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« Reply #2380 on: February 20, 2008, 04:50:58 AM »

Sorry for the O/T...but I did find an Arambatzis in Sydney!!!!   
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« Reply #2381 on: February 20, 2008, 04:53:06 AM »


 

Aruba and Banjo Paterson - now that really stretches the imagination.


And the bush hath friends to meet him, and their kindly voices greet him
In the murmur of the breezes and the river on its bars,
And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,
And at night the wond'rous glory of the everlasting stars.


Time for you to travel south again soon Mum. 
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« Reply #2382 on: February 20, 2008, 04:56:36 AM »

Sorry for the O/T...but I did find an Arambatzis in Sydney!!!!   

We do have a slightly more open immigration policy these days.
Talking of which I noticed one Monkey mention a few threads back that the van der Sloots could possibly migrate to Australia.  With their history in Aruba and our immigration policy they would not make it past the first step.

 
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« Reply #2383 on: February 20, 2008, 04:58:50 AM »


 

Aruba and Banjo Paterson - now that really stretches the imagination.


And the bush hath friends to meet him, and their kindly voices greet him
In the murmur of the breezes and the river on its bars,
And he sees the vision splendid of the sunlit plains extended,
And at night the wond'rous glory of the everlasting stars.


Time for you to travel south again soon Mum. 

G'day Tib...I guess I should stay away from youtube today....

Almost put the link for your Aussie thread as the new Shango thread, but didn't want to confuse our new friends from the Netherlands.

Confuse and Shango in the same sentence....LOL
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« Reply #2384 on: February 20, 2008, 05:01:51 AM »

Sorry for the O/T...but I did find an Arambatzis in Sydney!!!!   

We do have a slightly more open immigration policy these days.
Talking of which I noticed one Monkey mention a few threads back that the van der Sloots could possibly migrate to Australia.  With their history in Aruba and our immigration policy they would not make it past the first step.

 


LOL...I saw that....Pretty sure they wouldn't last long if they did...kangaroo court and all!
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« Reply #2385 on: February 20, 2008, 05:05:26 AM »


Yeah - to paraphrase an old saying :

You don't have to be mad to understand Shango, but it helps.


oops - I better log out before Lalas catches up with me.   
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« Reply #2386 on: February 20, 2008, 05:11:16 AM »

I have to go back and find Kermit's Raymbert....googled him last week...computer went poof a couple of days and I lost my history and can't even remember what his real name is!...

I think I've googled everyone between 15 and 30 on the island and half the people over...no wonder my computer is sick!

Have a great day Tib...need to go catch up on the other thread!
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« Reply #2387 on: February 20, 2008, 06:30:00 AM »

debra...the 2 guys ...in the pic...who are they, which is which please? TIA


Mum,
IIRC

Gregory Tromp:
http://hi5.com/friend/10231085--Gregory--Profile-html

Daury Rodriguez:
http://www.hi5.com/friend/3664670--Daury--Profile-html




Thanks again vms...I was behind yesterday and I am just now catching up. Is that our Jaime on Gregory's site?

Seems not much sticks to Jaime or Freddy....Of all the pimps Jaime has probably had the least written about him.....I posted yesterday that I had seen 2 posts that said that Jaime's Dad was a Columbian drug lord...one was from a SM poster...Jaime said in his PV that his Dad worked at the Wyndham and that he, Jaime picked him up from work at 11PM on 5/30.

I have no clue what question Jaime was asked or why he gave this answer, only know from this that he was at the Wyndham at 11PM the night the family arrived.

From SunFreak's Aruban Who's Who...He lived at Alto Vista at the time and I posted previously a quote from one of the MB students that one day early on they were searching the chapel and vicinity.

This may all be useless info, but I put it out there in case a light bulb goes on for another poster.
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« Reply #2388 on: February 20, 2008, 06:45:07 AM »

This one is an ISA student was questioned three times. And we have a Luis,supposed last name Betancourt.  LOL..either Columbian or Venezuelan that hangs around the beach and C&Cs with Joshua. Can't remember which is Columbian and which is Venezuelan right now.

Luis Guillermo Rodriguez


Luis is from Columbia as I recall. The reason this stands out is because of Ingrid Betancourt. Not saying there is any connection between the two, it is just why I recall the country of origin.

http://newschomp.blogspot.com/2007/12/ingrid-betancourt-hostage-of-farcs-in.html

BB...I was wrong about the Luis above....pics tend to confuse me...he was only questioned once IIRC

I had found that link when I searched Betancourt and IIRC could not find any in the phone book.

