SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

Caps
Tell me about a person on Aruba named Andres Meneses and a friend of his Maria Bernadeta Kelly? Andres was questioned many times and so far we have found little to connect him other than he was involved in photography of airplanes.  Does any of that go along with what you are thinking?

[MumInOhio]

Caps
Tell me about a person on Aruba named Andres Meneses and a friend of his Maria Bernadeta Kelly? Andres was questioned many times and so far we have found little to connect him other than he was involved in photography of airplanes.  Does any of that go along with what you are thinking?

This is exactly the person I was thinking of from Caps post....

Is he not from Costa Rica?... I read something on him recently...a crash with a reporter...not sure if it was a plane or helicopter???

[CapsLockWizard]

The witness state that the Bird was constantly moving in circle around the area that night..

and the bird normaly will wake you up and one will tent to go look up in the sky of what is going on. and wonder.

some take pictures. If picture was taken, the Man in the bird with his power beam will see you taken pictures. and can zoom in to see who you are.

so allways stay away of the Birds.

The issue of the Lawyer on the Roll Duty.

Here is what the CPT says after audit Aruba

Read it in full

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

[Lala'sMom]

Caps
Tell me about a person on Aruba named Andres Meneses and a friend of his Maria Bernadeta Kelly? Andres was questioned many times and so far we have found little to connect him other than he was involved in photography of airplanes.  Does any of that go along with what you are thinking?

This is exactly the person I was thinking of from Caps post....

Is he not from Costa Rica?... I read something on him recently...a crash with a reporter...not sure if it was a plane or helicopter???

GMTA!  LOL  Both of those people were considered witnesses.  So what would they have witnessed? Also, why is it that Steve Croes is questioned many time during that year?  His alibi was proven unnecessary to the case since the Kalpoes and Joran both admitted the HI story was a lie.   Yet, the ALE knew something that Steve Croes was involved in and just kept at him.  Hmmmmmm.

[Lala'sMom]

The witness state that the Bird was constantly moving in circle around the area that night..

and the bird normaly will wake you up and one will tent to go look up in the sky of what is going on. and wonder.

some take pictures. If picture was taken, the Man in the bird with his power beam will see you taken pictures. and can zoom in to see who you are.

so allways stay away of the Birds.

The issue of the Lawyer on the Roll Duty.

Here is what the CPT says after audit Aruba

Read it in full

http://www.cpt.coe.int/documents/nld/1996-27-inf-eng-1.htm

The "Bird" could have been another reference to Merian Ernst's Yellowhammer reference meaning Natalee. Then again, that may not even be one of Shango's posts...it could be his doppleganger too.  I think there were multiple persons posting as Shango all along.

[Lala'sMom]

I have another dumb question..but it just came to me and I am wondering if anyone knows the answer.

Carlos Penata Ramos....the gardener that was the witness to seeing Joran, Deepak and someone else in the car near the Raquet Club was questioned on 7/26/05 by ALE.  Then he is questioned again 8/11/05 concerning a "boat crew list".  What does walking from one house to another and seeing a car that looks like Deepak's have to do with a list of a boat crew?  What boat?  What crew?  Did he work on a boat too and was only a gardener part time?  Anyone? 

[Lala'sMom]

Also, what did the FBI know concerning Paul Brough(Mr. Pink) that merits the subpoena of his cell phone records on August 9, 2005? 


And who is Joseph Casandra?  An American on the trip or what?

[MumInOhio]

Good afternoon Lala's....only got to the first sentence...LOL...Didn't Simian say he went to visit KIA when it was opened? Through school or something? May give us a hint to his age.

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.


Lala's...I saw that boat crew list and was going to ask about it!

[MumInOhio]

Also, what did the FBI know concerning Paul Brough(Mr. Pink) that merits the subpoena of his cell phone records on August 9, 2005? 


And who is Joseph Casandra?  An American on the trip or what?

Not familiar with Joseph - who interviewed him?

I have a list somewhere of all the peeps on the log that I didn't know anything about, but have never got back to it.

Interesting one, forgot the name, ASI student interviewed 3 times. did a quick search a couple of weeks back...nothing!

[Lala'sMom]

Also, what did the FBI know concerning Paul Brough(Mr. Pink) that merits the subpoena of his cell phone records on August 9, 2005? 


And who is Joseph Casandra?  An American on the trip or what?

Not familiar with Joseph - who interviewed him?

I have a list somewhere of all the peeps on the log that I didn't know anything about, but have never got back to it.

