SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

I should really preview before I submit....I meant to add that I have only done what I can...there are so many others so much smarter than myself.  Thanks for the compliment.  Post more in here...we get lonely some days.

[JE]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

Just a farfetched thought i googled "doolhof"(maze in dutch) and "aruba"

There was a maze at the church in aruba but that was made after may 29 th

but this also came up with this book: "Spoken en goudzoekers" (Ghosts and golddiggers)
http://biblioteca.arubahost.com/index.php3?h=178&maand=02-2007

Its a story about kids that have adventures on the island

it says:Bij een ander nachtelijk avontuur, tijdens een kampeerweek op het rif bij Savaneta, vallen ze in handen van cocaïnesmokkelaars en worden ontvoerd!Ook gaan ze op zoek naar de goudschat die volgens een legende verborgen ligt in de grotten van Rooi Taki. Het wordt een bloedstollende tocht door de doolhof  van onderaardse gangen en spelonken, waar achter iedere bocht nieuw gevaar dreigt

short translation: During a nightly adventure whilst on a camping trip at the reef of savaneta they fall into the hands of cocaine smugglers and are abducted. They also go looking for the treasure which according to legend is hidden in the caves of Rooi Taki. A thrilling journey through the maze of underground corridors follows.

Rooi Taki is a place on the island. It s probably nothing but maybe someone s familiar with the place

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA

Of course I don't mind Lala's...

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

CAPS
Do you know who this person is? 

Which one

Johny Erasmus:

Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard

Caps no way Erasmus works with Sonesta.  He was ALE and taking statements from this guy Sanches. He and Bozeman were both ALE.  Please recheck your sources. TIA

Yep Jiame is a Cop is a Cop and his cousin Jaime that is also Jaime works at the Hotel.

But the question is the mistery Snaches that is not on aruba no more and is now in Palm Beach.

Remeber my fellow monkeys, the Riddle is two stories in one but related.

The Natalee and the Nelson O./AHATA.

Remember there is
2 cowboys, 2 lamb, 2 Ditryhand exept that Dirtyhand and Dirty Hand are explicit separated. etc.

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA

Of course I don't mind Lala's...

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

CAPS
Do you know who this person is? 

Which one

Johny Erasmus:

Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard

Caps no way Erasmus works with Sonesta.  He was ALE and taking statements from this guy Sanches. He and Bozeman were both ALE.  Please recheck your sources. TIA

Last Name:Porras
First Name:Jorge A   
Date of Birth:12/30/1982
Place of Birth:Caracas, Venezuela
Current Address:Rondweg 21, Aruba

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps....I've been googling away and I bet you know what this means...TIA

Of course I don't mind Lala's...

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

CAPS
Do you know who this person is? 

Which one

Johny Erasmus:

Johny work for Sonesta Hotel in Aruba. He hanga out a lot in the Casinos.
Jaun Boezem: is being check....I know his brother is a KIA Guard

Caps no way Erasmus works with Sonesta.  He was ALE and taking statements from this guy Sanches. He and Bozeman were both ALE.  Please recheck your sources. TIA

Last Name:Porras
First Name:Jorge A   
Date of Birth:12/30/1982
Place of Birth:Caracas, Venezuela
Current Address:Rondweg 21, Aruba

The Mother is living at the same Address, there is no info on the Father

Last name:Porras Rodriguez,
Born: Sanchez
First Name: Josefa O   
Date Of Birth: 1/9/1945,
Current Address: Rondweg 21, Aruba

[CapsLockWizard]

The problem with the name is the Sanchez.

Porros as a last name exist

Sanchez as a Lastname with Jorge as First name but no Porros --NONE

This name must have been made up by someone to protect something.

will check one more datamine.

[texasmom]

The problem with the name is the Sanchez.

Porros as a last name exist

Sanchez as a Lastname with Jorge as First name but no Porros --NONE

This name must have been made up by someone to protect something.

will check one more datamine.

CapsLockWizard,
I haven't been able to spend as much time here as I'd like lately.  I just wanted to say THANKS! for coming here and helping us.  I really do appreciate all you've done and are doing to help us make sense of all of this....and I don't know if you saw the compliment I gave the other day so I'll say it again.....I love that avatar!  It's COOL!
TM

[MumInOhio]

Caps…..


