SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[COLOMBO]

arawak-polis
Arawak-federale?

[COLOMBO]

persona non grata:


Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

[CapsLockWizard]

........a herring or not, one more time for fun......

++++++++++++


Shango Says: July 27, 2005 9:54 pm

I see from afar with the eyes of god.

Shango has always said



The hand has long fingers
which still caress the tender lamb
tucked away at manger
awaiting his fate.

Cowboys, don't step on the Herrings!
The SlanderFoot is whispering
with the Gods of Babylon.

Has not the DirtyHand walked in many circles?
Amongst the lions.....
And even now he summons help
from the Gods of Babylon.

Pleading for keys
to remain hidden
so that doors
may remain closed.

For how many can see
the strings of marionettes
as they are subtley
pulled by the gods?

The Arawaks whisper fervently...
Heads will roll
the fires which were dim
have brightened

the sleights of DirtyHand
have not sleightened....

but are still
at the root of this evil tree
and all of the "Plants"

If the DirtyHand
can't be washed
the SlanderFoot
must be amputated

For how can a lamb walk
without a foot?

Because I have revealed
many truths
Lions undiscovered
still pace nervously
in dark places

waiting to pounce.

And the consorts of Babylon
maintain contact with corrupt emissaries...


Research has shown scarcity or non-existence of Orisha Dopplegangers
Have faith in what has been attributed to me
The Ether remains my realm thanks to Obatala!

I have done my best
to illuminate the path
so do not beseige me
for vestiges of humanity

Nothing is seen with the eyes of god
if the cowries are not thrown

What Mary thought
was MagicTransport
was nothing but
Tragic Mansport

I see from afar with the eyes of God

I must feed the messengers
for I am Ojuobah
and thence Shango! 

Talks like Palus will be knocked off if Joran is not prosecuted.  That is if he is slanderfoot.  Slanderfoot may be a grandparent in Holland.   If PVS is slanderfoot they will take him out if Joran keeps being protected.  That is what it sounds like.       jack blue
the DirtyHand hid the SlanderFoot.

LALA where is this last Shango peace come from. Mine ends on June 30, 2005

How come I never saw this peace...and it go all the way in July 27, 2005

I have ask for the complete Shango riddle and I see now it is not complete.

I need the rest of it... THe July 27,  2005 is easy to read

[COLOMBO]

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[klaasend]

Capslock - there were some Shango impersonators after June 30th.  I'm not sure those are real Shango.

[sharon]

Sharon
Sorry, I was rude.  Good to see someone besides our normal crew in here.  Thanks for the compliment..it is hard to stay on track these days.  Come by more often.

Lala's -- not rude in the slightest.

Life has kicked in and returns my status to 'lurker' but I check in almost daily and read as much as I can.

And it is very heartwarming to see others keep things rolling. I know you can understand the sentiment. I feel so badly when I can't post 'Boycott Aruba' a few times a day But I know others are here keeping the fires lit for Beth. 

[sharon]

Lala's -- lost the part of my post about the phones.

And I agree. Joran had his phone. But I think there is a real tangled web about the phones.

Lot's of questions in the PV's about cell phone numbers, too. A lot in Joran's pv's. Jaime. Jaime's sister, I think. Sander. I thought it was wierd. But maybe it's how they identiy eachother

Lots of wierd stuff with the phones.

A a girl is in critical distress so you guy find a pay phone to call a friend to disappear her? He has no condom, but he has change? He knows this guys number by heart?

[Icehawk]

One straight path

to the house of Rave,

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA


Has  this been decoded by anyone?

Thanks Icehawk.

[Lala'sMom]

........a herring or not, one more time for fun......

++++++++++++


Shango Says: July 27, 2005 9:54 pm

I see from afar with the eyes of god.

Shango has always said



The hand has long fingers
which still caress the tender lamb
tucked away at manger
awaiting his fate.

Cowboys, don't step on the Herrings!
The SlanderFoot is whispering
with the Gods of Babylon.

