SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[CapsLockWizard]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.

Don't get me wrong...Paulus could fit the 5th suspect just as easily if we could just get that "boyfriend" term in perspective.   Yep, clear as mud. LOL

He is if, you know what he did and where he did it, or assisted in the wrong doing.

Lala, the 5th Waltz.

[sirensong]

Is it possible  "the lamb" in Shango's riddle is not Joran?  Maybe they were going to make Guido the scapegoat.   I find it VERY interesting that Paulus contacted him.  And we KNOW it was not about Joran winning money, such an  obvious  lie.   They were making it all up day by day.  No wonder Joran was claiming his dad had a bad memory.  Once Paulus was jailed, he was  terrified Joran would say something that would incriminate him.  Paulus knew what a big mouth, stupid punk his son was.  He couldn't even believe or trust him.   Yes, Paulus is the  fifth suspect, waltzing away.

[Finbar]

So, as far as we have traveled, all we know fer certain is:
1. JVDS is a bisexual
2. JVDS Bogarts spliffs

The ghost of Bob Marley be sayin', "be tokin' or passin' mon, ire."

Bi? I don't care if one be homo or hetero, but bi? Jeez St Patrick in Heaven! Choose a side you greedy bi-pig!

Fin

[MumInOhio]

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend

Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Was Freddy really a witness or were they just treating him like one in case they could trip him up on his stories and how they did or did not conflict with the others? 

Lala's....I really believe Freddy was a suspect at some time. Just from the way that the Log is written when Karen and Carmen were interviewed.

After Lorenzo was questioned on the 28th. Freddy doesn't have anything for us to identify what he is.

After being kicked off yesterday, I had a chance to read some of my notes. The first thing is that I was misreading what Marianne Croes said about Freddy on the 9th of June. That means I need to have a good look at the time right before Karen came in.

I think you are right Lala's....Karen and Carmen are part of Freddy's alibi.

[MumInOhio]

From the same PV of Paulus June 18:
You are asking me whether I asked Joran for Guido's phone-number. I did indeed do that to verify with Guido if Joran had truly won third place at the Holiday Inn Tournament. Joran had told me he had won third place, he said he had won $150 and had exchanged these into Aruban florin. I had my doubts because he hadn't told me he had won the money immediately after winning it. I spoke with Guido at the “Raquet Club” and he told me Joran did indeed win third or fourth place. I allow Joran to play the “Free Tournaments” but he is not allowed to play for real money in the casino.


Hmmmmm!  Joran in a casino playing poker and blackjack...we know he was sitting at a table playing, because we have a video of it.  He was playing with REAL MONEY.  I doubt he was just sitting there trying to get fake money back for one of those girls.  Paulus was also playing with REAL money. 

This statement, if we had it in it's entirety would be a real eye opener. Most of it is lies...but even lies tell a tale.  ALE already knew Guido was involved in some way...they were asking Paulus if he...Paulus himself....had called Guido!  Paulus had other reason to call Guido and it wasn't about fake money...Paulus already knew the answer to that...he was sitting there with Joran. MOO

Guido had an ATV and car taken IIRC.

Wasn't he supposedly at the casinos on the Monday as well as Deepak and Santos? Joran's alibe for the night the family arrived.

And Paulus said he called Guido at the Racquet Club...that club is bugging me....these pimps keep mentioning it the next 3 or 4 days after Natalee disappeared.

[MumInOhio]

I do remeber hearing about Guido with the scratches....seems Jossy thinks it is someone else though? GVC maybe? Sorry Lala's I know this non-Shango is making you 

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    Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.

Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

http://tinyurl.com/2axrma

GVC has crossed my mind too. I've posted before that his Dad was reportedly interrogated early on, read it somewhere and did not save it.

GVC was mentioned as having contact with the MB'ers and I can't forget the way he reacted to that phone call from his Mom. I suggested once that maybe it was his Mom and his Dad had been questioned.

I wonder when he left Aruba, if his Dad still owns VCB? The house was still for sale as of 12/17/2007, though I haven't checked lately.

I always think of him when I see those reports of arrests that didn't happen on 6/11. the news report said outside the city and everytime I see a map it reminds me of Paradera.

[MumInOhio]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.

This is what I was trying to say...LOL...must be my accent...

[MumInOhio]

It is becoming much more likely that Freddy is the 5th suspect.  He certainly was in the mix as a witness...did Simian interchange the words suspect and witness or was he calling Freddy was he really was.....SUSPECT...it's harder to get suspects to talk...but leave them as witnesses and you get more from them.  It's that darn alibi that keeps throwing a kink in all this information. 

I think it would depend on the vantage point from where Simian was observing the case. Just thinking out loud,but the nearer the inside(to ALE), possibly the more privy to information and therefore the more likely to consider Freddy the fifth. By contrast my post referring to PVDS as the fifth is according to MSM. Clear as mud-I know.

Don't get me wrong...Paulus could fit the 5th suspect just as easily if we could just get that "boyfriend" term in perspective.   Yep, clear as mud. LOL

LOL...wild and crazy guy...NOT

Hi Fin....

[MumInOhio]

Is it possible  "the lamb" in Shango's riddle is not Joran?  Maybe they were going to make Guido the scapegoat.   I find it VERY interesting that Paulus contacted him.  And we KNOW it was not about Joran winning money, such an  obvious  lie.   They were making it all up day by day.  No wonder Joran was claiming his dad had a bad memory.  Once Paulus was jailed, he was  terrified Joran would say something that would incriminate him.  Paulus knew what a big mouth, stupid punk his son was.  He couldn't even believe or trust him.   Yes, Paulus is the  fifth suspect, waltzing away.