There is this person on the Discovery Log since the mother has this name as well. And there is also a ‘Daury Rodriguez’ … LOL

Name: Luis Guillermo Rodriguez
Date:22 July 2005
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Zoraida De Cuba
Description: witness statement

Responsive to Request 41 + Name: Jorge Porras Sanches 

Caps…I am still not sure what the ‘responsive to request 41’ means.   TIA

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

Lamb and the Elder are stepping stones into the fetid pool of deception.

Just a farfetched thought i googled "doolhof"(maze in dutch) and "aruba"

There was a maze at the church in aruba but that was made after may 29 th
but this also came up with this book: "Spoken en goudzoekers" (Ghosts and golddiggers)
http://biblioteca.arubahost.com/index.php3?h=178&maand=02-2007

Its a story about kids that have adventures on the island

it says:Bij een ander nachtelijk avontuur, tijdens een kampeerweek op het rif bij Savaneta, vallen ze in handen van cocaïnesmokkelaars en worden ontvoerd!Ook gaan ze op zoek naar de goudschat die volgens een legende verborgen ligt in de grotten van Rooi Taki. Het wordt een bloedstollende tocht door de doolhof  van onderaardse gangen en spelonken, waar achter iedere bocht nieuw gevaar dreigt

short translation: During a nightly adventure whilst on a camping trip at the reef of savaneta they fall into the hands of cocaine smugglers and are abducted. They also go looking for the treasure which according to legend is hidden in the caves of Rooi Taki. A thrilling journey through the maze of underground corridors follows.

Rooi Taki is a place on the island. It s probably nothing but maybe someone s familiar with the place

JE...do you know what church this was? there is a picture of Freddy in a church and also a post from one of the students that stayed to search for Natalee that said they were searching a church where Natalee eas belived to be.  TIA

[JE]

MUM it was the Alto Vista Chapel there's more info here

http://olgathetravelingbra.blogspot.com/2007/12/feeling-rummy-in-aruba.html

[JE]

Here ' s some more info

http://www.newdayherald.org/template.php3?ID=704

[MumInOhio]

FREDDY – Is he the 5th. Suspect?

Revised as I think Tamikosmom has found the missing pieces of the puzzle.

I have inserted two entries which I believe show that Freddy was indeed a suspect some time between June 16th. And 28th. 2005 in the Natalee Holloway case.


Reply #29 on: Yesterday at 11:13:51 AM quote Tamiksmom»   
 

Logic implies that Freddy Arambatzis 6th and 7th declarations ... the declaration that affirms Joran van der Sloot's words in the Peter Devries' video recording ... are missing.

I hope John Q. Kelly is looking into this.

Janet

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FREDDY ARAMBATZIS

Joran van der Sloot
De Zaak Natalee Holloway

Page 160/161

After Freddy's second statement on June 13th at 18:30, in which he keeps insisting that I told him the first story already on May 30th, the police confront us as best friends with each other.  Some further statements follow after that.  In the end Freddy states in his 6th and 7th statements that I have told him that Natalee went unconscious several times and did not regain consciousness at a certain moment, that I tried to wake her up by shaking her but that but this also did not work.

Unofficial Engish translation

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Phil McGraw Disclosure Log
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 12 June 2005 / 11:05
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement of Joran van der Sloot's neighbor/friend
 
Name: loran van der Sloot & Freddy Arambatzis
Date; 13 June 2005118:30
Pages: 2
Writer/lnitiator: Dennis Jacobs I Juan Boezem
Description: transcript of a face to face meeting
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambaizis
Date: 13 June 2005 / 17:00
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator. Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
Date: 16 June 2005115:30
Pages: 8
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement

Name: Freddy Zedan
Date:17 Juni 2005
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis

Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis

Name: Freddy Alexander Zedan Arambatzis
Date:28 June 2005 / 14:25
Pages: 11
Writer/Initiator: Shaniro Kelly & Haydee Nadal
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date: 1 July 2005
Pages: 9
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Haydee Azucena
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
Date:20 July 2005
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs, Eric Soemers
Description: witness statement
 
Name: Freddy Alenxander Arambatzis
Date: 10 February 2006/17:15
63
Pages: 5
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Eric Soemers
Description: interrogation of a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

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Joran refused to give a statement in the morning of 6/24 until his Dad is released.

