn and van Gijn and some one has led us down the garden path. Do you remember the picture that Klaas posted with a guy, maybe Paulus, a woman and maybe Lorenzo?  Nothing like the arrest pictures we saw from last year

Do you mean the "legs" picture?  Do you mean the picture which was discussed for so long about how many legs did one see in the photo? The pic you mention where the three are walking down a path or walkway or something with their faces gazing down at the ground sorta? I remember that pic........

That's the one....I don't think that guy looked anything like the creep in the arrest pictures. That guy was cleancut looking the arrest guy looks like a sleezeball and definately not someone that Natalee would look twice at. Actually he'd probably have scared the heck out of her!
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« Reply #1562 on: January 30, 2008, 02:42:24 PM »

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'G'=van Gijn...Interesting. I hadn't considered that. I do believe there is a distinct difference between van Rijn and van Gijn and some one has led us down the garden path. Do you remember the picture that Klaas posted with a guy, maybe Paulus, a woman and maybe Lorenzo?  Nothing like the arrest pictures we saw from last year

Do you mean the "legs" picture?  Do you mean the picture which was discussed for so long about how many legs did one see in the photo? The pic you mention where the three are walking down a path or walkway or something with their faces gazing down at the ground sorta? I remember that pic........

That's the one....I don't think that guy looked anything like the creep in the arrest pictures. That guy was cleancut looking the arrest guy looks like a sleezeball and definately not someone that Natalee would look twice at. Actually he'd probably have scared the heck out of her!

I don't think so either.
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« Reply #1563 on: January 30, 2008, 02:46:45 PM »


So I wonder which one is the real Lorenzo van Gijn/Rijn?

Our friend Tito appears to be the main source of the confusion concerning Lorenzo/David/Guido Wever and also the second arrest in The Netherlands that apparently didn’t happen. Jossy says that it was not Guido that had the scratches, but the other ‘unidentified’ person.

Someone needs to ask Jossy about Lorenzo van Gijn/Rijn and about Freddy’s detainment of June 9th. Though he did say that Freddy was detained early and that he was told that it was not related.

Any detainment on June 9th has to be related IMO.


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« Reply #1564 on: January 30, 2008, 03:14:23 PM »

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

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My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.”
Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
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« Reply #1565 on: January 30, 2008, 03:28:16 PM »

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

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on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am

My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.”
Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!



I seem to remember a few papers there running ads selling escort services, but can't say for sure which ones. Ms. Wever however is correct about ArubaToday, as there is no question in my mind what they are selling on page B14

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3
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« Reply #1566 on: January 30, 2008, 03:29:53 PM »

Don't know if this is really Margaret Wever but since The News and UPI carried the same address thought I would bring this over from the FP.

margaret wever
on January 30th, 2008 10:00 am

My newspaper THE NEWS HAS NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACED AND WILL NEVER KNOWINGLY PLACE escort and prostitution ads!!! It has been our policy since the paper was established in 1951. We have occasionally even checked up ourselves on “suspicious ads.”
Plus, I know for a fact that also Mr. Jossy Mansur will not place these ads in his Aruba Daily, although they did let one slip in a few years ago, but soon discontinued it.
Since there are three free English newspapers on Aruba, and two do not place escort and prostitution ads, this article should have stated that one newspaper is the one doing this (Aruba Today)!!!
Thank you.
Prayers for Natalee, Beth and Matt!



I seem to remember a few papers there running ads selling escort services, but can't say for sure which ones. Ms. Wever however is correct about ArubaToday, as there is no question in my mind what they are selling on page B14

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

go to newspaper local and turn the pages. Sorry Klaas for the OT didn't realize i was in S+S thread
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« Reply #1567 on: January 30, 2008, 07:35:59 PM »

GVC's nickname was "G" or "Gee". We saw it listed that way in some photos posted by a tourist who had met him at a bar.

The only "yellow hummer" I am familiar with was driven by Vadir van Loen or van Loon
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« Reply #1568 on: January 30, 2008, 07:41:20 PM »

GVC's nickname was "G" or "Gee". We saw it listed that way in some photos posted by a tourist who had met him at a bar.

The only "yellow hummer" I am familiar with was driven by Vadir van Loen or van Loon

I don't think Vadir drives a hummer, I think it's a jeep.
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« Reply #1569 on: January 30, 2008, 09:09:29 PM »

Probably is a jeep Klaas. All I know is it is YELLOW
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« Reply #1570 on: January 30, 2008, 09:43:45 PM »

GVC....'G'... but his Daddy is not a Judge or a lawyer...still could be DirtyHand....I wonder where they are?


