SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

One more thing...how did Simian know that there was a cell call placed at 2 in the morning?  That has always bothered me there....thinking out loud again.

[Debra]

That Wednesday Satish and I stayed until 01:45 at Joran's watching tv.
My mother called angry and said that we had to come home. When I walked
outside Joran asked Satish if he would come the next day to cut Joran's
hair. "Supposedly" this is the night J2K return a camera to Freddy...
And Joran is worried about his hair?!

On the way to the car Joran said to me: Do you remember the way back
from the Holiday Inn? I said yes, we have dropped off the girl and we
have brought you to your home. First lie Joran asked from Deepak on Tuesday am.
He said: Come to my room for a while, I will explain to you on a piece of paper, it is very important. He told me that I should remember (what we had done) after we had dropped the girl off, Where? I had to say that we drove off from the hotel (Holiday Inn) and had driven into a North-East direction
(Joran's house) and not in a South-West direction, this to prevent that police would go and check camera's of the other hotels and would see that we had not driven to the HI. After that I told him ok and we went home.

IMO...most likely the Wyndham as Joran "mixes up" the Radisson & Wyndham...which one he was gambling at to "be on camera"
Deepak parked at the Wyndham Monday night.

[MumInOhio]

Sorry...I don't know where the "White House" reference came from on here.
The Moko Apts was posted as a possibility of "illicit apts"/ white house & I'm adding the Wyndham apts as a possibility.

Now I am on a search to find out...LOL  I never thought about it's origins.

Maybe COLUMBO knows....I'm thinking the 46th spirit and what he told me when I asked how the Wyndham got to be the 46th...it's 46th on the hotel list.
Casablaca=white house and the loesge posts...other than that I have no clue???

[MumInOhio]

One more thing...how did Simian know that there was a cell call placed at 2 in the morning?  That has always bothered me there....thinking out loud again.

I don't know...interesting!

Debra I will check on that...I have a tab open with PVs, but have a little going on right now....

[truthseeker2]

Sorry...I don't know where the "White House" reference came from on here.
The Moko Apts was posted as a possibility of "illicit apts"/ white house & I'm adding the Wyndham apts as a possibility.

Now I am on a search to find out...LOL  I never thought about it's origins.

Maybe COLUMBO knows....I'm thinking the 46th spirit and what he told me when I asked how the Wyndham got to be the 46th...it's 46th on the hotel list.
Casablaca=white house and the loesge posts...other than that I have no clue???

Does anyone remember this post by tidycat:

[tidycat
Scared Monkey


Oh, and when I followed the above link to Lorenzo's tickle site, I noticed that under the pics of his friends it said, "see all 46." Which of course brought to mind Shango's 46th spirit and 46 sacrifices. (Yes, I know...I should post this elsewhere.) ]

I have this saved but for some reason I did not save the time stamp for her post.  I posted in another site back then and I had shown this to fellow posters there in 08/28/05.  She did not include the link to the tickle site.

[MumInOhio]

Debra...it appears the Raddisson is where Deepak was parked....or so J says.

Guido and I arrived at the Raddison Casino. I went to play poker. I was busy playing poker when I was called by Andre. He asked me where I was. I had told him that I was at the Raddison Hotel. He told me he would come by there. Deepak had also asked me where I was. I told him that I was at the Raddison Casino. Deepak told me that he would be there as soon as possible. At approximately 01.00 am Deepak came over to me. Andre was there too. I was on a roll. I played for about another hour. At approximately 02.00 am I stopped playing. I had "cashed out" my chips. Deepak wanted to go and play black jack. I didn't know why but he wanted to go to the Wyndham Casino. According to him he had no luck at the Raddison Casino. At approximately 02.30 am, Deepak and myself were walking to his car. He was there in his Honda Civic. The car was parked in the parking lot of the Raddison Hotel. Guido left to take Andre home.

We drove towards the Wyndham Casino. When we were just about to get out of the car, my father called.

[MumInOhio]

Truthseeker...I wonder if Tidycat remembers anymore about that post. It is interesting as on all the old blogs I see people saying no tickle site for him. I have been trying to go back over the RBNs and the old front page, but there is just not enough time.

I'm sure if I run across it I will save it....LOL

[COLOMBO]

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - Aruban authorities have arrested a new suspect in the case of missing Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, the prosecutor’s office announced Friday.

The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender.

The arrest was made at 6:25 a.m. local time, the office stated.

Qouted from the MSN webpage located here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8218429/
Posted by: Hman | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 12:47 PM

So as I understand it -

1)fourth guy was taken into custody last night and was being questioned.

2)fifth guy arrested this morning (different from guy above).

I have heard two names "lorenzo" and "person with initials SGC"...

Is this correct and can anyone tell which one is which?

Posted by: Florida Girl | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 01:04 PM






Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

[vms]

vms or Nut ... did aristotle elaborate any more on his posts? I know he said he didn't wnat to be a bore, but some of us would find them quite interesting...I'm sure.   TIA

Aristotle wrote:

here is the most telling part:

casanostra Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:35 am
I picked the casanostra as a name after doing much research as to their relationship to the island of Aruba and the drug trade, as well as other things that go along with it. Do some googling and find out for yourself. I think that Natalie is alive and that there are people on the island, and those that pass through the island that no one wants to mess with. There lies the predicament. You have a criminal element more powerful than the authorities and a chess game is being played. I think Joran is being protected, but he is also guilty of something. Not murder, but leading Natalie into something very sinister. I apologize if my speculation is in any way disrespectful to she or her family, but I find this very intriguing and it goes much deeper than what is implied on television.

Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:36 am
Casanostra is standing at a window looking onto Babylon…



whereas others were merely opening windows to the truth with their guesses about vanderstraten, etc., casanostra was STANDING there staring the truth right in the face.
 

