SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[klaasend]

Not reading back plus I just woke up.  Could PVDS be Dirtyhand? 

[Lala'sMom]

LOL...posting to myself on two threads this morning....

The reason Ari's theory sounds more plausible to me than the Russian/North Korean Mafia one is that I can't see any way that Joran would still be on this earth if the Mafia was involved...thoughts COLUMBO?

I agree with you on Joran's lifespan if involved in the Russian/North Korean connection.  Joran is more of a threat to the local gambling, money laundering mob than the really big stuff.  I am thinking as long as he doesn't finger others for this mess...he is safe for a while.  If he is arrested then things could get very interesting.  I don't see Joran going down for this, but he did confess in such a way as to give him the out he needs.  It is obvious that the OM does not plan on pursuing anything more than a manslaughter charge...I go for the time served scenario myself.

[Lala'sMom]

Not reading back plus I just woke up.  Could PVDS be Dirtyhand? 

I would say he's certainly one of them.

[truthseeker2]

Not reading back plus I just woke up.  Could PVDS be Dirtyhand? 

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

FWIW...I continue to believe that Shango is referring to Van Der Straten when he uses the singular term Dirty Hand.  Shango calls Dirty Hand the babylonian card and the keystone.  Van Der Straten managed the 'investigation' from the very beginning.  I think he did not leave the island until he was sure Natalee would never be found.


For those asking about the term Lions and/or Lion's Den....google flags of the Netherlands.  How many lions do you see?

[truthseeker2]

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[MumInOhio]

Thanks truthseeker...Im glad google doesn't charge...See that...thanks...

Lala's...I found 2 references to an arrest on the 11th...one a blog entry I posted on the main thread and this one...see the headline...but I'm not seeing anything in the article...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/12/national/12aruba.html

[COLOMBO]

LOL...posting to myself on two threads this morning....

The reason Ari's theory sounds more plausible to me than the Russian/North Korean Mafia one is that I can't see any way that Joran would still be on this earth if the Mafia was involved...thoughts COLUMBO?

that's here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect, it must protect the babylonians who have lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys

And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden whispers, plans for the future.
OMERTA

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.

[MumInOhio]

Truthseeker....I only see ONE lion on those flags....but he could belong to the Lions....LOL....

Someone please try those links....

[MumInOhio]

LOL...posting to myself on two threads this morning....

The reason Ari's theory sounds more plausible to me than the Russian/North Korean Mafia one is that I can't see any way that Joran would still be on this earth if the Mafia was involved...thoughts COLUMBO?

that's here:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

Arawaks fear wrath of cowboys for DirtyHand
But babylonians live in teepees too
If the house of babylon is to remain erect, it must protect the babylonians who have lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
babylon will agree to a sacrifice of newer teepee dwellers to prevent the story of dirtyhand being made public
Dirtyhand scares arawaks too
the sacrifice will be the correct sacrifice to appease the gods and cowboys

And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden whispers, plans for the future.
OMERTA

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 10:48 pm
Coverups begin with elders and the founders of the houses of Babylon

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:04 pm
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.

Are you trying to tell me he will be taken out?....Or is that just wishful thinking on my part...

[COLOMBO]

dirty hand:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand

The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.


DirtyHand:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:49 pm
And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle

Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating

Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation   (polis, gov't)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.

DirtyHand is the link (between pimps and polis, gov't)
He holds the real key (hint: the real key=a real key, maybe!!!)

knows the forbidden fruit & gardeners......he sets the table

[CapsLockWizard]

Truthseeker....I only see ONE lion on those flags....but he could belong to the Lions....LOL....

Someone please try those links....

Finaly I get it.

The lions are not of the Lions club

The Lions belong to the government who walk with the shield. They think that the shield can protect them

Remember the word wappun = Shield

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_van_Aruba

Check the lion sitting on top of the shield

so DirtyHand = some one in the Aruba governments.

[MumInOhio]

Truthseeker....I only see ONE lion on those flags....but he could belong to the Lions....LOL....

Someone please try those links....

Finaly I get it.

The lions are not of the Lions club

The Lions belong to the government who walk with the shield. They think that the shield can protect them

Remember the word wappun = Shield

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wapen_van_Aruba

Check the lion sitting on top of the shield

so DirtyHand = some one in the Aruba governments.

Shield=cops

Aruba government + Justice= Rudy Croes

My opinion and a few other only

COLUMBO...I'm thinking.....and puzzling...where's Lala's?

[COLOMBO]

notes: lines of credit

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the note$
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation (gov't polis)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

excerpt-pg 4:
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf

[Chata]

Remember Monkeys...