Lawyers and Judges...van Loon....van Gijn...van der Sloot....Wever
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« Reply #1571 on: January 30, 2008, 09:49:49 PM »

GVC....'G'... but his Daddy is not a Judge or a lawyer...still could be DirtyHand....I wonder where they are?


Lawyers and Judges...van Loon....van Gijn...van der Sloot....Wever

Remember van Loon was the one mentioned in Beth's book.
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« Reply #1572 on: January 31, 2008, 12:22:04 AM »

Vadir van Loon - yes he was mentioned in Beth's book.  She spoke to him.  He was questioned in the case early on.



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« Reply #1573 on: January 31, 2008, 12:36:49 AM »

Vadir van Loon - yes he was mentioned in Beth's book.  She spoke to him.  He was questioned in the case early on.




Klaas is there another picture of this guy...He looks like a guy who was in one of the casino pictures the guy was staring up at the stage...like watching the dancing.....TIA
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« Reply #1574 on: January 31, 2008, 12:37:47 AM »

Correction not casino but carlos and charlies sorry...
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« Reply #1575 on: January 31, 2008, 01:06:09 AM »

Vadir van Loon - yes he was mentioned in Beth's book.  She spoke to him.  He was questioned in the case early on.





Loving Natalee page 84-85
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The tips are coming in steadily all day...One tip in particular keeps resurfacing---that Jeep...One caller says the driver is known as Theodore.  Another says his name is Vader.  A well-known drug runner on the island drives a bright yellow Jeep pulling a trailer with a small rubber boat on the back......In the little dinghy is an old oil barrrel.  This is the most difficult tip for me to listen to so far, as the callers are saying that the barrel in the boat on the back of this Jeep is where Natalee was put so she could be taken out to sea and dumped...

On the way to the print shop to have the new "KIDNAPPED" posters printed Beth spots the yellow Jeep with a small boat on a trailer and a barrel in the dinghy.  It's parked at a pizza restaurant.  The cab driver confirms that "It's Vader's Jeep."  He very bad.  Very bad.....Beth has the driver pull up to the Jeep and rolls down her window.

Loving Natalee Page 86
"Before I can speak, he sees me and offers, "I'm sorry about Natalee."
   That's weird, and his statement takes me aback.  I haven't even introduced myself.  So I ask him if he knows where she is and explain that there are reports that she has been seen in his vehicle.
   He replies, "What about the gray Honda?  I thought they were looking into that."  And before I can answer he volunteers, "The Coast Guard has already searched my boat."


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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1576 on: January 31, 2008, 01:14:23 AM »

Vadir van Loon - yes he was mentioned in Beth's book.  She spoke to him.  He was questioned in the case early on.





Loving Natalee page 84-85
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The tips are coming in steadily all day...One tip in particular keeps resurfacing---that Jeep...One caller says the driver is known as Theodore.  Another says his name is Vader.  A well-known drug runner on the island drives a bright yellow Jeep pulling a trailer with a small rubber boat on the back......In the little dinghy is an old oil barrrel.  This is the most difficult tip for me to listen to so far, as the callers are saying that the barrel in the boat on the back of this Jeep is where Natalee was put so she could be taken out to sea and dumped...

On the way to the print shop to have the new "KIDNAPPED" posters printed Beth spots the yellow Jeep with a small boat on a trailer and a barrel in the dinghy.  It's parked at a pizza restaurant.  The cab driver confirms that "It's Vader's Jeep."  He very bad.  Very bad.....Beth has the driver pull up to the Jeep and rolls down her window.

Loving Natalee Page 86
"Before I can speak, he sees me and offers, "I'm sorry about Natalee."
   That's weird, and his statement takes me aback.  I haven't even introduced myself.  So I ask him if he knows where she is and explain that there are reports that she has been seen in his vehicle.
   He replies, "What about the gray Honda?  I thought they were looking into that."  And before I can answer he volunteers, "The Coast Guard has already searched my boat."



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« Reply #1577 on: January 31, 2008, 01:28:14 AM »

Vadir van Loon - yes he was mentioned in Beth's book.  She spoke to him.  He was questioned in the case early on.





Loving Natalee page 84-85
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The tips are coming in steadily all day...One tip in particular keeps resurfacing---that Jeep...One caller says the driver is known as Theodore.  Another says his name is Vader.  A well-known drug runner on the island drives a bright yellow Jeep pulling a trailer with a small rubber boat on the back......In the little dinghy is an old oil barrrel.  This is the most difficult tip for me to listen to so far, as the callers are saying that the barrel in the boat on the back of this Jeep is where Natalee was put so she could be taken out to sea and dumped...

On the way to the print shop to have the new "KIDNAPPED" posters printed Beth spots the yellow Jeep with a small boat on a trailer and a barrel in the dinghy.  It's parked at a pizza restaurant.  The cab driver confirms that "It's Vader's Jeep."  He very bad.  Very bad.....Beth has the driver pull up to the Jeep and rolls down her window.

