SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...was Simian's ISP from Florida or Aruba?  I thought Shango's was Florida, but not necessary to mean Shango was in Florida...but again I think you have said otherwise....another fuzzy brain day....

I'm still on 'across the pond'...LOL...and of course Freddy's family reunion...bet Ernesto was there....sorry, the Florida reference...I wonder where Freddy is?

Lala's when Simian says 'across the pond' as an Aruban I think he is referring to Holland or should be....but it doesn't quite fit into his posts...will ponder it some more

Simian=Aruba
Shango=Florida

Some Aruban posters IP appear to be in Florida and other places as well, so without someone with excellent hacker skills I doubt we can be certain...not saying that Klaas is not excellent, mind you.

One thing you might keep in mind about the "across the pond" reference is that could also mean the USA.  It could mean some of the answers are here in the U.S.  That does not necessarily mean that the answers lie in MB as some have said...it could very well mean the answers lie in places such as, oh...let's say Plantation Florida, Brickell Bay, Miami, or other places in the U.S.  Just throwing that out there to muddy the water even more. It's all from Simian's interpretation and without knowing exactly who Simian was or Simian's source, it's hard to tell for certain.

Simian is simple in explanation except that 5th suspect. Shango was cryptic, yet not as complicated as we make it.  Both were talking to an audience without any knowledge of reference.  Now, if you want it to be complicated it can be.  Keep in mind that both Simian and Shango clearly wanted to clear Joran of any wrongdoing and include Paulus.  So is there anything to it all?  Well......

Hi Lala's...my problem is fitting all the posts....if I believe all that Simian says, my take on 'across the pond' would tie into other references of 'favorite passtime, hitter or slogger...I can't pick and choose...but then I wonder if Simian wasn't outed and fed false information...

And then, if Simian was fed false information, whose to say that the 5th suspect isn't part of that as well....

I wonder if we'll ever know?

[Lala'sMom]

You can't fit it all...don't even try.  The comments were dependant upon the topic of conversation at the time....as I have said over and over and over....these riddles do not stand alone...they were part of ongoing conversation between many posters.  Sometimes a verse or two is simply answering a question from another poster. Take for instance the verse below..the posters were asking if TES had any luck at the Moko dump area and Simian answered them.  He is saying they got a hit of some kind.  What was the story given by the gamblers?  That is certainly not the Sloots telling them to look in that pond, now is it?

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:59 am
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

[MumInOhio]

You can't fit it all...don't even try.  The comments were dependant upon the topic of conversation at the time....as I have said over and over and over....these riddles do not stand alone...they were part of ongoing conversation between many posters.  Sometimes a verse or two is simply answering a question from another poster. Take for instance the verse below..the posters were asking if TES had any luck at the Moko dump area and Simian answered them.  He is saying they got a hit of some kind.  What was the story given by the gamblers?  That is certainly not the Sloots telling them to look in that pond, now is it?

Simian Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:59 am
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

gamblers...could be Joran, Guido, Andres, Deepak or could be unknown gamblers asked if the young gamblers were in the casino that Monday night, could be neither...I need time to go back and read....in context...sometimes I think I read too much into these posts.

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...I ran across this ... you asked about it a couple of pages back. Old article...interesting read.

    http://earthops.org/rus_mafia_carib.html

[Chata]

Lala's...was Simian's ISP from Florida or Aruba?  I thought Shango's was Florida, but not necessary to mean Shango was in Florida...but again I think you have said otherwise....another fuzzy brain day....

I'm still on 'across the pond'...LOL...and of course Freddy's family reunion...bet Ernesto was there....sorry, the Florida reference...I wonder where Freddy is?

Lala's when Simian says 'across the pond' as an Aruban I think he is referring to Holland or should be....but it doesn't quite fit into his posts...will ponder it some more

Simian=Aruba
Shango=Florida


One thing you might keep in mind about the "across the pond" reference is that could also mean the USA.  It could mean some of the answers are here in the U.S.  That does not necessarily mean that the answers lie in MB as some have said...it could very well mean the answers lie in places such as, oh...let's say Plantation Florida, Brickell Bay, Miami, or other places in the U.S.  Just throwing that out there to muddy the water even more. It's all from Simian's interpretation and without knowing exactly who Simian was or Simian's source, it's hard to tell for certain.

Simian is simple in explanation except that 5th suspect. Shango was cryptic, yet not as complicated as we make it.  Both were talking to an audience without any knowledge of reference.  Now, if you want it to be complicated it can be.  Keep in mind that both Simian and Shango clearly wanted to clear Joran of any wrongdoing and include Paulus.  So is there anything to it all?  Well......

Some thoughts after looking back at some Shango I had saved from another site ... with explanations of what the riddles might mean made by a poster named RINGO.

The fly entered the trap = traps are planned, so was Natalee set up??? Was money owed???Who owed it???

Was she expecting to just have good time/fun??

Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game

dirtyhand=drug flow??? dirty feet= drug transport???
DirtyHand=main player, but who???

gods are talking=bosses of the underworld/Aruban underbelly???

lions=those who live above the law/not controlled or tamed by DirtyHAnd

will they sacrifice the Lamb or the Lion=who will DirtyHand give up??? Joran or the real bad guys??? PVdS pressure???

to make the cowboys smile=is Joran and his confession going to set things right with Americans???