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Mum,

Thank you for responding yesterday on the other thread. Just decided it was best to leave well enough alone...

[Lala'sMom]

VMS
Your post reminded me of something I have been meaning to post here.  KEEP IN MIND some of these posts are not from the same IP address as most of Simian's posts were.  Klaasend would know more about how to explain it, but since we are pulling out all the stops here...I think it bears looking at once again.

subdude on June 30th, 2005 12:31 am

Simian Says:

June 29th, 2005 at 4:18 pm
A Babylonian capo whispered to me. They have too much on the boy and the Hindus.

June 29th, 2005 at 4:29 pm This one Babylonian is a sure shot. The boy and the Hindus are closer than you would think. They believe all of their fingers are burned. The Babylonians think she’s on her way to Panama with the help of the Carib.

4:18 post: Simian says he has an informer that is a head of some Aruban branch of government: Commissioner, police chief. “Too much” could mean either too focused on JVDS/Kalpoes or a wealth of evidence against JVDS/Kalpoes

4:29 post: Aruban head of government is reliable — a “sure shot”. JVDS and Hindus are more involved that we think. Since they do not get outside information in jail, they do not know information like PVDS or Croes have been released. They think that information has come out that connects them to the drugs/prostitution ring. This ring is consistent with Shango’s statements about what goes on at the house (suggested drugs and prostitution, e.g. “honey laden notes”, “raves”, Mary was no virgin, etc…)

JVDS and Kalpoes are involved in prostitution/drugs ring themselves, not just getting dope from the dealers.

The Arubans think NH is on the way to Panama with the help of? Who is the Carib?

Ladies and gents, the police chief is resigning as the focus turns towards drugs and prostitution. Again I ask, coincidence? Not likely.

[Lala'sMom]

Found this also...just wanted to post it in case we ever need it for reference again...no comments from me at this time. A lot of this may or may not have been debunked by now. This is not my info...it is from a poster named new girl.

new girl on June 30th, 2005 12:42 am

The content of my post from last night about Lorenzo, all of which is compiled from message board postings. I did not author these. I am posting them anyway, for no reason other than because they may be important. I only want to find an answer for the Holloways. OKAY, here’s more “Lorenzo” posts:

According to AmericaninAruba, Lorenzo has a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro.

Per AmericaninAruba:

The Lorenzo guy who was questioned yesterday is known for having underground parties at one of his houses. The house is rather isolated and surrounded by lots of brush & cactus.

A poster from Aruba on Scared Monkeys is claiming that in addition to SGC, there was another guy detained yesterday. This other guy, Lorenzo, is known to be wild and crazy, especially since his father killed himself a few years ago, according to the poster.

The other person, a “Lorenzo” who was allegedly questioned yesterday, is a crazy dude whose father owned the local VW dealership but the father offed himself a few years ago.

the lorenzo character - hsi father owned the Vwagen distributor here….but after his father committed suicide they family sold th ebusiness…

teh SBC (this mornigns arrest) - i have no idea!!!

The lorenzo guy reportedly has connections to drugs and parties. The

Someone named Lorenzo was detained and questioned yesterday, but we don’t think he has been arrested yet. He is known to be a nutcase, maybe capable of something. His dad owned the Volkswagon dealership there but committed suicide 3 years ago and was found hanging in the hallway of their home. Finally, someone suggested that maybe Natalee was taken to an “underground party”. Other posters have explained that these parties are thrown after the bars close, that they are supposed to get permissions before they have them, that the police quickly close down any parties that don’t have permission, but that Lorenzo lives out away from town and does throw parties and the police don’t close those down as easily.

This “Lorenzo” kid’s name was mentioned from the very beginning..In fact it is the first name I heard when this whole thing started…. My guess is that he must have been involved with her sometime during her trip, and that they are now bringing in EVERYBODY that had come in contact with her…. (from what I hear, “lorenzo” is ONE troublemaker…… )I don’t know him, but I know he has had problems with the law before…..something about a fight at one of his parties….can’t remember the details…

does anyone one remember the first couple of night we were all talk ing someone said basically, “when this all shakes out there are going to be major ramifications, there are ppl involved that are high up”.. and it aint gonna be pretty….sounds like this guy knew something about the actual crime…this was post in the other area before we had this forum.. does anyone remeber and also, do you know who this might have been…

I don’t know if his name is Lorenzo or not…
But from the very beginning “the son of an ex Vwagen dealer” was somehow involved….. He was the first one mentioned….

rvmaui

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:54 am Post subject: missing girl

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Blue Volkswagon. maybe van or sedan?
High Road.Dead End. National Park
black plastic bag. moist in a dry area.
2 bulders.
leg twisted back.

Thats all i got.
I’m a little sick now.
I hope they find her.

rvmaui

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3

Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:32 pm Post subject: missing girl

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A bird could lead the way to the location of her body. or a bird watcher.

what I mean by moist in a dry area, or what I see is an area that is normally dry and water some times splashes or drips on the location.

DNA to be found in a blue volkswagon? not sure I see a blue hatchback of a vehicle with the emblem of volkswagon I think. not blood.

I could be full of shit.

[Lala'sMom]

Michoo on June 30th, 2005 12:50 am

about shango:

Shango is the deity, orisha whose power is imaged by thunder and lightning. As the legendary fourth king of the ancient kingdom of Oyo, Shango’s rule was marked by capricious use of power. One account asserts that Shango was fascinated with magical powers. He inadvertently caused a thunderstorm and lightning struck his own palace killing many of his wives and children. In repentence he left his kingdom and travelled to Koso where he hung himself. When his enemies cast scorn upon his name, a rash of storms destroyed parts of Oyo. Shango’s followers proclaimed him a god and that the storms were Shago’s wrath, avenging his enemies.