Has not the DirtyHand walked in many circles?
Amongst the lions.....
And even now he summons help
from the Gods of Babylon.

Pleading for keys
to remain hidden
so that doors
may remain closed.

For how many can see
the strings of marionettes
as they are subtley
pulled by the gods?

The Arawaks whisper fervently...
Heads will roll
the fires which were dim
have brightened

the sleights of DirtyHand
have not sleightened....

but are still
at the root of this evil tree
and all of the "Plants"

If the DirtyHand
can't be washed
the SlanderFoot
must be amputated

For how can a lamb walk
without a foot?

Because I have revealed
many truths
Lions undiscovered
still pace nervously
in dark places

waiting to pounce.

And the consorts of Babylon
maintain contact with corrupt emissaries...


Research has shown scarcity or non-existence of Orisha Dopplegangers
Have faith in what has been attributed to me
The Ether remains my realm thanks to Obatala!

I have done my best
to illuminate the path
so do not beseige me
for vestiges of humanity

Nothing is seen with the eyes of god
if the cowries are not thrown

What Mary thought
was MagicTransport
was nothing but
Tragic Mansport

I see from afar with the eyes of God

I must feed the messengers
for I am Ojuobah
and thence Shango! 

Talks like Palus will be knocked off if Joran is not prosecuted.  That is if he is slanderfoot.  Slanderfoot may be a grandparent in Holland.   If PVS is slanderfoot they will take him out if Joran keeps being protected.  That is what it sounds like.       jack blue
the DirtyHand hid the SlanderFoot.

LALA where is this last Shango peace come from. Mine ends on June 30, 2005

How come I never saw this peace...and it go all the way in July 27, 2005

I have ask for the complete Shango riddle and I see now it is not complete.

I need the rest of it... THe July 27,  2005 is easy to read

This was not known to be a genuine Shango riddle...not my assumption. I was told that was not written here on FP but at another site.  Therefore it can not be verified as authentic.  Caps. by July everyone on the internet could speak Shango. LOL

[Lala'sMom]

arawaks-polis
Arawak King - Oduber
Arawak Nation - govt
Arawak DirtyHand-(the "fetid" Arawak King maybe?-he'd have an escort, no?)

Arawak

Main Entry:
    Ar·a·wak Listen to the pronunciation of Arawak
Pronunciation:
    \ˈa-rə-ˌwäk, -ˌwak\
Function:
    noun
Inflected Form(s):
    plural Arawak or Arawaks
Etymology:
    earlier Arwaca, Aroaca, an Arawak subgroup of 16th century Trinidad, perhaps from an Arawak name for the subgroup
Date:
    1769

1 : a member of an Indian people of the Arawakan group now living chiefly along the coast of Guyana 2 : the language of the Arawak people

Another definition of arawak:
http://www.blackstudies.ucsb.edu/antillians/arawaks.html


Arawak=local Arubans   

Straaten is mentioned by Babalu...which I realize is just a wild guess...Shango does not correct Babalu, but instead agrees only to the extent that it "opens windows". So never positive there.



Given your premise...Dirty Hand can not be anyone connected to police or government. That rules out many of the suspected dirty hands.  It rules out Jacobs, Straaten, Croes, Bernadina, etc.   So who is dirty hand?

[Lala'sMom]

One straight path

to the house of Rave,

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA


Has  this been decoded by anyone?

Thanks Icehawk.

Many times...many versions.  Why don't you give it a try?

[Lala'sMom]

Icehawk
I should add...most of the versions are here in the Shango thread...it would take a while to find them all.  My search capabilities are limited since the changeover.

[Icehawk]

Icehawk
I should add...most of the versions are here in the Shango thread...it would take a while to find them all.  My search capabilities are limited since the changeover.

Hi Lala'sMom.


Is this the right thread?

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html




One straight path

to the house of Rave,

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA


Something Involing Natalee  =   sin

XTC DNA  =  ?

[Debra]

Arawak is ______________. 

Everyone please fill in the blank. Thanks. Just asking...no trick question here.

Arawak=Persons from the Caribbean
          =Native Arubians

SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?