Because of the lies in Joran's book I was assuming that Luis and Joshua were in fact Jaime and Freddy...puts them on the beach and at C&Cs.

I will keep an open mind on this as there clearly is another Luis, maybe two, but I have always found it strange that neither Jaime or Freddy went out with J that night.

Others have posted that is why the 'something bad' happened, but I can't be completely sure that they were not there.

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« Reply #2389 on: February 20, 2008, 07:18:19 AM »

This is probably nothing that can be of any help but it came to me in the last week or so:

Andre Santos, in his PV, he mentions his car being green & like a SUV type is inferred IIRC.

DK letter to Betty, alibi/BS letter references on their RIDE seeing a green SUV pulled over, think it was prior to the lighthouse.

Andre Santos refers to driving a vehicle but it wasn't his own.

Andre Santos is referenced to driving 5/30 his brother & himself to school in his father's truck.

Why wasn't Andre Santos driving around in his own vehicle?  Maybe nothing, just wanted to mention in case someone has researched & come to any conclusions of same.


Light bulb went on for me on Sunday I think. I don't recall the letter to Betty and if I had the switch may have been flipped earlier.

This may not even be anything, but this is what I found and only put dates on interviews last night after I saw your post. Jacobs was involved with at least two interviews and I think Freddy may have been questioned around the same time at least twice...per the Discovery Time Log.

From SunFreak...Thanks again...

SANTOS, Montival da Silva – Father of Andre and Arthur Santos.  He is
the President of the Commercial Chamber Brazil Aruba.  The mission of
the CCBA is to promote the approach between governmental entities,
Brazilian and Aruban associations and entrepreneurs, aiming the
consolidation of the commercial and cultural relations between the two
nations.  Drives a green quad cab Ford Ranger, license plate number “A-
23794.” 
Played in the Texas Hold Em Tournament at the Excelsior Casino with Joran, Paulus, and Andre.  Took Elvis & Gladys Kelly to their home
in Noord after first stopping by the “Wendys.”

This from Ms Maple's thread

Quote Klaas....see link for article

Elvis Kelly and his wife Gladys were at the casino the same night
Joran and Natalee were. It's in Andre dos Santos statement.

Elvis Kelly is related to Gregorio Kelly. Gregorio Kelly was just murdered in the Netherlands. It appears it happened at a casino.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.

Lala's post from I think Sunday

Who is Loenardo Lopez Riveria?  Jacobs and Soemers spoke to him the
same day as Satish was interrogated and Carmen was interviewed on what
is believed to be an alibi for Freddy and Joran

This is what I found...

Questioned...I believe...6/27…7/1….8/29 ISA student

   http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm


From SunFreak again

CHATO   – aka Leonardo, Mexican, drives a green 4 door Ford pick-up
truck



This is Luis..also questioned by Jacobs

Luis Guillermo Rodriguez 7/22


Once again...this may all be useless information, but anyone that Jacobs interviewed I am suspicious of.

Maybe it will help someone connect some dots or solve a riddle.

I can't believe that I had already searched both Leonardo's separately and not realised that here may be a connection!
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« Reply #2390 on: February 20, 2008, 07:25:20 AM »

One more thing...you think it might be Freddy that let that info out...Simian continues with this...could it have been Steve instead?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:14 pm
The Kalpoes will remain detained, because they agreed to go along with the Holiday Inn story.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 3:17 pm P 1178
Steve Croes is singing.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 10:35 am P 1181
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?


What day was it Paulus was detained? was it after Steve Croes did his singing?

I believe it was 6/23/05 unless it was late in the day on 6/22


It was 6/23/2005 and J says in his book that he was picked up at the prison when he was going for a visit, I think...LOL

The Discovery Time Log says on the blue stripe that it was 6/22/2005!!! I don't know if this is just an error, but I have to careful now when I look for anything around those dates.
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« Reply #2391 on: February 20, 2008, 07:29:44 AM »

Starting far left back row:

Koen Gottenbos
Joran
Sander Gottenbos
Not sure
Freddy Arambatzis
Jaime C

Bottom:
Not sure - but not Santos
Valentijn

Remember this photo was taken at Sasha's birthday party.  We have determined that Sasha and Freddy are related. 