“All of the stories concerning Shango represent the theme of power-capricious, authoritative, procreative, destructive, magical, medicinal, and moral power. Shango’s staff visualizes the unpredictable and violent power of the deity. This power is personified through dance. At the annual festival for Shango, an entranced devotee, the elegunshango , dances to the piercing, staccato rhythms of the bata drum and waves the staff, oshe , with violent and threatening gestures and then suddenly draws it to himself in a motion of quiet composure.”

[Lala'sMom]

Michoo on June 30th, 2005 1:05 am

it is part of a religion found in Yorubaland, Nigeria. some of yoruba tradition/rituals are found in the carib and in South America (brazil)b/c many yorubians/yorubans were taken as slaves and transported to the carib and S.A. but i think this shango/simian person is one in the same. it is a college kid messing around with our minds. the shango story is very well known with people who study west africa.

[Lala'sMom]

Michoo on June 30th, 2005 1:24 am

alcatl Says:

June 30th, 2005 at 1:16 am
maybe Shango is Larenzo which leads back to my theory that a psychopath always likes to lead people back to his crime…Shango you know is here he is just either under a different name or not speaking…either way…these boys down in aruba are more arrogant than intelligent…unless you have a point in doing it stop telling them how wise they are…justice will come in some form or fashion…KARMA won’t let you get away with something like this…

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this shango character is arrogant b/c he thinks of himself as the fourth ruler of Yoruba a god. but i am telling you these are college kids who had to take a traditions class in school, and they are messing w/us.

[Lala'sMom]

As most of you know I prefer to post things with context for reference as to why something was said...so here is a lot to read with a few things of interest thrown in. These are actual FP posts from this time period...nothing is made up here...don't shoot the messenger, please.



#  subdude on June 30th, 2005 1:39 am

Kristy and Jutin T:

Was she hanging out with a group of gampbellers during the three or four nights before her disappearance? Aruban gampbellers, men, not people from AL on the trip.

Please answer and please check with your people. Is it likely there is videotape from the kaseeno showing this? Again, I am not judging. Man, if you knew my history, you would know I am not judging.


# alcatl on June 30th, 2005 1:40 am

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# Ari on June 30th, 2005 1:40 am

Kristi:

The lie detector thing was all over here and Dan Riehls and the Websleuths, but I don’t recall if it was from the channels or from a newspaper.


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 1:40 am

Justin T: Still out there?


# Justin T on June 30th, 2005 1:40 am

subdude,

NO that was anther rumor that got started somehow.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 1:41 am

YES, Bethany! That is what I thought! I think he was baring his soul. I think the little bit of a smile was an embarassed one. Like, yes I have been a lowlife, but I didn’t kill her.


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 1:41 am

Justin T:

The kaseeno thing was a rumor?


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:41 am

I wasnt there …..

Shango/Simian stated … the revenge of a scorned lover ….

I dont recall the exact phrase

I believe she was playin the kaseeno … pun intended


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:42 am

Thanks watcher!!


# T K on June 30th, 2005 1:44 am

Justin

Was there anyone on the trip with her that might have been upset or jealous that she was hanging out with Joran?


# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 1:45 am

I’m starting to buy into the idea that these guys (Joran and the brothers) are being kept safe from Lorenzo and crew. But what about the parents? Why are they safe? Do they not know anything at all or are they not at risk from Lorenzo because so much attention is on their homes? If that’s the case, that wouldn’t Joran also be safe at home? Or would his release cause the media to go away, causing things to go back to normal? What kind of journalists are Greta and Geraldo that they don’t have enough sense/nerve to go check out Lorenzo’s rave house?


# Justin T on June 30th, 2005 1:45 am

Subdude,

There were locals and everyone else at the tables. Someone I know started this thing that Natalee was hanging out with some coloumbian drug lord or something. That didn’t happen.


# hope on June 30th, 2005 1:46 am

I agree, Joran is being protected in custody


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:46 am

Interesting how all the pictures that were taken whilst on vacation were apprehended/confiscated by the parents or chaperones .. not LE. and that they were not to be developed.

This is what I hear.

My senior trip …. if i was to take pictures … there is no way im turning over my memories. Regardless. Doesnt that make you a little curious to know what might have been photographed. I mean just a bunch of party girls/guys. but why hide the pictures.

Im sure Mr. Justin can correct me.


# Ari on June 30th, 2005 1:46 am

Michoo:

He didn’t leave her on the beach, nor HI, that is a lie. He took her to a party, but he doesn’t dare say that - his life is at stake if he does. Incidentally, this is the sort of thing that Beth suspects and waiting it out hoping that 3 boys will confess is a joke of an investigation. It seems that if this is the case they are stuck. Joran and the others will keep silent until the end.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 1:46 am

Can anyone tell me if this “Lorenzo” has been discussed by any of the news people? Is he only someone whos been mentioned on this board, or does he actually exsist? I never heard about him except on this site.


# Justin T on June 30th, 2005 1:47 am

not as in someone “I” know but someone I understand started the rumor about hanging with gambler or something


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 1:47 am

Justin T: Thanks for being on here. You must know more than you can share.

So far, your comments (to my recollection) have been strictly limited to telling people when things are not accurate. It seems you can’t offer info.

Know that most, if not all, of us are trying to help.

See if you can’t share something more.

My tel is (954) 614-9453 anytime. I know I am a fool to post it, but . . . .

Night all, I’m wupped.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:47 am

You cannot hear the music in the daytime. Shango says.

Joran is being held possibly for protection, but also due to the pressure from the media and the states.

I bet Aruba will be glad when the media leaves.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 1:48 am

The parents are safe as long as the boys keep their mouths shut. That is why “the lamb is biting his tongue bloody”.


