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« Reply #1740 on: February 09, 2008, 08:26:40 PM »

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Do you remember the conversation about Ruffner Page from the NAH thread a few weeks ago? HI daughter is Virginia and there was speculation that she would have been the most likley target if there was a planned kidnapping? Could you use your magical powers and find out about this again for me?  TIA

Lala's...here's the link...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2539.180
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« Reply #1741 on: February 10, 2008, 08:15:36 AM »

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Did they? Or, didn't they?

http://sxmophile.blogspot.com/2008/02/false-alarm-in-leta-lynn-cordes-case.html
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« Reply #1742 on: February 10, 2008, 08:35:40 AM »


Morning COLUMBO....I will check...I have been looking at Simian's posts of 6/24...Paulus had been detained, but not much is on the Discovery Log which probably means that those statements were not given to the Kalpoe lawyers. Found 2 PVs...Joran and Satish...and it's all about Freddy...was he the 5th and the singing card? His statements always seem to match relevent dates....were the 'film' charges a kind of deal and then nothing happened...something is up with Freddy.....for darn sure..

Link to statements for 6/24

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/index.htm

Going back to that now COLUMBO....lots of thoughts on it last night and this morning....will try and see where you're taking me first.
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« Reply #1743 on: February 10, 2008, 08:48:44 AM »

lol.......the body I mean.....think the polis, who dispatched several units, found one? or not?
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« Reply #1744 on: February 10, 2008, 08:52:10 AM »



MO...same as in Aruba...they did...way too many coincidences...even the female on the next to last link reminded me of our friend Arlene...same words, same story...different island...
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« Reply #1745 on: February 10, 2008, 08:55:41 AM »

even included the poison notes:

saying....many disappear down there when they find out that they can have a much better life, or something to that effect
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« Reply #1746 on: February 10, 2008, 08:58:00 AM »

wonder if FBI will get tapes, guestlists.......just a hunch......DirtyHand......
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« Reply #1747 on: February 10, 2008, 09:35:11 AM »

COLUMBO...Did they allow the FBI to help?...as I said a little out of the loop on this lately, but last I saw they hadn't responded to the FBI

Any idea where Freddy fits?  Per Joran's book on 6/3 it was already decided that Freddy would get Joran a new pair of shoes....He's all over that book everywhere....wasn't it Freddy that ALE let Joran call about something?...A bit fuzzy on this as I know he called Deepak re what Nat was wearing.

The cell phone...possibly a throw away...per book...Joran said that Natalee was on the phone the entire time in the casino....and I recall a post from the front page discussing the casino video where it was said that Nat was on the phone. Personally I can't see her with a phone at C&Cs,but I'm just throwing it out there. Maybe she borrowed Paulus' phone in the casino...those darn phones just won't go away.
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« Reply #1748 on: February 10, 2008, 09:47:31 AM »

I've never looked closely at that......my recollection is that he was brought in on an issue related to the past, possibly for motive or alibi stuff
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« Reply #1749 on: February 10, 2008, 10:08:47 AM »

I've never looked closely at that......my recollection is that he was brought in on an issue related to the past, possibly for motive or alibi stuff

LOL...Freddy always has my attention....August arrest with the rearrest of the Kalpoes was to do with the underage filming. Jossy said he was detained early to do with a false alibi or so he was told and the press was never notified. Marianne Croes, slip or not, he was detained from 6/9. I suspect he may have been the A.B. questioned in April 2006 when GVC was arrested...Aaron Batzis...

The shoes being discussed on 6/3 is a little strange as IIRC Dompig announced the shoes way later.
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« Reply #1750 on: February 10, 2008, 10:11:17 AM »

I saved this post from yesterday on the Natalee Holloway thread and didn’t want anyone to miss it.

Private Eye…Reply #723 on: Today at 06:45:33 PM »
   
 In Aruba, the Arubans are the recipient of money from the drug lords for smuggling and money laundering. The Dutch controlling the police and the courts are aware of the corrpution, even the specifics. The local Dutch have blackmailed Rudy and the others into not prosecuting in exchange for not blowing the whistle on Rudy, and Rudy controll the prosecutors. The prosecutors assemble the evidence, present it, and decide whether to proceed. They also are the ones who ship evidence to Holland to be examined. So Joran CANNOT EVER BE PROSECUTED IN ARUBA.

