SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Chata]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

You mean somwhere besides Carlos and Charlies???  With/for someone???

[COLOMBO]

elders of the game, not just of babylon, walk in older circles

1) "the game"  (see above ref: pimpin)
2) "Cards"  (LE)

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

You mean somwhere besides Carlos and Charlies???  With/for someone???

may be a fascinating question!

[MumInOhio]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

The MB'ers apparently went to C&Cs on the Friday night I believe. Is this where she ran into GVC? Not sure on the facts on that right now.

It has crossed my mind a few times lately that the 'earlier in the week' and 'the girl owed money' could have been someone else. I'm sure you read the posts and saw the pics.

We have never been able to get around that 'earlier in the week' as Nat only arrived on Thursday and from what I've read they didn't do anything that night.

Got a really sick feeling about it....

[MumInOhio]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

You mean somwhere besides Carlos and Charlies???  With/for someone???

may be a fascinating question!

COLUMBO...I don't remember that reference by Mos....remember I'm a reader...not a video person. Is that where you recall it from? TIA

[Chata]

Chata:

so,
"Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak (LE), you still have DirtyHand"

"The fallen judge and the singing card (DirtyHand) are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the arawaks to play it"

the notion of playing cards confused me......but Shango's references to card games are the LE bringing the heat down on the suspects!

Indeed, the maze of babylon is difficult for the supposed guilty

Why did the girl owe money?

DirtyHand knows
so does the elder (fallen judge)!

Did the US lawyer make noise when he appeared on TV???  Warning???  Have some of the weird deaths in Aruba been warnings???

Why did the girl owe money???

Also, I still would like to know the significance of the masks that are in some of the photos floating around and purported to have been worn by an older man being intimate with Natalee ... this from someone who is supposed to have viewed a video with Natalee on it???

Colombo,

I also found a reference to Simian being connected to music ... Simian sound equipment.  Mobil sound equipment ... maybe used at raves???  The music man???

Be back in a few hours.

[MumInOhio]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

You mean somwhere besides Carlos and Charlies???  With/for someone???

may be a fascinating question!

And are we now back to the 5th suspect. Who did she dance with, where...Natalee was a dancer!

I wish we could see those 302's...

Thurs...they didn't do much from what I've read.
Friday...C&Cs
Saturday....the snorkeling and stayed at the hotel.
Sunday...C&Cs

From what I've read...this was all I could find.

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

You mean somwhere besides Carlos and Charlies???  With/for someone???

may be a fascinating question!

And are we now back to the 5th suspect. Who did she dance with, where...Natalee was a dancer!

I wish we could see those 302's...

Thurs...they didn't do much from what I've read.
Friday...C&Cs
Saturday....the snorkeling and stayed at the hotel.
Sunday...C&Cs

From what I've read...this was all I could find.

are young flies conned into venus flytraps?

[Nut44x4]

From BFN:


Aristotle wrote:

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I am going to go out on a limb here.  This is only my opinion, like it or not, i don't care.  I reread shango recently and after devries "confession" by joran, i finally think i understand what shango was saying.  IMO joran is still lying to protect others.  IMO Mos should go to Bonaire and question vanderstraten.  I won't bore you with my line by line translations, but here is the gist. (and by the way, more than one source in aruba have confirmed that they have heard that these parties DO exist).

long ago in holland, a tradition was started where older influential men would meet and party..drugs, etc., and a younger girl or girls would be brought to them to satisfy their sexual pleasures.  Some of those men over the years transplanted to Aruba, yet they kept up the tradition, allowing others into their "group." These others likely consist of politicians and others in "power" positions.

there was one of these parties held in May 2005.  The "guest of honor" at this party...the young girl... was natalee.  She was lured to the party by joran.  The 2k dropped them off, as the 2k were not permitted at the party.  Something bad happened to natalee at the party.  joran was not the one who directly harmed her...he just lead her to this party.  Paulus and Vanderstraten know about these parties, and this party in particular.  Vanderstraten knows who harmed natalee. Other members of the ALE attend these parties as well.  joran cannot tell the truth about what happened to natalee because to do so would expose all of these other people.  Many of the politicians and policemen of aruba, and others...possibly judges, attorneys, etc., would lose their jobs over this and tourism would decline because tourists would not feel safe on an island littered with crooked cops.

the searches, arrests, court proceedings, etc. have been orchestrated to deceive the Americans/world and hide the truth about the island. everything, right down to joran's recent "confession" has been a sham, smoke and mirrors and a horse and pony show.  The ALE knows that the Americans/world is not going to let this go until someone is blamed for natalee's death.  joran is the obvious scapegoat because he was last seen with her and did not cause her death, so he can't be found guilty of that. 

the truth of Shango's posts will remain hidden, as will the truth about what happened to natalee until these parties and their participants are exposed.  According to shango, Vanderstraten did not participate directly in these parties, but he knew about them and did not shut them down.