# hope on June 30th, 2005 1:49 am

Ari, I agree these boys got in way over their head trying to impress a beautiful girl. Can you really blame the Dad for advising them? They are not afraid of the courts or the US….this goes WAY up.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 1:49 am

All of Shango’s information comes from the higher power, Olorum

Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company

Eyes of god may look from afar with great acuity.

The resolution to find Mary lies with the Arawak Nation

Dirty Hand has bound the Arawak Nation with Babylonian Rope

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,

while the lions pace silently in the bush.

Dirty Hand is the link!

The lamb, the shivas, the elder whispering, exiting like theives in the night, clothed with invisible armor

If Dirty Hand falls, so does Babylon, but too, the Arawak Nation shall suffer.

Threadsurfers listen!

The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched.

The Lamb has sins, but the lions have sharper teeth.

A new key must be found to open unknown doors.

The first concern of the Arawak nation is wampum.

But unseen tides pull babylonian seas through Arawak Moats, bittering the waters.

DirtyHand and the Lions must see the light of Arawak Day, or forever walk in plentiful fields.

The dead shall eternally sleep if a clamour is not made.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

The rule of the Arawak King is the Final word.

DirtyHand has fouled the air for all nearby, but the Arawak Nation will claim Babylonian Authority prevents them from hunting Lions, and DirtyHand.

But the Arawak king controls destiny of all. The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

The babylonians have ruled the Arawak Nation through deception and stealth, and their charges, the Arawaks, speak now with the same forked tongue, on behalf of their king.

The gift the cowboys ask of the king of the Arawak Nation is a mere trifle.

All ye who sing in the cyber-chorus lower your voices not!

It has been proven that the lamb, the shivas, and the elders are not the breach in Arawak Armour!

Let us hunt Lions, The King, and Dirty Hand.

The lions pace silently in the bush, while the king seeks pleasures with his concubines.

Threadsurfers! What is sought is not hidden.

The Lamb and the elder are not the keystone in the Arch of Corruption.

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

If the head of the beast is in plain view it is folly to attack protected flanks.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

Shango looks from afar but speaks with truth. He does not converse with the Simian, or any other worldly sources, and attempts to bring direction to speculation

I must feed the messengers

The gods are talking


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:49 am

Ari, are you a local?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 1:50 am

Subdude you are really asking for it now. lol Posting that number is a huge mistake if it is real. lol Hope you have a goodnight, that is if your phone doesn’t start ringing soon.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 1:50 am

I also think that is why the PVDS and depok were so adament about telling Joran to SAY NOTHING. Because they know that all of consquences that would happen from saying anything.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:50 am

Welcome Shango.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 1:51 am

Ohhhh look who joined us. Mr. shango.


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 1:52 am

someone writes:
“Was she hanging out with a group of gampbellers during the three or four nights before her disappearance? Aruban gampbellers, men, not people from AL on the trip.”

Please answer and please check with your people. Is it likely there is videotape from the kaseeno showing this? Again, I am not judging. Man, if you knew my history, you would know I am not judging. ”
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aruba has like three major bars/clubs..and they are very small. however, the isle has plenty of casinos! everyone that visits aruba visits the casinos. so i am sure she went to the casinos. My 60 yr old aunt and uncle visit the casinos. along with the old people! aruba is not the party island it is being potrayed as.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:52 am

It will take me all night to decipher.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 1:53 am

thats what he wants. lol


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:54 am

Shango :

Does Shango and Simian fear one another?


# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 1:55 am

Let’s hear more about Lorenzo. Someone send an email to Greta or Nancy Grace and see if they’ll pursue that angle. Surely they are running out of things to talk about and keep their ratings up unless they find something new.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:55 am

Shango,

What do you study?


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:56 am

Lets work together here. I know who most everyone is. But Im not certain I know the “lions”

Shango … DH is leaving. Correct ?

[Lala'sMom]

Again...don't shoot the messenger...

#  hope on June 30th, 2005 1:56 am

Shango–who is Lorenzo?


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 1:56 am

Shango,
has DH or KING been on tv?


# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 1:56 am

I want some of what Shango has been smoking.


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 1:57 am

Why don’t you guys do something decent and tip the authorities with some of these alternate theories. C’mon - have some courage and dignity rather than posting this stuff here for sheer fetish pleasure. Someone may have died, but the locals seem to be loyal to either the VDS family or are afraid to point the finger at the true culprits (publicly or anonymously to the authorities). The Arubans deny it, but you appear scared of the drug mafia (columbians or whoever). Why have they taken you captive?

Don’t worry - even though the media may leave, the holloways will stay until they get justice.

MAY THE GHOST OF NH HAUNT THE LOCAL ARUBANS FOREVER UNTIL THEY HELP SOLVE THIS CASE - DISGUSTING COWARDS.

# ydave on June 30th, 2005 1:57 am

I think they realized they can distract a lot of people with new theories and a little bit of flirting, and the idea that Natalee is kidnapped and moved to another country by big drug dealers.

When that does not work, they will come with a new distraction about a jealous boyfriend who may have killed her. Like if the ex boyfriend would know that Joran and the Kalpoes were going to leave Natalee at a beach near the Marriot hotel, at 2:30 in the morning of May 30th.

If you read the posts on this page, you barely see anyone talk about Paulus VDS coaching his son and the friends of his son on May 31st, that there will be no case if there is no body. The same father who told them to lie about their activities with Natalee on the night of May 30th.

Just remember, Joran and the Kalpoes would not need to lie for the whole time they have been in jail, if they have not harmed Natalee. And Father VDS would not need to coach them if he son was not involved in a crime.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:57 am

The Arwaks need money


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 1:57 am

Shango:

I wassss going to sleep.

The key is Polis Chief. I knew it was no coincidence he is resigning.

Arawak King is the Prime Minister who is also dirty and apparently coming up for reelection. Its all about the wampum.

I am going to have to study your message.