 Rudy could care less about Joran, would give him up in a second, but he can't, for fear of being exposed by the local Dutch. That is why Rudy publicly exclaimed that HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT JORAN WAS GOING TO BE RE-ARRESTED, SO THAT THE DUTCH WOULDN'T FIRE BACK AT HIM. THAT IS WHY MOS TOOK ACTION WHEN RUDY WAS AWAY FROM ARUBA. HOLLAND NOW SEES THIS, BUT WITH THE EVIDENCE ALREADY BEING CLEANSED, CAN DO LITTLE.

But Rudy can organize an out of court settlement for Joran, and that is what we are watching. IMO.


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« Reply #1751 on: February 10, 2008, 10:24:13 AM »

Whew!  I am behind again trying to catch up.  Life gets in the way often at my house. 


The FBI was very limited.  They obtained very little to nothing in the way of information from ALE.  Beth has stated that before.  I am surprised they even have the blood/chocolate evidence and at that I am suspicious if it is the genuine thing. So I would say NO. The FBI was left out for the  most part.

Freddy is the 5th suspect.  As much as I have wanted it to fit others it doesn't fit as well as it does with Freddy, given what info we have at this time.  If there is even a 5th suspect. Just because Simian says it does not make it so.  I do however, think Simian had some inside info...not always on the up and up, but he/she did have a connection either feeding him/her info or was right there in the thick of things.   Same with Shockthemonkey...inside info. 

Shango?  I have given up on that one...I just keep shaking my head.  Did we ever find out Boeti's birthday? Did we locate out December guy? Just wondering.
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« Reply #1752 on: February 10, 2008, 10:31:23 AM »

I saved this post from yesterday on the Natalee Holloway thread and didn’t want anyone to miss it.

Private Eye…Reply #723 on: Today at 06:45:33 PM »
   
 In Aruba, the Arubans are the recipient of money from the drug lords for smuggling and money laundering. The Dutch controlling the police and the courts are aware of the corrpution, even the specifics. The local Dutch have blackmailed Rudy and the others into not prosecuting in exchange for not blowing the whistle on Rudy, and Rudy controll the prosecutors. The prosecutors assemble the evidence, present it, and decide whether to proceed. They also are the ones who ship evidence to Holland to be examined. So Joran CANNOT EVER BE PROSECUTED IN ARUBA.

 Rudy could care less about Joran, would give him up in a second, but he can't, for fear of being exposed by the local Dutch. That is why Rudy publicly exclaimed that HE WAS NOT AWARE THAT JORAN WAS GOING TO BE RE-ARRESTED, SO THAT THE DUTCH WOULDN'T FIRE BACK AT HIM. THAT IS WHY MOS TOOK ACTION WHEN RUDY WAS AWAY FROM ARUBA. HOLLAND NOW SEES THIS, BUT WITH THE EVIDENCE ALREADY BEING CLEANSED, CAN DO LITTLE.

But Rudy can organize an out of court settlement for Joran, and that is what we are watching. IMO.





My post from January 31, 2008:
This is not going to be a bombshell...it's going to be a scapegoat scenario....Janet I think you may be right...case closed...again...Joran confessed to her dying accidently while he was there...he panicked...dumped her body...lost his shoes...it's all about Joran...no one else...

provide the scapegoat...cowboys go home happy...dirty hand stays hidden...only one teepee falls...back to One Happy Island... I am feeling sick all over again.
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« Reply #1753 on: February 10, 2008, 10:51:33 AM »

Good morning Lala's....been reading all over this morning....and still don't know which path to follow....except for Freddy.....just not sure were he fits...heck he was questioned as much as J2K....

Been looking at Simian's posts as to regards your request, maybe that path better fits the 'boyfriend from earlier in the week, drinking for free and at the tables all week'.

Lots of visitors in the wee hours, probably due to different time zones, but we had as many guests as the other room....

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« Reply #1754 on: February 10, 2008, 11:22:25 AM »

Do we know if Natalee and her friends ever visited Moomba's?  Champions? Choose A Name?  I have only a few of the 302's.  Maybe they are there, I just don't see them in ICD thread.

Do we know for certain that Deepak actually made a stop at a bar after he left CnC?  I need to go back and read what Deepak says.  No other reason to stop at another bar except for a small number of things...my thoughts...

> buy another drink
> buy drugs of some kind
> inform a person of something or make arrangements for something

What do you think Mum?







