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« Reply #1700 on: February 07, 2008, 03:17:41 PM »

Lala's...Pic about two thirds of the way down the page.....

MUSCARIELLO, Renzo – DJ, reportedly friends with Steve Croes & Paul Brough
   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=eKAATIcbMSLQqrkP


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0

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« Reply #1701 on: February 07, 2008, 03:24:44 PM »

Lala's...Pic about two thirds of the way down the page.....

MUSCARIELLO, Renzo – DJ, reportedly friends with Steve Croes & Paul Brough
   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=eKAATIcbMSLQqrkP


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0




Lala's...Klaas says she not sure about him being friends with Brough. Was going to check on him this morning and ran out of time....may just be more useless information....gotta run....
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« Reply #1702 on: February 07, 2008, 03:50:38 PM »

I remember something about Joran going by his girlfriend's house and picking up a cell phone.  She shared this in an interview maybe or from a post on RWV or maybe here, at the beginning.  Can't remember if it was the same night that Natalee disappeared.  Maybe someone can find it.  If that is so, maybe he did have two cell phones at one time.


Hi Chata...Thanks...Was that Melody...TIA


No, I don't think it was Melody ... thinking about it some more, it would have to be Flor.  Was she the current one???  I guess I had Melody in mind because she posted at RWV and was interviewed and tried to alibi Joran.  I just remember it was said Joran went by to pick up the phone before going to C&C's.  Probably a lie like everything else.
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« Reply #1703 on: February 08, 2008, 04:54:33 AM »

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:09 pm
 You can’t remember answering a phone call at 2:00 in the morning? When the next day your son was picked up?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
 Father is a suspect of the disappearance.

Daury is Paulus's codename.  He must have disposed of the body.



I have been waiting patiently for Stom to enlighten me further......

Codename implies, to me anyway, something covert. Which would take me back to drugs, money laundering, smuggling, prostitution and from my brief readings Aruba is a 'mafia' island.

FARC - Columbians, Venuzuelans, Russians and obvious others. It's a free trade zone, lots of import/export businesses.

No wonder the ordinary Arubans won't talk....just look at all the unexplained deaths since we started following this case or should I say arubacides.

This would also explain Joran's bloodied tongue.

Going back to read Simian....the crime...Freddy...Freddy...Freddy...#1 for#5

Thanks Chata and hotping.....there's something up with that pay phone story and there is even more up when Taco says the Aruban Coast Guard checked it out...

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« Reply #1704 on: February 08, 2008, 07:39:33 AM »

Still trying to sort this one out.....In Joran's book he said his father was picked up this day when he went to KIA to visit him. My question is about the 'again'. It was posted on the other thread that Paulus spent the night in the slammer. Not sure if it was the 14th. or the 17th. The non-search of the house was on the 15th. Could this be the same house that posters referred to as seeing on an earlier arrest?

Simian started posting the 17th........more coincidence.....

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 11:17 am
Waiting for a call…

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:27 pm
Can’t confirm that he is detained. He has been taken in again by the authorities.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.
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« Reply #1705 on: February 08, 2008, 08:43:13 AM »

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
 Father is a suspect of the disappearance.

Daury is Paulus's codename.  He must have disposed of the body.


I have been here since the beginning. I spent many months posting in the "Codetalkers" forum.....I have saved the original postings from Shango/Simian.....I absolutely have never heard or seen the highlighted comment about Daury is Paulus's codename.....Would someone kindly tell me how they obtained  that? TIA
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« Reply #1706 on: February 08, 2008, 09:09:58 AM »

I was trying to make a little sense of Simian's posts or timing of them....LOL..

Simian started posting 6/17....was this when Paulus was first hauled in and let go?

Resumed on 6/22...though the Discovery Log Timeline says Paulus was detained 6/22, all else says 6/23?...Confused about this...

I found some interesting things in Paulus' PV, especially regarding Eric Williams and do not see any mention of the Racquet Club for 5/31. This is when Freddy said he was there with Joran. there has been alot of confusion as to when Joran told Freddy what, and IMO Freddy was at the Racquet Club with all the pimps on 5/30.

     http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/pvds623.htm

     
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« Reply #1707 on: February 08, 2008, 09:17:04 AM »

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
 Father is a suspect of the disappearance.