Bloggers, keep the focus on the Police Chief.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 1:58 am

Shango does not fear the Simian

Shango feels the Simian speaks speculatively

desiring to know, but remaining clothed in darkness


# Ari on June 30th, 2005 1:58 am

Kristy:

No, I am from the States, but I am well travelled.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 1:59 am

JvdS has not harmed her. I feel sure.


# izzy on June 30th, 2005 1:59 am

right on, ydave!!!


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 1:59 am

hey shango…how long did your message take all day? you don’t fool me for a second college boy/girl…however, i am sure you are a boy. if you know so much, you should contact the proper officals…b/c a life depends on it. but i am sure- you are a bored teenage college boy.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:00 am

shango,

do you feel that yourself is also “clothed in darkness”?


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:00 am

Shango,

The Arwaks need “more” wampum?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:02 am

SHANGO - You are the biggest coward of all! If what you imply is really true, and if you really have information, you should anonymously tip it to the authorities rather than leave cryptic messages here. If you’re leaving messages here in order to help the case, would it not be more effective to communicate this directly to the authorities? If you’re afraid of the real culprits (columbians or whoever), don’t you think that by posting here, you’ve already disclosed yourself to the columbians or whoever may be monitoring this site. THEREFORE, you are honest in what you say and are a coward (for not speaking up) or stupid (for speaking on here), or you’re masturbating on the thought of these alternative theories.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:02 am

clothed in darkness meaning simian doesn’t really know what is going on?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:02 am

lol that was funny.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:03 am

Shango,

How is Mary?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:03 am

neither one of them know any more than we do about this case.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:03 am

Maybe the local authorities are afraid also? for themselves and their families?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:03 am

Ydave - You’re right - these guys post a different theory every week as long as it does not implicate the VDS family. Even if Joran did not do it, he knows what happened with NH or where she went.

You can keep VDS safe in jail, but he will not be safe from the Holloways if he’s ever released.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am

Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….

DirtyHand is the the Keystone!

The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.

Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?

DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid attention from the cowboys and the fort


# hope on

June 30th, 2005 2:04 am

Hopefully, authorities moniter these sites huh?


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:05 am

Dirty hand is the keystone … hes the staller.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:06 am

The Holloways don’t think Jaron did it. Just that he could tell them more about that night. If something happened to him, the link would be gone.



# new girl on June 30th, 2005 2:06 am

THANK YOU for returning, Shango!

Ignore the people here who want to distract and deter the curious and the driven.

Have you read the thread? Am I following your clues? I have tried.

[Lala'sMom]

Keep reading there are some posts here that a lot of Shango readers have not seen in a while....

#  Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:06 am

Shango,

The scorned lover … an arwak, or babylonian? friend of the lamb ?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:06 am

The locals on here make Aruba sound like a terrible place w/ ppl scared of drug mafia and the police and govt filled w/ corruption. I thought Aruba was a paradise before this. I hope a hurricane wipes out your island this summer.


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:06 am

i cannot beleive people are actually thinking this shango guy/girl whatever is like for real. just like that person messaged:

shango what are you smoking!


# hope on June 30th, 2005 2:06 am

Sooooo “if they cannot out a lamb to manger” you mean let them go?


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am

If the keystone falls, it will crush the lamb, the shivas, and the elder

the noise of the crashing arch shall scare the lions from their den

DirtyHand is the key to All!


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am

They are protected from hurricanes …


# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am

Does:
DirtyHand = Joran?
Lamb = Natalie?
Lions = Lorenzo and Co.?
# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am

New Girl - how can you call yourself “driven” - are you doing anything about this case?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am

shango if you know so much then why dont you just tell everyone where Natalee is. Be done with your word games and speak clearly for once.



# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:08 am

wb new girl…shango…wow i left for just a few minutes…i missed a lot



# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:09 am

You are wrong. You should view previous threads for clues. It took us a long time to decipher the code.

I feel like Shango believes he was told us where she is. We just cant figure it out.



# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:09 am

Dirty hand= police chief
Lamb=joran
lions=lorenzo…dj…whoever else involved (i think)


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:09 am

out a lamb to manger - can’t get Jvds to talk?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:10 am

southern girl - you have not missed anything - just a bunch of b.s. - what is the email address for greta or nancy grace - this meaningless speculation of theories on here is geting old. Shango - maybe we can summon you to appear as a witness


# hope on June 30th, 2005 2:10 am

Don’t waste time trying to get him to ” speak plainly” he won’t . He really seems right on about things


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

I feel like Shango believes he was told us where she is. We just cant figure it out.

I meant …….. he has told us ^^^


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

All Secrets are hidden in Plain View



# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

shango…you mentioned a handicap…would this have anything to do with the golf course by close to the lighthouse or the mini golf course in oranjestad? you mentioned the other night about you having a handicap of 12



# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

******* Says:

June 30th, 2005 at 2:06 am
The locals on here make Aruba sound like a terrible place w/ ppl scared of drug mafia and the police and govt filled w/ corruption. I thought Aruba was a paradise before this. I hope a hurricane wipes out your island this summer.
______________________________________________________

i guess you have never been to aruba. if you had, you would never say such things.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

Have to get DH to talk before he leaves?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

Issue a summons to scaredmonkeys to find out who these posters are who claim to have credible information and force them to testify.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

I think new girl is losing it. lol She sounds like some cult follower over this Shango person.


# Ari on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

Casanostra:

Lamb = Joran
Shivas = Brothers
Elder = PVDS

DirtyHand =? Chief of Police
Lions =? Inner circle in Aruba connected to casinos e.t.c.



# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:11 am

Again, Shango … how is Mary?


# bnk on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am

test


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am

Michoo - you’re own fellow arubans talk about how the police, government officials and families would not speak the truth or expose the underground drug industry - don’t you agree that paints your society in a bad light?


