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« Reply #2080 on: February 17, 2008, 09:18:05 AM »

A slightly different take...COLUMBO...probably doesn't apply to Shango, but true I think....

Dutch - in the Netherlands - hand holding Dutch/Aruban or Aruban hand is dirty.

Dirty Hand is the link...the Governor-General...he is the link in the above.



a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis, to spare the teepees

The Lamb and the two Shivas whisper in the dark,
while the lions pace silently in the bush.
Dirty Hand is the link! (between lions and babylonians)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the note$ (follow the money)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation (polis, gov't, et al)
meet, under cover of delusion.

He (DirtyHand) holds the real key (to the poison house)
He is the link! (between pimps and lions-which "play")

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there(???), or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices (the answer is "yes")
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« Reply #2081 on: February 17, 2008, 09:25:28 AM »

Babalu knew who dirty hand was-polis! looking for Natalee........

the gamblers took note......all they "knew" was written down

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:22 pm
Because the fallen judge agreed, he can sing any song he wants
A poisonous siren in the halls of babylon

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing (?)
 
-which song.....
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl (loot)
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« Reply #2082 on: February 17, 2008, 10:45:41 AM »

Lala :

What time didi Paul said that he went to the ATM?



Paulus did not make a statement say he made any ATM withdrawals. At this moment, I am not sure how that story came about, but...it is a documented fact that Paulus was heard or been known to have been in the area of the McDonald's around 4 AM in the morning.  That is one of the reasons given for denial of his compensation by the Aruban courts.  This fits in line with your..."Joran walked across the street to McDonald's theory".
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« Reply #2083 on: February 17, 2008, 10:51:31 AM »

quoting Chata:

"Reading back in my notes I found a reference to this same idea (Caps)... someone with their own business, powerful person on the island.  3 names come to mind as maybe fitting this ... Contreras/Cuntreras family, Monsur family (not necessarily Jossy), and the Posner family."

What other Mansurs with business interests are in Aruba?
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« Reply #2084 on: February 17, 2008, 10:54:46 AM »

LaLa let do this

Lets separate the DUTCH and  the Arubans and the Americans in groups

in the group of the Dutch, include any name that you think had someting to say about the case

let do it this way and let look at the names.

Then there relationship with the Government if any or a relatioship to the Law world or other.

I have check and the only website that is not working is only one and is a Dutch.


Remember he walk in all places so he is in the plain view,



I can name people, but honestly I don't know if they are Dutch or Aruban.  I get that mixed up too easily.  Maybe someone will come along and complete this info if I start it.


Players that I know of at this moment or suspect as being involved...

From Joran's end: Some are Aruban and some are Dutch, Colombian, Brazilian, etc.

Satish
Deepak
Freddy
Guido
Steve Croes
Jaime
Andre and Arthur Santos
Lorenzo ( Wever or Van Rijn or maybe some other Lorenzo)


From Paulus end:

Jan van der Straten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Dennis Jacobs
Ben King
Karen Janssen
Ronny Bernadina
Comemencia


I know I have left some out and will think of them or perhaps there are others that will add to these.
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« Reply #2085 on: February 17, 2008, 01:31:17 PM »

LaLa let do this

Lets separate the DUTCH and  the Arubans and the Americans in groups

in the group of the Dutch, include any name that you think had someting to say about the case

let do it this way and let look at the names.

Then there relationship with the Government if any or a relatioship to the Law world or other.

I have check and the only website that is not working is only one and is a Dutch.


Remember he walk in all places so he is in the plain view,



I can name people, but honestly I don't know if they are Dutch or Aruban.  I get that mixed up too easily.  Maybe someone will come along and complete this info if I start it.


Players that I know of at this moment or suspect as being involved...

From Joran's end: Some are Aruban and some are Dutch, Colombian, Brazilian, etc.

Satish
Deepak
Freddy
Guido
Steve Croes
Jaime
Andre and Arthur Santos
Lorenzo ( Wever or Van Rijn or maybe some other Lorenzo)


From Paulus end:

Jan van der Straten
Rudy Croes
Nelson Oduber
Dennis Jacobs
Ben King
Karen Janssen
Ronny Bernadina
Comemencia


I know I have left some out and will think of them or perhaps there are others that will add to these.