Dir. = ?
T. = first Name
y = Phonetic in dutch
Hand=Translate in papia mento

He is a bussiness owner and his lastname was the only one on the MEP party.

I really do not know who DirtyHand is but:

Reading back in my notes I found a reference to this same idea (Caps)... someone with their own business, powerful person on the island.  3 names come to mind as maybe fitting this ... Contreras/Cuntreras family, Monsur family (not necessarily Jossy), and the Posner family.

On another blog, from my notes, it was suggested that Jan Van der Straaten was not a power player, but was aware of all that happened on the island.  Did not participate as it would make him vulnerable, but that he might not be above taking bribes???

Now some questions:

How are Aruba and Curacao connected???  Sex trade is a possibility???

Shango makes many references to gambling, so what/who is the link to the casinos???  What is the connection to Natalee???  Did she owe money???  Or was she the owed money???

Is the maze a casino circuit??? Providing any and all entertainment (raves) to the high stakes players (lions)???

Was Natalee taken to the Palace at the Allegro (hotel closed, casino open-follow the misic)??? If so, why and by whom???  Joran???  If so, for what purpose???

What/who connects the Allegro and Wyndham???  Were the HI and Wyndham the only casinos that Joran ( the wanna be lion) gambled???  Why was he allowed, at 17???  Who/what was his connection???

Something is just not right with Joran and his confession ... I'm still thinking and reading back.

[Chata]

Colombo quoted Shango:

The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice for the Arawaks and the cowboys.


This is why I think there is something wrong with Jorans confession ... too pat!!!

It is what everyone has been waiting to hear, offers explainations, ties it all up ... too neatly.  IMO!

Also, the elders walk in older circles, reference could be refering to the games previously/still played in other countries and brought forward to Aruba.  Elites/powerful men.

Still thinking here.

[COLOMBO]

Chata:

had a thought regarding circles......family circles? circles of power? perhaps both!

excerpt:
Aruba's reputation as a 'Mafia island' became public in March 1993 when it was described by the Italian daily Corriere della Sera as 'the first state to be bought by the bosses Cosa Nostra'. (7) The Sicilian Mafia clan of the families Cuntrera and Caruana allegedly had taken over the island. Between 1988 and 1992 they acquired 60 per cent of Aruba through investments in hotels, casino's and the election-campaign of a Prime Minister. Aruba looked set to be the first independent state under Mafia control.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba


excerpt:
Aruba is controlled by the sicilian mafia -- all judges are bought -- the judge in training - the boy's father, is part of the Cuntrera family - the sicilian mafia top dogs -- they control all of aruba - they control judges, police - and all intelligence -
http://thesearchfornatalee.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-mafia-sold-natalee-to-sex-slave.html

[MumInOhio]

My simple opinion on Joran's confession is that he now actually believes what he has said.

A distant? relative can tell the biggest whoppers and I have listened and heard them grow for 25 years. This person would no doubt pass a lie-detector test because she believes every word that has been said. This person is convinced that the 'stories' are the truth!

The only other options to that are: he's telling the truth....or it's a setup!!!

Because I lean to more involved than just Joran and "Daury" my opinion is that he now believe's what he's saying.....subject to change though...

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

[Chata]

Chata:

had a thought regarding circles......family circles? circles of power? perhaps both!
excerpt:
Aruba's reputation as a 'Mafia island' became public in March 1993 when it was described by the Italian daily Corriere della Sera as 'the first state to be bought by the bosses Cosa Nostra'. (7) The Sicilian Mafia clan of the families Cuntrera and Caruana allegedly had taken over the island. Between 1988 and 1992 they acquired 60 per cent of Aruba through investments in hotels, casino's and the election-campaign of a Prime Minister. Aruba looked set to be the first independent state under Mafia control.
http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?page=archives_tblick_aruba


excerpt:
Aruba is controlled by the sicilian mafia -- all judges are bought -- the judge in training - the boy's father, is part of the Cuntrera family - the sicilian mafia top dogs -- they control all of aruba - they control judges, police - and all intelligence -http://thesearchfornatalee.blogspot.com/2005/11/aruban-mafia-sold-natalee-to-sex-slave.html

Exactly!!!

Lawyers, as in US spokesperson.  IMO!

Mum,
I also believe that Joran believes his own stories, whatever/however they come forth at any given time.  That doesn't mean I do and I hope he is not fooling all the people all the time.

[COLOMBO]

Chata:

so,
"Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak (LE), you still have DirtyHand"

"The fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the arawaks to play it"

the notion of playing cards confused me......but Shango's references to card games are the LE bringing the heat down on the suspects!

Indeed, the maze of babylon is difficult for the supposed guilty

Why did the girl owe money?

DirtyHand knows
so does the elder (fallen judge)!