Loving Natalee Page 86
"Before I can speak, he sees me and offers, "I'm sorry about Natalee."
   That's weird, and his statement takes me aback.  I haven't even introduced myself.  So I ask him if he knows where she is and explain that there are reports that she has been seen in his vehicle.
   He replies, "What about the gray Honda?  I thought they were looking into that."  And before I can answer he volunteers, "The Coast Guard has already searched my boat."




Loving Natalee Pages 86-88
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I feel he has something to hide.  He has information on where Natalee is.  I just know it.  I insist that he come to the Bubali police station and talk to the detective.  The cab driver also becomes angry and demands that Vader follow us there.  And, surprisingly, he does......Dennis Jacobs...asks the man his name.  "Vader" is his answer.  Jacobs looks at me and says the reports are that a man named Theodore is the one who has the Jeep we are looking for, not this guy......

The man who said his name was Vader admitted that his name was Theodore after Beth drug him into the police station for the second time.  Beth begs Jacobs to do something.  "I'll talk to him.".......  Later we were told that he is related to Joran Vandersloot.  They might be cousins.  But that's where it ends.  He isn't held or searched or interrogated.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1578 on: January 31, 2008, 07:17:12 AM »

For COLUMBO (from the other thread)...who is MIA....LOL


Reply #295 on: Today at 02:49:16 AM » Quote 

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Quote from: Silverfox on Today at 12:39:21 AMok...

In light that many of you are now becoming more focused on Paulus...

And for good reason...

On that fateful night Anita was is Holland with her two younger sons (according to the first versions we heard)...

Paulus is out playing with his son in the sinful game of "Help me pick up a cute chick cuz mommy is out of town"...Hence the Casino video of paulus sitting next to Natalee...Hence the K2 comment about "Your Own Father"...

I have said this many times since Natalee first disappeared -- Watch the movie "Eyes Wide Shut" -- keep in mind that it is a sub-plot in the movie that I am pointing to:


-A secret Sex club (rave party) where the influential and rich "get it on"
-Young girls being "recruited" for sexual purposes and exhibition
-The murder of one of the young women
-Cover-up of the murder by the rich and famous and influential
-Attempts to discredit important witnesses as well efforts to blame it on the girl

The smugness of Joran that "he didn't do it" (but in denial that he would be a direct accomplice even if he, himself, did not do it...

While not the same -- the movie strongly suggests to me that if you compare it to what we know and feel we might know about nat's case that indeed, there may be strong similarities.

I remember my good friend (for deputy sheriff) in texas who explained to me a couple of weeks after Nat disappeared that he felt Joran was recruiting (by date rape drugs) young tourist girls for his Dad.  All along my friend has felt that Paulus was the key.  Of course if you consider the depth of the cover-up and the levels of importance it makes you wonder if all these top, influential people on Aruba and surrounding islands just might have a "group" similar to the one in "Eyes Wide Shut" that they all know about and to allow one to fall would open an entire can of worms and they all would be exposed -- hence the statement of Paulus alluding to a lot of people would be hurt if the truth were to come out...Perhaps the "pimps" principle job all along was to drug and provide young girls for top government officials and their friends and collegues.

Think about it... certainly more and more folks are starting to smell something rotten that goes much deeper than J2K...


quote from hotping:
I believe You are very correct Silverfox....I also believe that the Club is still in operation....I'm thinking of the California lady who is now missing from another nearby island.....This goes way deeper than just Natalee's Case......Really Sad...I hope someone can put a stop to it......   
 
 


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« Reply #1579 on: January 31, 2008, 07:23:51 AM »

For Helenback...re the video reference of the other night. I had posted this previously in the main thread.

Also posted something recently about Anita's camera which was taken during the search of 8/15/2005. She complained that it had 'field trip' pics on it. And wondered why she hadn't been complaining about aal the pics that should have been on it from her trip to The Netherlands.

My apologies if you have already read this.....


January 09, 2008, 05:15:06 AM  Is this when Anita saw the underwear? This was June 8th and they were arrested 4 hours later...more coincidence.


From Deepak’s 6/10 PV
To your question as to when I last was in Joran's place the last time, I can state the following. I went to his place Wednesday June 8th, at approximately 22.45 hours, together with my brother Satish.

To your question as to what the purpose of this visit was, I can state the following. First of all because we had no power at our house, and secondly because Joran wanted to see the video of my brother's school trip.
To your question as to who was at the house, I can state the following. His parents were at the house and his little brother. To your question as to how late we stayed there, I can state the following. We stayed there until about 02.00 hours in the morning.


Is the little brother Val...why was he not questioned until just before the last arrests?
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