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am

Shango,

is Natalee close by her mother?



# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am

shango…yes please answer kristy…please


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am

the cowboys must search at night … You cannot hear the music in the day.

Shango, Do you hear the music every night ?


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:13 am

The Arawaks make the cowboys dance so the smoke signals are lost in the wind

How can one hunt for lions without a local guide?

How can one hunt for lions with fishing gear?

DirtyHand still commands Arawak war parties, confusing outlanders…

Time is the enemy of the cowboys

and friend to the Arawaks, the Babylonians, and the hunted Jungle beasts



# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:14 am

corruption is everywhere



# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:14 am

Shango did not mention a Handicap

That was the fetid Simian



# ydave on June 30th, 2005 2:14 am

New girl and Checkme are afraid of the truth, because it involves Paulus and Joran VDS.

They are part of the team sent to distract readers and true Monkeys.



# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:16 am

if he has “told us” where she is Kristy. then he should be held AS accountable for whatever happens to Natalee as the people who took her. If he knows her where abouts he needs to speak clearly. He needs to let the police know that. If he doesn’t and it results in more bad things happening, I only hope that GOD punishes him for his little game. Although I still believe he is full of crap.



# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:16 am

the dutch marines are coming to help … might they be a “local guide”


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:16 am

Has the VDS family paid Checkme and some other loyalists on here?



# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:16 am

Shango,

some kind of undercover agent has to be sent into the rave underworld. before too much time has gone by?


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 2:16 am

DH = Police Chief
Arawak King = Prime Minister
Babylonians = Dutch
Lions = drug/prostitution/slavery cartel

Shango says that the chief, PM and Lions are running durgs, prostitutes and sex slaves and that teh VDSs and Kalpoes are in on it as well. One big happy family of scum

The Chief is the weakest link, the most easy to expose. VDSs and Kalpoes are talking to prosecutors. But the PM and Chief will say that they can not investigate the allegations because their hands are tied by Dutch law. This is one good way to check Shango’s veracity.

Raise hell about why Chief is resigning. Raise hell about why no one will look into allegations of drugs,hookers,sex slaves and see if we get some excuse from the PM about how its up to the Dutch to conduct the investigation. If you hear something along these lines, Shango’s Olorum is credible.

Federal Bureau, can you apply on pressure? Problem is investigation of corruption into Aruban gov’t has to be conducted by Dutch, most likely. Will Dutch do it?

International pressure might help, or Dutch government might tell the world to go to hell.

Make noise on this board for starters.



# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 2:17 am

DirtyHand is in the cage

Kept safe from the lions

Lamb is not safe from the lions

Croes was told to crow and now he is not to crow

He is of the same years as a Lion so he knows

Delicate balance not to be broken

Or it all comes crashing down


# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:17 am

sorry bout that…i sometimes get y’all confused with all this cryptic talk


# bethany on June 30th, 2005 2:18 am

wow…just because posters are looking into other options instead of “JVDS did it” doesn’t mean that they are not true monkeys or here to distract.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:18 am

yanno, they always say the biggest clues are right under our noses. Shango says … her father has been close. In fact, he said everyone has been close .. even missed evidence that was overlooked.

I feel like they are searching the wrong end of the island !!!! Go south !!


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:18 am

For those who think Shango has danced with the lions

or walked the maze

they have not read diligently

Eyes of God see from afar

If ye have truth, ask not how it was begotten…


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:18 am

A bunch of us lawyers should call the HOlloways and get on their legal team. It’s time to take action in our own hands. File a complaint against this board to reveal the identity of posters as this is a murder case - enough of a public interest to reveal identity and serve as witness. Fantasy time is over.


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:18 am

the cowboys must search at night … You cannot hear the music in the day.

Shango, Do you hear the music every night
_________________________________________________

i guess your smoking what that shango cat is smoking…this is crazy stuff.

and to the obersver: i am from miami! my family and i have been visiting aruba for ten years…we go every year. in fact, some family members were there when nh was there. of course, they did not stay at the HI!


# Ari on June 30th, 2005 2:19 am

Kristy:

I don’t thing that Shango knows anything more about Mary’s fate than we do. He can make intelligent guesses, also extrapolate but that is all.


# hope on June 30th, 2005 2:21 am

How do we find out “where” Natalee rolled through the maze? Sorry fellow readers, but this is intruiging


# ydave on June 30th, 2005 2:22 am

Subdude says “Problem is investigation of corruption into Aruban gov’t has to be conducted by Dutch, most likely. Will Dutch do it?”

Subdude should know that the Police chief, the Attorney General, PVDS, and most of the officials of the Aruba justice ministry are from the Netherland. The friendship among them, and the inherent sentiment that they have to help one of their own are the reason why this investigation is getting nowhere.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:22 am

I did not mean shango danced with the lions.

Michoo, I was asking Shango a question regarding something he has posted previously.


# Ari on June 30th, 2005 2:22 am

File a complaint against this board to reveal the identity of posters as this is a murder case

*******:

Get a US judge (any judge) to say (from the bench) that this is a murder case and I’ll give you $1,000.


# new girl on June 30th, 2005 2:22 am

“******* Says:

June 30th, 2005 at 2:07 am
New Girl - how can you call yourself “driven” - are you doing anything about this case?”

Such as WHAT? I have searched and searched for information to the limited extent that it is available to me. I have posted my thoughts about possible avenues that have been under-explored. I am not the media, I am not Aruban, I have no personal knowledge but only my brain to try to interpret what’s out there, and I am not law enforcement. I am not independently wealthy enough to fly to Aruba to try to bust up drug cartels by myself, and also I am female so I am not really eager to get my ass kicked or raped by busting the allegedly psycho-rapist-dog-killer’s-gang-rapists’s party house.