IMO all of the people involved in these parties, and this party in particular, should be held accountable as they have misdirected the "investigation" from the start and up to the present time.  The question is, will Mos break the case wide open by exposing this, or is he a participant in these parties and/or the cover up?

Not so far fetched at all vms. I think msany of us have thought along these lines at one time or another. Don't forget about the skeeeeeery hindu--witch doctor--masks too! Part of the sick ritual, imo.

[MumInOhio]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

You mean somwhere besides Carlos and Charlies???  With/for someone???

may be a fascinating question!

And are we now back to the 5th suspect. Who did she dance with, where...Natalee was a dancer!

I wish we could see those 302's...

Thurs...they didn't do much from what I've read.
Friday...C&Cs
Saturday....the snorkeling and stayed at the hotel.
Sunday...C&Cs

From what I've read...this was all I could find.

are young flies conned into venus flytraps?

Do you think she was conned into something because of her dancing?...A movie...or so she thought...someone had to be watching her...or at least talking to her or her friends....?

[COLOMBO]

I do not believe that Shango & Simian's use of these terms is coincidental

in each case it does not directly refer to NH as doing the dancing

as a dancer would she need to be conned? or asked?

takes me back to an earlier post:

http://www.group-sales.com/resorts/aruba/wyndham_aruba.php

Open from midday until the early hours[SMALL HOURS], this "Gaming Paradise" offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games[SPEND YOUR NIGHTS AT THEIR TABLES], in a glamorous, glittering Arabic [BABYLONIAN] atmosphere.
We have 317 state-of-the-art slot machines, all with comfortable seats for extended play. Also, for your enjoyment, we offer complimentary beverage and cocktail service. Our slot machines include a variety of models and coin denominations (5 cents to $25) which appeal to every player, including electronic video games and the newest technology, multi-game touch screens. We also have reelers, crisscrosses, multiples, progressive/specialty machines, and video poker.



Our table games include:

Nine blackjack tables, one of the most popular and simple games
Two craps tables, the exciting, fast-paced, action-packed dice game
Three double-zero roulette tables
One baccarat table plus one mini-baccarat table
Three Caribbean stud poker tables, Let It Ride and three-card poker
We also feature a special [liONS] high limit exclusive area[for high ROLLers], with an additional roulette table, three blackjack tables, one baccarat table and a Caribbean stud poker table.

The Ca$ino Bar offers specialty drink favorites (TRAGIC MANSPORT)  and live [FOLLOW THE] music which will keep the rhythm of the night pumping . You can also enjoy watching your favorite sports teams on our multiple-screen television.

For those of you that are "Slot Players", be sure to inquire with our Casino Promotions Desk about our special MVP membership club. We offer a daily promotion which is specially designed to give you the most probabilities to walk away with your pockets filled with merchandise, cash, restaurant discount coupons, weekend stays and even a new car["MAGIC TRANSPORT" BUT THE ROAD IS NOT PAVED]!

[Debra]

I'm not sure who Simian considers to be the 5th suspect
She does post about a "wild & crazy boy" (at start of vacation) jealous of Joran
GVC tried to dance with Natalee on Friday night

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots?
The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Could just be a figure of speech
Was the alibi for another?

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

That he is not a part of this "brotherhood" And watches from a distance

[Chata]

I do not believe that Shango & Simian's use of these terms is coincidentalin each case it does not directly refer to NH as doing the dancing

as a dancer would she need to be conned? or asked?

takes me back to an earlier post:

http://www.group-sales.com/resorts/aruba/wyndham_aruba.php

Open from midday until the early hours[SMALL HOURS], this "Gaming Paradise" offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games[SPEND YOUR NIGHTS AT THEIR TABLES], in a glamorous, glittering Arabic [BABYLONIAN] atmosphere.
We have 317 state-of-the-art slot machines, all with comfortable seats for extended play. Also, for your enjoyment, we offer complimentary beverage and cocktail service. Our slot machines include a variety of models and coin denominations (5 cents to $25) which appeal to every player, including electronic video games and the newest technology, multi-game touch screens. We also have reelers, crisscrosses, multiples, progressive/specialty machines, and video poker.