Thanks Klaas...I had forgotten about Sasha and Freddy...the one Not sure at the back is who I was wondering about.



Here’s both the morse code…same thing.

From Caps

EL PADRE (The Father)

SOO SANE  w TRUTH WILL BE UNVELIED fullstop

From JE

ID PADRE

SOOS A NEW TRUTH WIDL BE UNVELED


The next question to ask is....what happened or was revealed shortly after that post?

Just to add more confusion :  Padre can also mean clergyman.


Like in a pastor.....I think we have a pic of one here somewhere!

Lala's....re the plain English....for an 'oldie' too!
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« Reply #2392 on: February 20, 2008, 07:41:34 AM »

Caps...are we still trying to decipher the code from the letters a few pages back?

I am a little lost with that and still lost with your "plain view"...I didn't understand the first time...and I'm sure it's just me...Thanks anyway Caps

If it's any consolation....I did understand 'Waltzing Matilda'...or the lyrics at least.

COLUMBO...I know you don't think this is the real key, but anytime I see Frenchman, I think of Lacle=key!

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« Reply #2393 on: February 20, 2008, 07:49:28 AM »

Lala's...I need to ask this again, in light of some posts on the Natalee thread yesterday about a missing boy.

I recall who Grande thinks is Simian and have absolutely no way of knowing how he came to this conclusion, but have wondered if it may not have been....see first paragraph.

Guess it really is not important anyway...just peaked my interest as Aruba and coincidence seem to go hand in hand....
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« Reply #2394 on: February 20, 2008, 08:24:30 AM »

Found this while looking for something else....in regards to the DNA mentioned yesterday...I have to go find the other link to check as I found this in the Dr Phil thread...check date...description and address...doesn't look like the toothbrush to me!

Writer/Initiator: Brendan F.Shea (DNA Analysis Unit 1)
Description: DNA samples compared
Source: FBI
Lab nr : 050611001KSRT
Location: Quantico,VA 22135
G€˘ Name/Title /Description: transcript of house search (van der Sloot)
Date: 15 June 2005 / 12:15
Pages: 2
File #: none
Location: Montana 19
Writerllnitiator. Rodolfo Tromp
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« Reply #2395 on: February 20, 2008, 08:51:37 AM »

Caps...In plain view...eyes in the sky...just ran across this name...

Bigwig....Sijtsma - Curacao

Found it interesting that in the translated article I found mention of both Carib and Southern Cross...appears to be both military references and of course we all know what the other "Southern Cross" is ...


De Nederlandse antillen - Curacao - Bonaire - Saba - Sint ...- [ Translate this page ]nieuwe commadant op Curacao gestationeerd. WILLEMSTAD — Met veel ceremonieel en in aanwezigheid van een groot aantal genodigden droeg Frank Sijtsma gisteren ...
www.antillenmagazine.nl/2007_06_24_archive.html - 34k -


Why do I keep waiting for my computer to go 'poof'.....
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« Reply #2396 on: February 20, 2008, 09:30:02 AM »

It appears the one I posted above was actually two different items....sorry for the confusion....I should have checked first...but I still don't know what it means...house search was 6/15

Name/Title: Laboratory report (DNA)
File No: 163a-bb-1426
Date: 15 June 2005
Pages: 3
Writer/Initiator: Brendan F.Shea (DNA Analysis Unit 1)
Description: DNA samples compared
Source: FBI
Lab nr : 050611001KSRT
Location: Quantico,VA 22135

Name/Title /Description: transcript of house search (van der Sloot)
Date: 15 June 2005 / 12:15
Pages: 2
File #: none
Location: Montana 19
Writerllnitiator. Rodolfo Tromp
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« Reply #2397 on: February 20, 2008, 09:35:00 AM »

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:34 am
That which is hidden shan’t be found in the light
Break ye the hand and the hidden comes to light.
Why have all forgotten DirtyHand, who has aided son of SlanderFoot?
He holds the key! (real key-to the poison house)

There are many circles, but each has a center.
DirtyHand holds the key to the secrets of the SlanderFoot Clan
Babylon holds the answers

All Secrets are hidden in Plain View
http://www.juvenilejusticefund.org/documents/childProstitution_summary.pdf


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« Reply #2398 on: February 20, 2008, 09:35:38 AM »

elders of "the game," not just of babylon........
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« Reply #2399 on: February 20, 2008, 09:39:27 AM »

children of the elders play in the maze

Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf


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