Shango=Mafia friends
Simian=Arubian with friends in ALE

Shango is describing the "secret brotherhood" among men on Aruba

...JMO.

[MumInOhio]

arawaks-polis
Arawak King - Oduber
Arawak Nation - govt
Arawak DirtyHand-(the "fetid" Arawak King maybe?-he'd have an escort, no?)

Arawak

Main Entry:
    Ar·a·wak Listen to the pronunciation of Arawak
Pronunciation:
    \ˈa-rə-ˌwäk, -ˌwak\
Function:
    noun
Inflected Form(s):
    plural Arawak or Arawaks
Etymology:
    earlier Arwaca, Aroaca, an Arawak subgroup of 16th century Trinidad, perhaps from an Arawak name for the subgroup
Date:
    1769

1 : a member of an Indian people of the Arawakan group now living chiefly along the coast of Guyana 2 : the language of the Arawak people

Another definition of arawak:
http://www.blackstudies.ucsb.edu/antillians/arawaks.html


Arawak=local Arubans   

Straaten is mentioned by Babalu...which I realize is just a wild guess...Shango does not correct Babalu, but instead agrees only to the extent that it "opens windows". So never positive there.



Given your premise...Dirty Hand can not be anyone connected to police or government. That rules out many of the suspected dirty hands.  It rules out Jacobs, Straaten, Croes, Bernadina, etc.   So who is dirty hand?

van der Straten was outed on 6/5 - the 2 secutity guards were arrested - and back in on 6/11 - the day everything was retracted....so the info and order to arrest the SGs came from him and Jacobs...MO only

The only appearance of van der Straten on the Time Log has to do with Wyndham where Joran, Guido, Andre and Deepak reportedly were gambling on the evening of 5/30....MO only...they were never there....Joran said they were there to create an alibi as to appear that everything was normal...again MO....the security tapes were fixed...it appears by way of van der Straten...of course with the help of Mr von Cromvoirt.

The von Cromvoirt's have been banished to The Netherlands or at least the mother has, the vcb website appears to be exactly the same as the very first time I saw it. 'Willem' is an ex cop and only moved to Aruba in 1997. Nice home, affluent family, daughter a cop, and appears a very good business. Why did GVC lawyer deny that his Dad's company had the contract for the H.I.? Is the sister a cop on Aruba still? Who now owns von Cromvoirt's company...Where's Geoffrey?...where's Willem?

The shirt, the sunglasses were rumored to belong to GVC, and that phone call from the tourist puts GVC in the mix for me....oh forgot the jeep and access to ATV's.

Why was 'Willem' interrogated early?

IMO 'Daddy' is not only covering for GVC....he is one of the 'dirty hands'.

[MumInOhio]

Lala's -- lost the part of my post about the phones.

And I agree. Joran had his phone. But I think there is a real tangled web about the phones.

Lot's of questions in the PV's about cell phone numbers, too. A lot in Joran's pv's. Jaime. Jaime's sister, I think. Sander. I thought it was wierd. But maybe it's how they identiy eachother

Lots of wierd stuff with the phones.

A a girl is in critical distress so you guy find a pay phone to call a friend to disappear her? He has no condom, but he has change? He knows this guys number by heart?

Sharon...thanks for the reminder:

She hit her head on a 'pilar' and if IIRC it was even spelt the same way...may be more useless information....but yes I believe her phone was asked about.

CACERES, Maria del Pilar Carrasquillia   – “Pilar” – Jaime’s sister

[MumInOhio]

thanks truthseeker...I appreciate your response...some of you have been doing this since forever.....

I'm still stuck on what is hidden and across the pond....

Here's something else to consider about some of the Shango posts.  The following was posted by the nickname Robalo33:

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

Meaning: I like to better spend times with a woman like you Simian


Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

Meaning: Simian your I do not speak to anything of veridad todavia
ta always the same case with you cabron?


At 11:48 on June 27 Shango uses the term austrolopithecus.  At 02:10 am on June 28 Robalo33 uses that very same term, yet does not attribute it to Shango.  He immediately posts again at 02:13 am to attribute the use of this term to Shango.