Joran then comes back in the evening and the talk is all about Karen.(There are two statements at the link below)

http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/police_documents/joran624.htm




Page 160 ..from Book

You are informing me that Freddy has stated that I told him the first
story on May 30th 2005 in the afternoon. In response to your question if that is true I answer you that this could be true. You are informing me that Freddy is stating that I told him Natalee went unconscious several times on the way to the beach of the Marriott Hotel. That she at a certain moment did not regain consciousness and that we have left her on the beach. I don't know what to answer to this, because according to me, I did not tell the story to Freddy this way.

That Freddy has stated that we did not know what to do when she did not recover and that we then left her on the beach and that I left my sport
shoes behind, that is not correct. This did not happen this way. I have left my sport shoes at the Marriott beach. I think Freddy did not correctly understand what I told him.


Jossy and statement here:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/2005/08/26/freddie-locoman-pimp-questioned-before-sells-sex-video/


In this interview Jossy Mansur confirms Freddie Arambatzis-Zedan is now being held in prison. Mansur explains that he takes sexual pictures of “unsuspecting” girls and then sells it. The girls are apparently aware and okay with the picture taking, however not with the distribution of them. No offense but I think if you allow someone to take a picture of you, especially one that claims to be “Locoman Pimp”, you should be well aware of his intent. Mansur says this guy was held in the beginning of the investigation and obviously the media was not made aware of this. Jossy says he is probably being held because of a false alibi for Joran van der Sloot he initially gave police.

DOWNLOAD and view video here.

THE FIFTH SUSPECT

1…Joran

2….Deepak

3…Satish

4…Steve Croes….AM of 6/17/2005

5…Freddy….before 1.55 PM…6/23/2005…per Karen’s statement

6...Paulus van der Sloot…….6/23/2005…..in the nightly hours….

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Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject:

The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject:

Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.

[MumInOhio]

MUM it was the Alto Vista Chapel there's more info here

http://olgathetravelingbra.blogspot.com/2007/12/feeling-rummy-in-aruba.html

Thanks....JE...That is the one that the MB student said that they were searching around. IIRC it was early June. I will see if I saved it....LOL...in all my Freddy docs....otherwise I will have to search the thread....big..LOL

[MumInOhio]

This was the earlier post I made on 1/11/2008...


UNCAPHER:  Well, normally, they‘ve been searching from the lighthouse to the Alta Vista, which is a church which they think that Natalee may be.   And then this area, there is just a lot of brush and just a lot of ground to cover and also little homes that we may think that, you know, people don‘t have cable or—we can‘t imagine people not knowing about this, but we are just trying to go out there just to see if, you know, people haven‘t heard about it.

CACERES,  JAIME, Alberto Carrasquilia (DOB 4-25-85) - born in Columbia, E.P.I.(Sector Economico)  reportedly one of the PIMPS. Drives a 4 door green Honda Civic, 1997 or 1998. Nickname “Beto”   The places he frequents are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. Met Joran through Freddy in 2004.  Worked at Caribbean Overseas (June 2005).  Lives in the hamlet of Alto Vista, Aruba.   Interviewed by ALE on two occasions, 6-17-05 and 8-30-05.Joran met Jaime through Freddy according to Joran’s book.


On the way to the Alto Vista Chapel there is a paved road on the left leading to a water tank on a hill. The view from there encompasses the entire north end of the island including a good panoramic view of the Palm Beach hotels, the lighthouse, and the golf course.

http://www.orrin.org/aruba/
Looks like the road to Alto vista is not paved. See picture at link above.

‘Built by Spanish missionaries in 1750, services are still conducted in this little yellow chapel that is considered to be the first church...’

Looks more gold in this pic.

http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Aruba-Pictures/Chapel-of-Alto-Vista.htm

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
Very good work!  Yes, I think Freddy was the 5th...still trying to place him as meeting Natalee earlier.  We really need to find out if he was working anywhere near the Marriott that night.  I was just thinking about the two witnesses that we think provided the alibi.  What if Freddy was having friends over at his place near Joran's apartment?  It was just a couple of girls and they were just sitting around talking or whatever when Joran calls him or what if Freddy had a room somewhere in a hotel, such as, the Marriott and Joran just walked up and found Freddy to help him?  The chance of him being seen would be a good reason to claim a phone call being made at the pay phone. If we could just get a look at those PV's this entire 5th person would most likely be settled.  The alibi was so tight because those two girls said Freddy was with them all night.  Hmmmmm.  It's beginning to make even more sense now.  Anita would want to know what he said in order to keep Joran straight on his lies...goes back to her knowing it all from the very first.