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Is Ben King (Vocking) a lawyer?
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #2086 on: February 17, 2008, 01:41:01 PM »

Texasmom
Very good question.  I know he was involved with the Matthews case and all that. He has certainly been touted as possible dirty hand.  How much he is involved in all the other aspects I don't know.  My problem with the term lawyer is this...in the USA you have prosecutors and defense attorneys...that goes along with district attorneys and such.  So since he worked with Karen Jansen in some capacity it would place him in that position.  He did seem to be in the think of things with Paulus, since he was there during that search and I have often wondered how that could be if he was part of the group trying to find out what happened.

If you are trying to tie him with dirty hand I can see how it might work...only thing is Shango said that Babalu opened a window by commenting on dirty hand being a member of the polis...so how that translates into lawyer is beyond me at this time.  Maybe someone will bring that info back to us and let us review it again.  I keep forgetting the details. My understanding of lawyers in Aruba is that they aren't exactly operating in the same capacity as what we normally think here in the USA.

BTW, have you ever wondered if Paulus was teaching law classes at the local college why he couldn't pass his exams or whatever to become a judge?  Strange that.
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« Reply #2087 on: February 17, 2008, 01:44:56 PM »

This from the Aruban Who's Who thread:

KING, Ben (Vocking)   – one of Paulus’s friends.  Ex-KIA official, now working at Prosecutor;s office.  Was present at the time of search at VDS home.  Paulus allegedly stayed with him during beginning of case.  Paulus allegedly helped him to destroy evidence in the infamous case of  Eduardo Matthews.
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« Reply #2088 on: February 17, 2008, 01:47:22 PM »

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As I said I left out some people in my list...such as the Gottenbos...here is the link to a thread that has lots of info on the players and participants in this whole case.  Idon't know when the last update of the info was, but I know who to ask to find out.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0
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« Reply #2089 on: February 17, 2008, 02:13:58 PM »

Having a senior moment here...sorry.  Who replaced van der Straten as Polis Chief? Anyone? TIA
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« Reply #2090 on: February 17, 2008, 03:07:05 PM »

Having a senior moment here...sorry.  Who replaced van der Straten as Polis Chief? Anyone? TIA

Lalas,
I know this is more info than you asked for but hopefully what you're looking for is here.  It's all so hard to keep straight to me that I thought I would go ahead and post it all just in case.

STRAATEN, Jan van der  -  Former Chief of Polis, head of investigation into the disappearence of Natalee Holloway.

TROMP, Lieutenant Roy  - Dutch Aruban police Investigator; he was the initial Aruba police Lead Investigator on the disappearance case.

SOEMERS, Eric  -  took over as the Aruba Police Commissioner when van der Stratten went on a pre-retirement “vacation.”

BERNADINA, Ronny  - High Commissioner of Police, recently resigned from office.

WITTE, Peter de  - new Chief of Police in Aruba.   Peter de Witte, acting director of the Coastguard of the Neth.Antilles and Aruba will become the new chief of police. Effective January 1st, 2007 he will formally succeed chief of police Ronny Bernadina, but he will start working on November 1st. After the three years, he will be replaced by a new local chief of police. He will be assisted by three local experts, including a district attorney, an expert in the field of personnel, and a person from the police corps.

DOMPIG, Gerold  - Deputy Police Commissioner.  Head of investigation after Jan van der Straaten.


RICHARDSON, Dolph  – current lead investigator after Dompig removed from case.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #2091 on: February 17, 2008, 03:38:46 PM »

Texasmom
Very good question.  I know he was involved with the Matthews case and all that. He has certainly been touted as possible dirty hand.  How much he is involved in all the other aspects I don't know.  My problem with the term lawyer is this...in the USA you have prosecutors and defense attorneys...that goes along with district attorneys and such.  So since he worked with Karen Jansen in some capacity it would place him in that position.  He did seem to be in the think of things with Paulus, since he was there during that search and I have often wondered how that could be if he was part of the group trying to find out what happened.

If you are trying to tie him with dirty hand I can see how it might work...only thing is Shango said that Babalu opened a window by commenting on dirty hand being a member of the polis...so how that translates into lawyer is beyond me at this time.  Maybe someone will bring that info back to us and let us review it again.  I keep forgetting the details. My understanding of lawyers in Aruba is that they aren't exactly operating in the same capacity as what we normally think here in the USA.

BTW, have you ever wondered if Paulus was teaching law classes at the local college why he couldn't pass his exams or whatever to become a judge?  Strange that.