Shango seems to say the boys were not on the beach with Natalee and they lost to the lions in a brutal confrontation???  Everyone knows this, but no one talks??? Why?

There was some more about the old Allegro hotel/casino(The Palace) and Wyndham hotel/casino connection, J2K being scapegoats, etc.

What is the signifcance of the mask seen in the porn video and the pic of Joran with girl and male with mask on???

I am trying to think past what we have been told.  There is more there.  What is it???
Has to be important to have so many trying to divert from the underside of the island.  This is where I think the real truth lies. 

[MumInOhio]

Wow Chata!...This is great....you really should post more often...Thanks for sharing!

[Chata]

Wow Chata!...This is great....you really should post more often...Thanks for sharing!

These are not my unriddlings ... RINGO and some others did the unraveling.

I do think that more is involved and that there are things going on in Aruba that would boggle our minds.  Mine, anyway.  LOL!

My son went to the Ukraine in the late 1990's and came home telling us things that we could hardly take in.  It was all drug/mafia related.  Mum, I read your link and could only nod my head ... same stuff.

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA: Klaasend:

I need a list of the 2004-2005-2006 Aruba Lions Club Directors and member of the board for those years.

DirtyHand = I know how to decode this but I need the list of the names

for all who is interested in SLanderFoot, He the same person....

How to determin that is in his style of writting

Let me explain:

Take the word SLanderFoot split them apart in ( SL ander F oot)
not revers the SL with the F Letters and go get (F ander SL oot )
now take the word (FanderSLoot) and split them again in (Fan der Sloot)

The first word is (Fan) that sounds like a Van.

Now in Dutch his real name is Paul Van der Sloot. or (PVDS)

Now for DirtyHand, Shango uses an other method. Thanks to some old Lodge books that I found.

but first the name list.

[MumInOhio]

Wow Chata!...This is great....you really should post more often...Thanks for sharing!

These are not my unriddlings ... RINGO and some others did the unraveling.

I do think that more is involved and that there are things going on in Aruba that would boggle our minds.  Mine, anyway.  LOL!

My son went to the Ukraine in the late 1990's and came home telling us things that we could hardly take in.  It was all drug/mafia related.  Mum, I read your link and could only nod my head ... same stuff.

Beth did make a short reference to Russia and North Korea in her book...I have always thought this related to the 'shock the world' comment.

I did go a couple of weeks back and find some stuff under DEA Caribbean News... there is quite a bit out there ... just need the time to find it all and read1

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I'm still stuck on Freddy...I know he fits in here somewhere...He's just got to be Lala's 5th Suspect ....

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps...I'm still stuck on Freddy...I know he fits in here somewhere...He's just got to be Lala's 5th Suspect ....

LALA: Klaasend:

If it a young man, than I also need the Junior Lions Club board members of 2004, 2005, 2006

[MumInOhio]

caps...do you want the whole members list or just the directors...I have 2004...all members and 2005-2005 directors

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/ALC_Board_Members_2005-2006.htm

http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2004-2005.htm

[Lala'sMom]

Caps
Do you really think Shango mean a true Lions Club?  As in the International Lions Clubs?

[MumInOhio]

Caps...I'm still stuck on Freddy...I know he fits in here somewhere...He's just got to be Lala's 5th Suspect ....

LALA: Klaasend:

If it a young man, than I also need the Junior Lions Club board members of 2004, 2005, 2006

I can't find a Junior Club??? This is the other link for all members

http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2005-2006.htm

The Directors meet at the Lions Den...

[MumInOhio]

Every time I hear Lions I think of Merian's orange regal visage....

[CapsLockWizard]

 No picture, No name of the board for the Aruba Lions Club.

I have someone checking the Library now...will bring it home soon.

Shango uses Music, Phonetic, letter reversal, Letter insertion, it uses the same technique of The Lodge coding style to decode his text.

By the way Shango = SaHiA NeGrO
and he must be Latin of Puerto Rican.

XTC DNA = Letter insertion and phonetic

Try it

[MumInOhio]

No picture, No name of the board for the Aruba Lions Club.

I have someone checking the Library now...will bring it home soon.

Shango uses Music, Phonetic, letter reversal, Letter insertion, it uses the same technique of The Lodge coding style to decode his text.

By the way Shango = SaHiA NeGrO
and he must be Latin of Puerto Rican.

XTC DNA = Letter insertion and phonetic

Try it

Caps ... some of the posters on the main thread have pictures...yesterday there was 2 posted...one of Arends and one of Arendz and their sons. If you know who you are looking for there is a good chance someone has it.

[MumInOhio]

Caps....I found this...

http://www.arubalions.org/Board/board_of_directors.htm

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps...I'm still stuck on Freddy...I know he fits in here somewhere...He's just got to be Lala's 5th Suspect ....

LALA: Klaasend:

If it a young man, than I also need the Junior Lions Club board members of 2004, 2005, 2006

I can't find a Junior Club??? This is the other link for all members

http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2005-2006.htm

The Directors meet at the Lions Den...

The list at the website is just a small list.

There is a Junior Lions Club Aruba. it does exist.

[MumInOhio]

Exotic....DNA?