Our table games include:

Nine blackjack tables, one of the most popular and simple games
Two craps tables, the exciting, fast-paced, action-packed dice game
Three double-zero roulette tables
One baccarat table plus one mini-baccarat table
Three Caribbean stud poker tables, Let It Ride and three-card poker
We also feature a special [liONS] high limit exclusive area[for high ROLLers], with an additional roulette table, three blackjack tables, one baccarat table and a Caribbean stud poker table.

The Ca$ino Bar offers specialty drink favorites (TRAGIC MANSPORT)  and live [FOLLOW THE] music which will keep the rhythm of the night pumping . You can also enjoy watching your favorite sports teams on our multiple-screen television.

For those of you that are "Slot Players", be sure to inquire with our Casino Promotions Desk about our special MVP membership club. We offer a daily promotion which is specially designed to give you the most probabilities to walk away with your pockets filled with merchandise, cash, restaurant discount coupons, weekend stays and even a new car["MAGIC TRANSPORT" BUT THE ROAD IS NOT PAVED]!

I agree. 

Look where the ad refers you to ... the Wyndham!!  Casino!!  With an exclusive area for the high rollers!!!  Lots to offer guests.  Wonder what else a guest could request and get??? 

Every question brings another to mind.

Back to thinking about it.

Caps you have been very quiet ... who is DirtyHand, in your opinon???

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

Could you repost that link from RWV about LVR & SGC being brought in????

tx

[COLOMBO]

Chata:

no telling what is on the menu in the exclusive VIP area
 

[Debra]

The Allegro Hotel? (allegro=music)

Hotel was closed/under construction
Top floors-timeshares-open
Rendevouz Casino (for locals)
2 Security guards, Haley worked there
Underground parking area

[Observer]

Mum:

I remember Mos careful statement that included a suggestion of - perhaps if there were a movie- or something along those lines

a few other clues:

Simian: Who said the alibi played for Van der Sloots? The fifth suspect is waltzing away......

Shango: Shango has not danced with the lions......

by any chance did NH dance? earlier in the week perhaps?

The MB'ers apparently went to C&Cs on the Friday night I believe. Is this where she ran into GVC? Not sure on the facts on that right now.

It has crossed my mind a few times lately that the 'earlier in the week' and 'the girl owed money' could have been someone else. I'm sure you read the posts and saw the pics.

We have never been able to get around that 'earlier in the week' as Nat only arrived on Thursday and from what I've read they didn't do anything that night.

Got a really sick feeling about it....

Yes,the info is foggy but I recall that GVC was grinding up against Natalee at there first trip to C&C..Might have been a confrontation after that? We heard Deepak,GVC and Joran fought with a MB teen. Not sure exactly who it was if anyone.

Also:If you look at the archives of RWV at about July 25th,so many rumors and speculation. But they talk about the dead dogs..Saying Lorenzo killed them,one sacraficed by the bloody mattress,another in a bag at the allegro where they were searching for Natalee..Someone speculates it was santeria or whatever that religeon is. Which reminds me of hotshot,when she was leaving Aruba and the blood on the sidewalk as she entered her terminal..

[CapsLockWizard]

We have been search Thinking Like America... We need to think duct and a lot new info comes up but in dutch

Lios = Leeuwen
Lion = Leeuw
Geheim = Secrets
VDA = Veiligheid Diend Aruba (Aruba Secret Service)
Government=Overheid

Dirty=Vuil or Vuile

so search for "Aruba Vuile Overheid leeuwen"

or search for "Aruba Overheid geheim"

[Debra]

re: The Allegro Hotel ("Follow the Music"?)

Joran's photo was labelled "Our friend's from Barcelona"
Then he removed the label

3 of the 4 owners of the Allegro come from Spain
1 from Barcelona, Spain

[Buckeye]

Alfonso Riversol was involved with both the Allegro and the Wyndham, in 2005.