This has always been a sticking point with me.  If PVDS simply did not "pass the test" to become a judge, wouldn't he be allowed to RETAKE the test as is done is the case of lawyers?  Is "the test" a written test only?  I have read many times that he did not receive the "required recommendations of other judges" though I cannot site anything official on that, just remarks in forums etc.  In Dave Holloway's book I found the following quite interesting:

Pg 21-23 (snipped in some areas)
When the prime minister arrived back in Aruba from Fort Lauderdale approximately ten days after Natalee disappeared, his island was inundated with international press members, and he decided that he needed to take action.  He must have felt that a meeting with the families would send a clear message that the government was concerned about Natalee.  He had previously met with Beth and her family, and it was time to meet with my side...His opening remarks were those of a concerned man.  He told us that he had a son who was in college, and he expressed his sympathy about Natalee.  But then he proceeded to tell us how many hotels he had built and how many other ongoing projects he had.  In fact, he said he had a $90 million project currently in the works............I interjected, "Could I have the floor, and can I ask you three simple questions?"........I began my inquiry: 
Dave: "What is the legal age of gambling?"
Oduber: "18"
Dave: "What is the legal age of alcohol consumption?"
Oduber: "18"
Dave: "What is the legal age of driving?"
Oduber: "18"
He asked why I wanted to know.  I said, "In my country, a judge interprets the law and renders justice based on the crime.  He also has the responsibility to project an image to the public that would represent trust, honesty, and integrity.  Paulus Van der Sloot's son is only seventeen.  How can a man training to be a judge sit at a poker table with his son and allow him to gamble, go to Carlos'n Charlie's and order drinks, and even drive?  What kind of image does this project upon the average person in Aruba?  Ordinary people are fined and sent to prison, but does it apply to Paulus van der Sloot and his son?  Are they above the law?"
   The prime minister responded, "Nobody here is above the law, and van der Sloot will not be a judge."  Apparently, Paulus had failed the test required to become a judge on the island.  The prime minister added that he had been trying to close Carlos'n Charlie's for some time, I told him I would quote him and hold him to his word that "No one is above the law."


I would really like to know what the specifics are because I agree that it seems if he "taught" the classes, he should know the material required to pass the test.  I just have to wonder if that is all there is to it.
 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #2092 on: February 17, 2008, 03:55:08 PM »

If I am correct, I think Paulus had already learned he did not pass his judge tests or what ever you call them.  He had spent a lot of time on Curacao, I think, studying for them.  Didn't we learn that Paulus was never home and Anita shouldered much of the discipline for three boys?  How could Paulus not pass them?  What did he do all the time he was supposed to be studying and learning?  It seems to me that he had to be appointed and maybe he didn't make the friends he needed to make.  Perhaps, he knew the law well enough to "move around in the palace" but couldn't get past the fact that he had made enemies earlier in his life that had come back to haunt him.  The latter seems far fetched to me given the fact that all the judges have seemingly covered for him at every opportunity.  I am still perplexed over it also.
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« Reply #2093 on: February 17, 2008, 04:29:40 PM »

Shango may have been messing with the bloggers, but 3 years after the fact more and more of what he had to say seems to fit with what is now known … IMO.

Shango said:
Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?  (Someone holds power over him … ???)
Why won’t he talk?  (Except to spout his “invented stories” … who is writing Joran’s script???)

Then:
The dice throwers know
The maze of the rave
And the fly that entered the trap (a set-up or something pre-planned … maybe just for Natalee or something done on a regular basis???  I think the latter … Joran says at least 20 times before and the casino folk know about it)

Shango speaking of DirtyHand:
He walks in many circles (has his ear to the ground and knows what is happening on the entire island and who is involved with what and is accepted into all social strata … has to be someone that can go everywhere without raising eyebrows)
………
but DirtyHand is afraid to rave (if he involved himself here he would be vulnerable to those running this operation … so he may make an appearance on occasion, but does not “party”/”play”)
 

Then:
Follow the music (locate where the rave is on any given night … after hours private party.  I would think that they either have a DJ, with his portable sound equipment or a live band of some sort , so if one knew to listen, the rave would be easily located.  Hotel suites could be involved, that would make sense with Casinos located in the Hotels)
 
I have already indicated that the Allegro and Wyndham may have had a connection:
Riversol  and Smith were mentioned:
Who were they chummy with???
Who did they have on board financially???
Do they have a connection to Curacao???

………..

Ask the men who play dice and “roll” (this is a regular thing on Aruba and there are regular players/partiers, elite and their guests)
Follow the music
The DiceMen must be questioned (DiceMen are not same as men who play dice … they are the Casino employees/bosses)
They go to the Music and enter the same Maze (The casino employees pick up a little extra money by working the after hours private parties, maybe, or they go as participants???)