Daury is Paulus's codename.  He must have disposed of the body.


I have been here since the beginning. I spent many months posting in the "Codetalkers" forum.....I have saved the original postings from Shango/Simian.....I absolutely have never heard or seen the highlighted comment about Daury is Paulus's codename.....Would someone kindly tell me how they obtained  that? TIA
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Hi MsVada.....I took that as Stom's opinion, which is why I asked him to elaborate...I highlighted it in my response to Stom....it wasn't highlighted in his original post.
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« Reply #1708 on: February 08, 2008, 09:54:02 AM »

Same story from Paulus about Williams in his first PV...it does not jive with what Beth said and what we have hased out numerous times.....also apparent that he is very familiar with Charles Croes. Interesting where the pages are missing from this PV....to me anyway as I was at the ISA website this morning and their links intrigued me.


from PV

 The headmaster then barred these people access to the school grounds. If the girl wasn't found, there was a good chance that the boys would be seen as suspects again. I did find it a bit strange that the boys weren't asked to make more detailed statements, and so I concluded for myself that there probably was information that the girl in fact had been seen after...

PAGE OR PAGES MISSING FROM STATEMENT

...spoken. With some friends who visited us we undoubtedly spoke about this because it was on our minds too. Some of our friends are members of  “Friends of Aruba” and were closely involved with the search for the girl.

You ask me whether I told the boys that they would be taped. I did say that, but only because I suspected that, and a little bit as a joke. Not because I knew there were being taped.



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« Reply #1709 on: February 08, 2008, 10:21:01 AM »

Anna just posted this and seeing Lala's is totally confused about the December birthday, I'll post it here...now I have to go find the post of Leslie's....LOL...Lala's, a PV surfaced from someone born in Aruba with a December birthday, only person found was Val, but he was apparently not born in Aruba....or was he?


Also Lorenzo’s family had already told a newspaper in the past that this story about half brother is not true.  The two families had contact with each other right after family Van der Sloot moved to Aruba in 1990.  “They had an auto-repair shop and we have taken our car to them a few times.  Lorenzo was five or six years old at that time and Joran two-and-a-half.”



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« Reply #1710 on: February 08, 2008, 10:35:17 AM »

Whew!  I am glad Anita cleared that Lorenzo thing up for us.  As an afterthought, oh never mind....Sloot arrived in 1990.  Val was born when?
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« Reply #1711 on: February 08, 2008, 10:49:09 AM »

Why would Eric Williams identify himself as FBI?  This story is slightly different from the one Beth told in her book, did anyone notice?
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« Reply #1712 on: February 08, 2008, 11:03:37 AM »

I don't think Val has anything to do with all this.  After all, he was the first person to log into the computer that fateful night.  I think computer records show his hotmail account being accessed at that time, I could be wrong. If I am right, why was he up at that hour anyway?
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« Reply #1713 on: February 08, 2008, 11:07:32 AM »

Why would Eric Williams identify himself as FBI?  This story is slightly different from the one Beth told in her book, did anyone notice?

Yep...and who would you believe, also Paulus said he met him back at the HI...not the story at all. Interesting...I remember in Joran's earlier statements he said FBI and I dismissed it as having to do with Jody Bearman, but also Joran said agents from the Consul....confusing.

Just checking Leslie's posts and I've got to a PV, a screenshot of which was shown on De Vries show, not the recent one, but that person said Natalee offered him a sniff of cocaine. I don't suppose she would have met that many locals, do you?

Anyways, Val apparently graduated 2007, so I'm trying to work out how old he is. May be nothing, but don't like all these loose ends, and somebody put this in a PV!
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« Reply #1714 on: February 08, 2008, 11:10:49 AM »

This is one of Leslie's posts about it and I'm still checking and haven't followed the link...Dec. 6th...9.16am

Isn't this important information that there is a PV stating that a person who was born in Aruba with a birthday in December, said that NH offered him/her a sniff of cocaine?
That rules out Joran, Deepak, Satish, Freddy, Paul, Jaime, etc.   I am trying to find Val's birthday.  Anybody know?

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« Reply #1715 on: February 08, 2008, 11:15:15 AM »

In fact, it is nothing like what Beth said happened.  Williams told Beth to remain in the car until he got there...Paulus first saw Williams at the HI?  I could go on, but you get the idea...interesting....