But by all means, feel free to stick your neck out if you want.

[Lala'sMom]

Do I have your attention yet?   I hope so...there are more Shango riddles than what everyone has thought. Is anyone going hmmmmmm? 

#  Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:23 am

“searching the wrong end of the island”

i can search the island in two days. One part of the island is like s. florida flat and green; the other, like nevada! get real people! shango/simian are full of shit…and if they are for real, they need to be the men they are and tell the authorities. …..!


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:23 am

Yeah I think that he gets what he wants each time he posts. Everyone starts attacking each other, and then the outrageous ramblings begin again.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:24 am

Ari,

Shango posted quite a bit about Mary in the past days. From afar, how is Mary? Is her fate secure?


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 2:25 am

Wasn’t the “casanostra” mentioned in the newgirl posts about Mansur and the drugs/money laundering cartel linked to Aruban PM?


# hope on June 30th, 2005 2:26 am

Is Natalee tucked away in a house somewhere? Close to the elder?


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:26 am

In your senseless rage you wave your sword recklessly

as such you would sever the limb even of a defender of the faith

If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!

Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.

Believe.

When olorum speaks, lesser gods listen

but do not ask how it is they hear



# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:26 am

I dont attack anyone. I listen. Maybe you should too.

There isnt anything we can do, If indeed this is true. Seems as if … Hands are tied.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:27 am

Are the VDS neighbors back from vacation, I wonder?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:28 am

Ari - I think a judge would find that it’s more reasonable to conclude that this is a murder case (or perhaps voluntary or involuntary manslaughter) than a runaway case. What other alternative is there? Maybe kidnapping and that she’s still alive. But w/ Aruban authorities already implying that there’s little hope that she’ll be found alive, i think a U.S. judge can rely on that in calling this a murder case.

New girl - how old are you? You don’t have to fly to Aruba and face some Columbian drug lord to help - you can simply email anonymous tips. I guess I can do that in the morning, in addition to legal assistance.

Question - what does it mean to be a “monkey” - does the motto on the website “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” really apply? we can theorize but just not speak out - just follow?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am

Do you people honestly believe that the disappearance of Natalee has anything to do with a huge drug cartel and money laundering sceme??? Come on now. Why in the world would people in that deep risk everything over one 18 year old foreigner? It just does not make sense people. Her disappearance is much smaller than that, it is not some huge cover up. Unless she is something more than just a missing High school graduate from MB.


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am

I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:30 am

olorum = sun?


# hope on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am

*******– I would most def. hope these tips would reach the proper authorities. But should we not wait until at least some of these things are validated. Sorry this appears to offend you so much


# wreck on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am

are you olorum — or a follower? Is fate sealed or malleable?


# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am

shango…it was said earlier that country moon and others frequent this site and that all the clues that are given are passed along to Beth and the family memebers that are in Aruba


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am

Kristy - simple question. You say that if this is true, hands are tied. What does that mean? What do you mean that hands are tied? That is the kind of defeatist attitude that is so frustrating.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am

Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.

He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am

I think it means that most people are supposed to be monkeys, but those that question things should be scared monkeys. but are questioning anyways.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:32 am

Kristy I wasnt speaking about you when I stated that people attack each other. Maybe you should read the other posts here and see who is attacking others. Besides why get all bent out of shape all of the sudden. You have been speaking your mind all night just like the reast of us. Some of just choose not to listen to Shango, because he refuses to speak clearly. If he knows so much then he should speak up about it in a way that will help Natalee.


# wreck on June 30th, 2005 2:33 am

TK - the drug lords are not responsible for Natalee’s fate — the COVERUP may lead to them. That is why they care.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:33 am

TK - tributaries by definition stray from the river to leave the ocean



# BrodieGirl on June 30th, 2005 2:34 am

Is Olorum a sky god?


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:34 am

Shango,

is Natalee near to her mother? or do you not know that as of now?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:34 am

Question - what does it mean to be a “monkey” - does the motto on the website “see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil” really apply? we can theorize but just not speak out - just follow?

That is a very nice question *******! I love it!


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:35 am

How long does a cat hold a mouse before eating it?


# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 2:35 am

I picked the casanostra as a name after doing much research as to their relationship to the island of Aruba and the drug trade, as well as other things that go along with it. Do some googling and find out for yourself. I think that Natalie is alive and that there are people on the island, and those that pass through the island that no one wants to mess with. There lies the predicament. You have a criminal element more powerful than the authorities and a chess game is being played. I think Joran is being protected, but he is also guilty of something. Not murder, but leading Natalie into something very sinister. I apologize if my speculation is in any way disrespectful to she or her family, but I find this very intriguing and it goes much deeper than what is implied on television.


# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:35 am

ok so now how do we go about putting pressure on them to find out why this dude is trying to leave….especially in the middle of an investigation…but then didn’t they say something about his petition to go back in as cheif of polis being rejected (or something like that)?


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:36 am

Olorum is:”Como its name in language yoruba indicates it, Olorum sends to the “gentleman or teacher to us of the sky”, to the star king, giver of light and life. It is for that reason that by those days we will be revitalized with its energy and we will be infected with the enthusiasm which vigilant overflowed in streets, seats and theaters of this aged ciudad”


# Ari on June 30th, 2005 2:36 am

T K:

I was not thinking in terms of a drug cartel, but in terms of underground cabaret/casino owners and their regular patrons. Abducted, imprisoned, on her own will, or something in between, I have no idea. Here is where everybody’s mind stops I think.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:36 am

I didnt take anything personally. I just thought someone was referring to me. I dont hesitate to speak my mind. I understand some are not believers and I am fine with that.

Hands are tied was something Shango said. I was repeating.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:36 am

Casanostra is standing at a window looking onto Babylon…


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 2:37 am

Olorum is the god of the sky, Kristy.

ydave, thanks, I am not familiar with Aruban govt.