Interesting one, forgot the name, ASI student interviewed 3 times. did a quick search a couple of weeks back...nothing!

Casandra was interviewed by the FBI. In Birmingham.  Shipley (FBI agent) is out of that office.  He had to be one of the MB teens...why him?

[Lala'sMom]

Who is Loenardo Lopez Riveria?  Jacobs and Soemers spoke to him the same day as Satish was interrogated and Carmen was interviewed on what is believed to be an alibi for Freddy and Joran.

[vms]

Good afternoon Lala's....only got to the first sentence...LOL...Didn't Simian say he went to visit KIA when it was opened? Through school or something? May give us a hint to his age.

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.


Lala's...I saw that boat crew list and was going to ask about it!

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.



September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.

[MumInOhio]

Good afternoon Lala's....only got to the first sentence...LOL...Didn't Simian say he went to visit KIA when it was opened? Through school or something? May give us a hint to his age.

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.


Lala's...I saw that boat crew list and was going to ask about it!

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.



September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.

Thanks vms....that would make him around 32 in 2005...or maybe her!

That Riveria kid is the one that was questioned 3 times...that is what I thought as strange

Lala's...I don't know why I thought this, but had always associated Carmen and Karen with the girls coming forward with the allegations against the pimps. I may have just formed my opinion from the book, but believe it had to do with the dates that I thought Freddy became a suspect. He appeared differently on the log after Karen was interviewed and up until Carmen was....Yep...It was the latter ...LOL

Thanks again for posting all those posts Lala's...I had intended to read them today, but was having a hard time concentrating!

[Lala'sMom]

Good afternoon Lala's....only got to the first sentence...LOL...Didn't Simian say he went to visit KIA when it was opened? Through school or something? May give us a hint to his age.

In addition, the delegation visited the former Dakota Prison, located in Oranjestad, which was taken out of service in September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.


Lala's...I saw that boat crew list and was going to ask about it!

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 11:41 am
To whoever made comment: I have taken a tour of the facility and even spent a night in there when it was inaugurated. So have everybody in my gradutating class at Colegio Arubano who wanted to participate.



September 1990, date of opening of the KIA.

Thanks vms....that would make him around 32 in 2005...or maybe her!

That Riveria kid is the one that was questioned 3 times...that is what I thought as strange

Lala's...I don't know why I thought this, but had always associated Carmen and Karen with the girls coming forward with the allegations against the pimps. I may have just formed my opinion from the book, but believe it had to do with the dates that I thought Freddy became a suspect. He appeared differently on the log after Karen was interviewed and up until Carmen was....Yep...It was the latter ...LOL

Thanks again for posting all those posts Lala's...I had intended to read them today, but was having a hard time concentrating!

They are listed as friends.  Not complainants or whatever.  You could be right.

[MumInOhio]

Also, what did the FBI know concerning Paul Brough(Mr. Pink) that merits the subpoena of his cell phone records on August 9, 2005? 


And who is Joseph Casandra?  An American on the trip or what?

Not familiar with Joseph - who interviewed him?

I have a list somewhere of all the peeps on the log that I didn't know anything about, but have never got back to it.

Interesting one, forgot the name, ASI student interviewed 3 times. did a quick search a couple of weeks back...nothing!

Casandra was interviewed by the FBI. In Birmingham.  Shipley (FBI agent) is out of that office.  He had to be one of the MB teens...why him?

Lala's...what date is this?...I can't find him....told you I couldn't concentrate!  TIA...Casandra...I mean...

[vms]

Title: Email from Joseph Casandra E(MM)(FBX)
Date: 08/09/2005 10:17 am
Location: None (Electronic email)
File #: none
Initiator. Shipley,Douglas S(BB)(FBI)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1098.0;prev_next=prev

[Lala'sMom]

Title: Email from Joseph Casandra E(MM)(FBX)
Date: 08/09/2005 10:17 am
Location: None (Electronic email)
File #: none
Initiator. Shipley,Douglas S(BB)(FBI)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1098.0;prev_next=prev

Thanks.  I almost posted the same thing until I saw you. LOL

[MumInOhio]

Here is the link for Beth and Greta's trip to Aruba...I haven't had a chance to watch them again. Scroll to Oct 1st.

     http://gretawire.foxnews.com/tag/debi-the-make-up-artist/page/2/




   

[COLOMBO]

wow........."whole 7th floor"

[COLOMBO]

good thing somebody else could walk inside that room and bring the real key