Paulus statement:

The police officers were also somewhat tired of the situation and said that the Americans should report the girl missing. We then drove to the police-station in Noord and the police-officers consulted with the watch-commander. They also changed cars. I understood that the watch-commander had no objections to the police-officers going to the Holiday Inn together with Deepak, Joran and myself. When we arrived at the Holiday Inn there was a dark coloured man there standing with folded arms who later introduced himself as WILLIAMS from the F.B.I. This man immediately took Joran separately and had a short talk with him. I also went over to WILLIAMS and asked him what his function was. Then he told me he was with the F.B.I. so I returned to the the police officers and asked them whether they knew that F.B.I. officers were present there. They told me they did not know anything about that. I briefly talked with a member of staff from the Holiday Inn who told me there was only one camera and that this camera was pointed in the direction of the front desk. I also understood it was not certain whether or not that camera was actually working. One of the police officers had a lengthy discussion with WILLIAMS in the back of the lobby. I understood from the officer that he had informed WILLIAMS of the existence of the so-called “Beach bums”.


According to Beth the DEA agent arrives at the Sloot home.  Remember, Williams tells her to wait in the car. He is the last one arriving.  Paulus could not have met in the HI standing in the back of the lobby unless he was there...Beth doesn't say they went back to the HI, she says they went to the Wyndham looking for Joran and then back to the Sloots. 

Again, I am confused.  Good catch!
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« Reply #1716 on: February 08, 2008, 11:20:17 AM »

Lala's...do you remember anything about that screenshot on a Devries show.
All I think I can remeber is a repeat of his show that Leslie saw this on.

Seems to me someone stuck there neck out here.
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« Reply #1717 on: February 08, 2008, 11:27:56 AM »

Thanks Lala's...I had noticed between Joran and Paulus before the references to gov't peeps and thought that weird, never noticed the story was different from Beth's. Will find which one of Joran's he talks about it.

Any thoughts on why the Discovery Timeline Log has the 22nd. as Paulus arrest date? Could be just an error. Now I have to go back and check dates and make sure I am clear on things when I check over there.
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« Reply #1718 on: February 08, 2008, 12:48:21 PM »

For Chata and Lala's....looks like they knew about phones early on...my guess cell phones, not pay phones...Is it just me or is it strange that they are asking if the girls have phones?

To your question whether I have a girlfriend, I answer to you that I had a girlfriend. After this happened I told my girlfriend what had happened and she wasn't happy about it. My girlfriend's name is "Elaine" but I do not remember het last name now. I do not know the address where Elaine lives, but I can point out her house to you. Elaine is Aruban and she studies at the Colegio Arubano Oranjestad. A few weeks ago she and her fellow students went to Venezuela. She now is in class V-4 on the Colegio Arubano and she is 17 years old. Elaine has a mobile phone, but her name is under the nickname "Fishy" in the memory of my mobile phone.

 have to say that I have another girlfriend now. Her name is "Florencia METZ". She just graduated from the Mavo and lives behind "Codemsa". Her friends and acquaintances call her "Flor". I do not know the number of her house but I can point it out to you. Flor has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". Flor is from Argentina and I speak Dutch with her.



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« Reply #1719 on: February 08, 2008, 12:53:17 PM »

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:10 pm
 Father is a suspect of the disappearance.

Daury is Paulus's codename.  He must have disposed of the body.


I have been here since the beginning. I spent many months posting in the "Codetalkers" forum.....I have saved the original postings from Shango/Simian.....I absolutely have never heard or seen the highlighted comment about Daury is Paulus's codename.....Would someone kindly tell me how they obtained  that? TIA
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Hi MsVada.....I took that as Stom's opinion, which is why I asked him to elaborate...I highlighted it in my response to Stom....it wasn't highlighted in his original post.


Hi Mum

When I first read it, I thought someone was saying Simian said it.....I saw it wasn't highlighted which further made me want to ask for clarification. I've seen a few variations of Shango/Simian posts in which people have added or changed things and wanted to be sure it wasn't thecase here.......

IMHO,  I really don't know who Daury really is, but some of the speculations are plausable
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