I posted a link a while back, probably 20 pages by now and posted that it almost made Joran sound like the 'boyfriend from earlier in the week'. If I run across it I will repost.

[MumInOhio]

BB....I believe that J2K were arrested early in the morning and the phone call that GVC got was in the nightly hours....

[MumInOhio]

GVC was in the Netherlands 5/09/2006 and Guido was arrested on 5/21/2005. He was threatening to sue....

I wonder if he had scratches?????

Also at the link about 'Willem' van C. being questioned, but I did see 'interrogaed' before.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=opsporing

[Lala'sMom]

Mum brought something to my attention today...concerning the raquet club and tennis.  Hope you don't mind..I found it interesting.

quote from Mum:
Sounds like someone gave his name. Just started searching and if I
change the name to Sanchez...I come up with a Columbian tennis player.

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

With further discovery we find that both Humphrey Hose and Magda Frans from the Raquet Club are interviewed on the same day...along with Steve Croes and then  the next day....who is arrested?????    Paulus.

This is about those shoes and whether or not Joran was ever at that club the next day.  Paulus was kind of vague on those details.


Paulus June 25, 2005
We spoke last time about that Monday night when Joran was at the "Raquet Club", that I only took the bag with me. I am remembering that it was around 08:00pm when I took the bag to Joran at the “Raquet Club”, this was when Joran was walking in the direction of the Marriott and made the announcement that he was going to participate in the “Free Tournament” at the Wyndham that this came up. In my view I even grumbled to Joran and then went on to pick up Sebastian at the ZEOLA family. Again I am not sure. This image comes in my head, but I had no reason at that moment to remember any of these things. I had done a lot on automatic pilot. Sure when it came to pickup and bring the kids back. I also don't know the relevance of this fact.

On your question if I can tell you what Joran wore that day, I can explain to you the following:

I can remember very vague, in my view he had something blue, but I am not absolutely sure.

On your question if I can remember what kind of shoes Joran had on, I can explain to you the following:

I think that he had a gym shoes on, but I am not sure.

On your question on what time did the above occur, I can explain to you the following:

The association of 08.00pm comes to me, because I thought that the tournament didn't start at 08.00pm?

On your question if I saw other friends of Joran at the "Raquet Club" on that Monday night of May 30 2005, I can explain to you the following:

I can't remember if I had seen Joran's friends.


Also keep in mind this same statement is the one with the confusing date...it either happened on June 23 or 25. 

After the suspect P.A.P.J van der Sloot had read his statement, he declared he agrees with what is on the paper and signed it. Of which by us, on oath of office made this warrant, closed and signed in Noord on June 23 (25*), 2005.

[MumInOhio]

I remember checking a while back and that whole Monday and the Racquet Club is a little weird. Will go back and revisit Joran's account as I know it didn't match with Paulus. At the time I was following the bag.

Got to finish checking on the days after at that Club....Joran 30th, Freddy 31st, Satish another day, Joran and a girl at the pool.

Joran does not say he met Freddy there on 5/30...Joran said he went to Freddy's house.... and had to wait for Freddy.

Isn't that Salinja by the Racquet Club?...Is that the one in the Aru-Bay/Chicago videos?...the ones with an arrow pointing at shoes?

[MumInOhio]

Thought I would post this for all of us…clear as mud….right?


HOLLOWAY INVESTIGATION: REVOLVING DOOR IN ARUBA?
Tuesday, April 25, 2006
 
snippied....

KOCK: No, not yet. But he was just held for interrogation, so he was not formally arrested. You can always be held for interrogation after six hour, and they didn't find necessity to keep detaining him after that. But we don't know yet who he is.

VAN SUSTEREN: But you get with it, which sort of is unusual, you get labeled "suspect." They pick you up; they talk to you. And even when they let you go because you didn't say enough to keep you, you're a suspect.

KOCK: Yes, well, you can hold somebody up and question them as a witness. But once you put the label on them "suspect," there are certain things that you can do to such a person, and I think that's why very — I don't want to say easily, but very rapidly you would want to qualify somebody a suspect. I mean, it's the interest of the investigating authorities.

[bleachedblack]

So, as far as we have traveled, all we know fer certain is:
1. JVDS is a bisexual
2. JVDS Bogarts spliffs

The ghost of Bob Marley be sayin', "be tokin' or passin' mon, ire."

Bi? I don't care if one be homo or hetero, but bi? Jeez St Patrick in Heaven! Choose a side you greedy bi-pig!

Fin

 

[MumInOhio]

Caps....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA

Of course I don't mind Lala's...

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

[Lala'sMom]

Caps....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA

Of course I don't mind Lala's...

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

CAPS
Do you know who this person is? 

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA

Of course I don't mind Lala's...

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

CAPS
Do you know who this person is? 

Which one

Johny Erasmus:

Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.
 

[sirensong]

You all may already have  this, but  came  across it  when searching one night.   I believe it is a register  of businesses that belong to the Aruba Chamber of  Commerce?   It  lists  the owner and the business address, and I have been checking it against  the other list of businesses I  posted.  If nothing else, it is  interesting to see the names on it.  My hope is that it will  be helpful to  one of  you smart Monkeys!

http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm

http://www.visitaruba.com/business/directory/busdir.mv?search