What about Prime Minister? Not from the Netherland?

“The rule of the Arawak King is final word.”

Does the PM make the decision to investigate corruption of Chief of Police, Attorney General, JVDS? If PM decides not to investigate, is that the final word on the subject?

Is the PM elected? Appointed? Is he up for reelection or reappointment soon?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:37 am

TK - were you being genuine when you complimented my question about the meaning of monkeys? It was a serious question. Why are ppl supposed to be monkeys (copy-cat/followers)? Hey, were you referring to me as the person who causes agitation and fighting among each other. I’m not trying to get others to attack each other — it’s clear who/what I’m attacking.


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:39 am

Why would the Arawaks fear a lamb, tiny toothed little beast?

The chieftan would sacrifice the lamb,

but the demons would not leave for such a petty sacrifice

The Lamb knows, but doesn’t rule

Lambs aren’t knigs of the Jungle


# hope on June 30th, 2005 2:39 am

So if the commissioner resigns is he open for questioning? Can he be arrested? He is withholding evidence and obstructing


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:39 am

the cat eats the mouse when it dies. Would the cat share his food ?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:39 am

Is this a cult? Do I need to be a believer?


# new girl on June 30th, 2005 2:40 am

SUBDUDE (I’m yelling for you here, because I feel like some are trying to drown us out) - you asked “Federal Bureau, can you apply on pressure? Problem is investigation of corruption into Aruban gov’t has to be conducted by Dutch, most likely. Will Dutch do it?”

SUBDUDE, I might have thought Dutch, or Aruban Dutch, cooperation would be possible, but the “alleged” information I posted earlier from http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm suggests that it COULD (maybe) be that the Dutch in Aruba are profiting the MOST from the money laundering, drug trafficking, associated banking, and the rest (other than perhaps Sicilians and ??? Sicilian-Columbians?.

LORD knows I AM NOT professing to know the truth here. But READ that article.

You do not have to rely on the anonymous “Shango” to accept the validity of this inquiry. It is ALL OVER the net, and (I bet it is all over academia) IF IF IF .. YOU CARE AT ALL, it is right there at your fingertips.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:40 am

No I was stating that I believe that Shango and Simian with there code cause the people to start attacking each other. Every time one of them post this starts up.

I was being genuine when I said I loved that question. It makes sense to ask that questions in reference to this type of discussion board. Because this type of discussion brings out all of those things (followers, copiers, and realist). All of that in one place makes for the great thought processes that end up coming out in the end.


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:40 am

Will the Dutch marines help any? or do they KNOW too.


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:41 am

a monkey likes to play pranks…pull hair, tease. a monkey is of folly!

if they have not found her on that island, guess what…they are not going to. island is too small. half the island is rock and sand!


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:43 am

Direct Speech leads to homogenized thought

ShangoSpeak brings out all emotions, possibilities, and destinies!

[Lala'sMom]

#  T K on June 30th, 2005 2:43 am

Shango Says:

June 30th, 2005 at 2:33 am
TK - tributaries by definition stray from the river to leave the ocean

Shango,

Doesnt a tributary also feed into something new like a larger river or lake? If you are calling yourself a “tributary” then what is it that you are trying to feed into??


# Kristy on June 30th, 2005 2:43 am

Will the lamb and the elder survive ?


# subdude on June 30th, 2005 2:44 am

casanostra: I believe you are right and the Polis Chief, Prime Minister, JVDS, PVDS the Kalpoes, Stephen Croes and Lorenzo VanRijn are all intertwined with casanostra dealing dope, prostitution, etc…

I think Joran gots his drugs to deal there and dabbled in the sex slave trade. PVDS pimped young girls as well. Remember “PIMPle is about to pop” right before PVDS arrest?


# casanostra on June 30th, 2005 2:44 am

Shango - am I off target in my assumption that the sinister forces control the power in this situation?


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:44 am

TK - are you a guy or girl? Where do you live?


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:45 am

I am female and I live in the USA (NC).


# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:47 am

Main Entry: 2ca ·po
Pronunciation: ‘kà ¤-(”)pO, ‘ka-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural capos
Etymology: Italian, head, chief, from Latin caput
: the head of a branch of a crime syndicate

shango mentioned that the capo had whispered


# ******* on June 30th, 2005 2:47 am

OK - mid-atlantic guy here - md area. you seem smarter than some others here.


# T K on June 30th, 2005 2:47 am

ShangoSpeak brings out all emotions, possibilities, and destinies!

That is the truest thing that I know you have said the whole time. But in the case of life or death, which is what we are talking about here. You need to use “Direct Speech

“
# heartache on June 30th, 2005 2:47 am

Well, if the polis chief is crooked than what about the rest of the force. Does this give new meaning to “Policemans Ball”? Do the patrolmen go round up young things for Mr. DirtyHand to play with? and typically speaking a cat will play around with it’s prey for a good , long while.



# southernbelle73f on June 30th, 2005 2:48 am

so are we talkin mafia?


# Michoo on June 30th, 2005 2:49 am

Direct Speech leads to homogenized thought
_________________________________________________

do you say you break uniformity in our thought process?


# watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:49 am

Michoo,

the smallest spots can have hiding places


# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:50 am

Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen

All has been seen from afar

and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son

I must leave to feed the messengers

The gods are talking

Good Night

[COLOMBO]

# Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:07 am

If the keystone falls, it will crush the lamb, the shivas, and the elder

the noise of the crashing arch shall scare the lions from their den

DirtyHand is the key to All!



THE KEYSTONE COPS!!!!!!!

"Arawaks often go to play in the small houses of babylon with the offspring of the elders"

"........hand holding it dirty too"

DirtyHand is the link.......to the polis......his reach is long!!!!!