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« Reply #1755 on: February 10, 2008, 11:29:57 AM »

Deepak's 6/9 PV:

A friend of mine came walking up to me. His name is Eli and I don't know his last name. He used to me in my class at the MAVO/BAVO. Eli talked to me for about five to ten minutes. Eli then walked away. When I turned around Satish and Joran were nowhere to be seen. They hadn't even told that they were leaving. I looked for them for a short while, but hadn't found them. I was in the bathroom for a little while. I have no patience to look. After the bathroom I looked around somewhat. I walked past the bar, past the glass section where the "Carlos & Charlies" souvenirs of "Carlos & Charlie" are sold to the outside. When I was walking outside, I could hear the announcement that it was the last opportunity to buy alcohol. That is always announced before closing. I walked to my car. My car was the only one parked in the back of the parking lot. I went and sat in my car to wait for Satish and Joran. I had no more money left on my pre-paid phone to call them. I was listening to the radio and was trying to adjust the sound. The car door on the right front door was opened. I looked up and saw that it was Satish. Satish sat down next to me. Then the back car door opened. Joran got into the car. He got in on the right side of the car and sat down behind Satish. The girl had also got into the car through the back car door on the left side. She sat down behind me in the car. I greeted her. I said to her: "Hi" She greeted me back and had told me her name. I immediately forgot her name. I had no problem with the fact that she was sitting in the car. It wasn't the first time that I had girls in my car that were on vacation and dropped them off at hotels.


I wonder if there is a PV from Eli?  Anyone know?

Didn't Deepak say he didn't speak to Natalee in another PV?

Deepak played taxi often...for tourists.

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« Reply #1756 on: February 10, 2008, 11:34:20 AM »

Same 6/9 Deepak PV:

During that time the girl stuck her head out of the car and yelled something. I had not understood what she had shouted. I looked into the direction she had been yelling to. I saw a group of people standing there, there were both boys and girls there. It was a group of more than ten people. I assumed that they belonged with her group. One of the boys responded and walked towards us. I hear the boy say: " What are you doing there. Are you crazy, get out of the car.". She didn't want to get out. I hadn't responded. I kept on driving at walking pace and stopped my car at the zebra crossing. I had done this because I thought it would be better if she went with her friends. To prevent problems because her friends clearly didn't want her coming with us. To your question as to what I mean by problems, I can state the following. The kind of problem that I have now gotten into. People would think that she would have gone with us against her will. She was more drunk than she had been previously.

Deepak knew the plan all along. He also knew she was drugged by now... wonder how he will explain that in the civil suit?  MOO
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« Reply #1757 on: February 10, 2008, 11:40:19 AM »

Mum this one is for you...

Deepak 6/10 PV:

To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following. Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.

To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.

Joran and Freddy are the two that work the tourists.  Did someone say 5th suspect?
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« Reply #1758 on: February 10, 2008, 11:43:19 AM »

Do we know if Natalee and her friends ever visited Moomba's?  Champions? Choose A Name?  I have only a few of the 302's.  Maybe they are there, I just don't see them in ICD thread.

Do we know for certain that Deepak actually made a stop at a bar after he left CnC?  I need to go back and read what Deepak says.  No other reason to stop at another bar except for a small number of things...my thoughts...

> buy another drink
> buy drugs of some kind
> inform a person of something or make arrangements for something

What do you think Mum?













Did you read Anna's post that both Tyler and I bought over on page 1 of the new thread this morning? Wish I knew who they were talking about.

I have been going over the PVs looking for certain things, will check Deepak's again, but I thought his lawyer may have mentioned a stop.

Then there is Joran saying they went to another bar in C&Cs.

We only have two 302s, I'm not sure if BFN has more. There is mention of the MB'ers going down to Choose-A-Name, not sure if it stayed opened later or if they were looking for stragglers. But they knew about the place.

J2Ks talk about the yards and throwing them away...always assumed they came from C&Cs, but if they got them later that would mean that Natalee was probably drugged later. And it's shortening up the timeframe.

Did they say they were followed immediately after leaving C&Cs? I read about the other car this morning in J's book and he said he thought they wanted to race. I thought it was further away from the club.

PVs....lots of answers to questions about phones and cars....makes me think ALE knew about both. Why would they want to know what Jaime drives if he wasn't even there....hmmmmmm? Clue...they know there is another car....IN THE OTHER CAR!!!

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« Reply #1759 on: February 10, 2008, 11:55:54 AM »

I have always thought it strange that he was out with Satish and Deepak, if I'm remembering right, both Saturday and Sunday night and that Jaime and Freddy were not around. He stated he went with 2Ks once a week.

All I have seen of Freddy's PVs are what's in that book and who's to say whats true....all it is to me is contradictions of what Freddy was told, when and where....that is why I asked if Freddy could have been singing!

OH...but everyone told Freddy everything...not Joran...I wonder why?
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