Then:
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon (the dirty underbelly of Aruba, I believe)
Be careful of the lions (players/partiers, elite … probably not all from Aruba)
DirtyHand does not have them tamed (they live above the law, doing what they please)
But he can enter the den ( the lions allow DirtyHand to enter the maze/rave … I don’t know who DirtyHand is but I agree he most likely is Jan VDS)

Caps:
I really appreciate all the work you have done and how you have tried to make us understand how Arubans think, but mostly I have been lost.  I guess I just can’t understand the Aruban thought process any better than I understand the Justice system.  Thanks for all your input.

Colombo:
I remember the clips from Greta’s OTR, I did watch them then.  I was really interested in Beth and how serious she was as she looked around.  Made me wonder if she was looking for an actual something.  Big suite … was it on the 7th level??? Or owned by a 7th level Mason???
About the “notes” in Shango.  Is it referring to money???  Or actual notes … handbill, as in something printed on paper and handed out to certain people.  You know, like the stuff that gets stuck under your wiper blades at the shopping centers.  Advertising!  I seem to remember Dave or Jug or someone say something like that very early on, first few weeks.
Gamblers took note=noticed/saw/see it all or do they let others know when a fly is ready for the trap???

LaLa,
Thank you for posting the Simian/Shango along with all the comments from bloggers. 
I have to agree with you about the coverup and its purpose.

I was going to post this last night … early AM, talked myself out of it, but after reading something I saved from the front page that was posted 12-01-06 decided to post it.  I am going to post a few quotes from that front page too.






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« Reply #2094 on: February 17, 2008, 04:36:13 PM »

Caps post aboput the DaVinci Code made me remember seeing this posted ... and I think it was here (maybe another blog) that a heated discussion developed.  Anyway, for what it is worth, they were discussing the Mason and levels and rites, etc.
 
This is about the 7th level , Royal Arch Degree

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I furthermore promise and swear, that I will assist a Companion Royal Arch Mason when I see him engaged in any difficulty, and will espouse his cause so far as to extricate him from the same, whether he be right or wrong.
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« Reply #2095 on: February 17, 2008, 04:42:36 PM »

Was the Judge a freemason too with all those secret rooms at the lodge. Natalee was hidden in plain sight in a secret room at
 the lodge? King Solomons keys-not gold paths that freemasons speak of. Masonic cult activities. Bifrons, he changeth dead bodies from place to place, ties into that freemason cult.
Comment by Allan K | December 1, 2006, 5:32 pm
Freemasons can not sprak out.
7 th level at the mason lodbe
Comment by Allan K | December 1, 2006, 5:33 pm
Natalee’s Key;
Is across the sea;

Natalee’s Key;
Is across the sea;
In the dirty hands of Arch-Royalty.
Follow decendants of Templars who;
Will convince you at last;
That Shango was true.
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« Reply #2096 on: February 17, 2008, 04:43:44 PM »

Does anyone have a picture of Ben Vocking?
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« Reply #2097 on: February 17, 2008, 04:47:43 PM »

Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
HEADQARTERS MASON
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold Mason
is entered
7 th level right here in Aruba
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Messengers fed at the banquet hall;
them;
One and all.
Mention of Bacchus and his poison wine;
Is a Masonic oath;
That secrecy binds.
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Mary ROLLED through the Maze MASON LODGES
There is more than one house of music
the Lamb is a Scapegoat
Comment by Allan K | December 1, 2006, 6:22 pm
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno MASONS
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
MASONS
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SHANGO:
All know of the music
beckoning lost souls
to enter the seven levels of inferno
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?
Enter the Maze.
SONG (From Cole’s “Antient Constitutions”, 1731)
I
As I at Wheeler’s Lodge one Night
Kept Bacchus company;
For Bacchus is a Mason bright,
And of all Lodges free- free- free..
II
Said I, great Bacchus is adry,
Pray give the God some Wine;
Jove in a Fury did reply,
October’s as divine- divine- divine.
III
It makes us Masons more compleat,
Adds to our Fancy Wings,
Makes us as happy and as great
As mighty Lords and Kings- Kings- Kings.
FOLLOW THE MUSIC
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« Reply #2098 on: February 17, 2008, 04:51:26 PM »

There is more if anyone would like it posted.  It is from the front page of SM, Dec. 2006.
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« Reply #2099 on: February 17, 2008, 04:55:00 PM »


Shango said:

"The lamb shall run anew in virgin fields, cropping sweet grass which should remain untouched"

I read a little earlier that Joran was fearful for his life ??? and was on a ski vacation in Germany??? 
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