Seems Shango may have posted under more than one name.

Of course Shango and Simian were multiple personalities.  Why do you think they are so hard to understand.  Just look at Caps posts about Shango and Simian...btw Simian and Merian were one and the same or at the same computer posting on different dates.  I have no doubt...remember our candidates for Shango are as varied as our candidates for Dirty Hand. 

Across the pond...well depends on who you ask...I always thought they meant Netherlands...but to some Americans it means Britain and to others it might mean the USA. To an Aruban is would have a different meaning than to someone posting from Florida...hint, hint.  Now, I wonder what Caps thinks it means?  I wonder who Caps thinks is Dirty Hand?  I want someone to prove to me that van der Straaten is NOT dirty hand.  So we can say Babalu was wrong in that assumption.  I am rambling again. Sorry.

Simian/Mirian ... one and the same or at he same computer..would lead me to believe that the same message was trying to be given...ie Freddy is the 5th. suspect...tying in the Simian's 5th suspect and Mirian's 'famous pic'. Nah...way too simple!

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...was Simian's ISP from Florida or Aruba?  I thought Shango's was Florida, but not necessary to mean Shango was in Florida...but again I think you have said otherwise....another fuzzy brain day....

I'm still on 'across the pond'...LOL...and of course Freddy's family reunion...bet Ernesto was there....sorry, the Florida reference...I wonder where Freddy is?

Lala's when Simian says 'across the pond' as an Aruban I think he is referring to Holland or should be....but it doesn't quite fit into his posts...will ponder it some more

[Lala'sMom]

Icehawk
I should add...most of the versions are here in the Shango thread...it would take a while to find them all.  My search capabilities are limited since the changeover.

Hi Lala'sMom.


Is this the right thread?

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html




One straight path

to the house of Rave,

while of gold bricks

the road is not paved,

answers mysterious lie within

magical letters which spell sin

XTC DNA


Something Involing Natalee  =   sin

XTC DNA  =  ?

Hey!  How did you know I was looking for that yesterday?  Actually, that is only one version.  It was the gold standard for a while...yet some differ on it now.  My interpretation is that it refers to a place.  I have made Carlos n Charlie's fit it quite well before.  Or it is a house, which could be the Sloots or another location that holds rave parties.  I think the term rave on Aruba is more or less meaning party...that supplies drugs and has lots of music. That would fit pretty much any club there.  When I get a chance I will find you some more versions.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...was Simian's ISP from Florida or Aruba?  I thought Shango's was Florida, but not necessary to mean Shango was in Florida...but again I think you have said otherwise....another fuzzy brain day....

I'm still on 'across the pond'...LOL...and of course Freddy's family reunion...bet Ernesto was there....sorry, the Florida reference...I wonder where Freddy is?

Lala's when Simian says 'across the pond' as an Aruban I think he is referring to Holland or should be....but it doesn't quite fit into his posts...will ponder it some more

Simian=Aruba
Shango=Florida

Some Aruban posters IP appear to be in Florida and other places as well, so without someone with excellent hacker skills I doubt we can be certain...not saying that Klaas is not excellent, mind you.

One thing you might keep in mind about the "across the pond" reference is that could also mean the USA.  It could mean some of the answers are here in the U.S.  That does not necessarily mean that the answers lie in MB as some have said...it could very well mean the answers lie in places such as, oh...let's say Plantation Florida, Brickell Bay, Miami, or other places in the U.S.  Just throwing that out there to muddy the water even more. It's all from Simian's interpretation and without knowing exactly who Simian was or Simian's source, it's hard to tell for certain.

Simian is simple in explanation except that 5th suspect. Shango was cryptic, yet not as complicated as we make it.  Both were talking to an audience without any knowledge of reference.  Now, if you want it to be complicated it can be.  Keep in mind that both Simian and Shango clearly wanted to clear Joran of any wrongdoing and include Paulus.  So is there anything to it all?  Well......