Clink, clink, snap, snap...the pieces are falling into place.

[Lala'sMom]

This was the earlier post I made on 1/11/2008...


UNCAPHER:  Well, normally, they‘ve been searching from the lighthouse to the Alta Vista, which is a church which they think that Natalee may be.   And then this area, there is just a lot of brush and just a lot of ground to cover and also little homes that we may think that, you know, people don‘t have cable or—we can‘t imagine people not knowing about this, but we are just trying to go out there just to see if, you know, people haven‘t heard about it.

CACERES,  JAIME, Alberto Carrasquilia (DOB 4-25-85) - born in Columbia, E.P.I.(Sector Economico)  reportedly one of the PIMPS. Drives a 4 door green Honda Civic, 1997 or 1998. Nickname “Beto”   The places he frequents are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. Met Joran through Freddy in 2004.  Worked at Caribbean Overseas (June 2005).  Lives in the hamlet of Alto Vista, Aruba.   Interviewed by ALE on two occasions, 6-17-05 and 8-30-05.Joran met Jaime through Freddy according to Joran’s book.


On the way to the Alto Vista Chapel there is a paved road on the left leading to a water tank on a hill. The view from there encompasses the entire north end of the island including a good panoramic view of the Palm Beach hotels, the lighthouse, and the golf course.

http://www.orrin.org/aruba/
Looks like the road to Alto vista is not paved. See picture at link above.

‘Built by Spanish missionaries in 1750, services are still conducted in this little yellow chapel that is considered to be the first church...’

Looks more gold in this pic.

http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Aruba-Pictures/Chapel-of-Alto-Vista.htm

Remember the photos of the gate that was near a grotto?  Is that near this place?  My geography is always confused when it comes to Aruba.

[MumInOhio]

Mum
Very good work!  Yes, I think Freddy was the 5th...still trying to place him as meeting Natalee earlier.  We really need to find out if he was working anywhere near the Marriott that night.  I was just thinking about the two witnesses that we think provided the alibi.  What if Freddy was having friends over at his place near Joran's apartment?  It was just a couple of girls and they were just sitting around talking or whatever when Joran calls him or what if Freddy had a room somewhere in a hotel, such as, the Marriott and Joran just walked up and found Freddy to help him?  The chance of him being seen would be a good reason to claim a phone call being made at the pay phone. If we could just get a look at those PV's this entire 5th person would most likely be settled.  The alibi was so tight because those two girls said Freddy was with them all night.  Hmmmmm.  It's beginning to make even more sense now.  Anita would want to know what he said in order to keep Joran straight on his lies...goes back to her knowing it all from the very first.

Clink, clink, snap, snap...the pieces are falling into place.

Lala's....When I saw Tamikosmom's post yesterday on NAH it hit me. I looked at those '6th and 7' statements in the book a few days back and nothing made sense. When Tamik posted that two statements appear to be missing, it clicked.

On 6/28...Lorenzo is questioned, right after Freddy...could he be part of the alibi?

Also I need to go back on that ASI student that was questioned three times...two were on the same day as Freddy....LOL...maybe all three... and I think Jacobs was in on two. Will see what I find.

The place is going to be the hard thing.

Where did Joran stay when he was in Aruba that time with Fabienne? Do you recall?

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...the pics with the gate are back around page 25 or so...I'm not sure where it is. Do you want me to find them?

Alto Vista chapel is near the Natural Bridge.

I have been looking for a map as Freddy's Mon works at Bubali Sports Club and I was trying to find that and the Bird Sanctuary.

[Lala'sMom]

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject:

The mysterious hand...
See the hand. On the infamous picture in C&C. The boy in the middle and the Hindus on each
side.

Whose hand is on the shoulder of the Hindu on he left? Somebody is missing on this picture.
Maybe somebody was placed on this picture?

It seems more people are vanishing in this case.


Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject:

Who framed who?
Take a close look at the famous picture.

Deepak, Joran and Satish at C&C. Whose hand is on Satish's shoulder? Take another look.
A really good look.

It can never be the hand of any of the three.


Since we now know that Simian and Merian had the same email address...that confirms that they are either the very same person or at the least know each other.  I think they are the same person because of things Merian alludes to that are the same as Simian said in his posts. 

The "who framed who"  part has always had my attention...until now I could not understand it but since we have been working on the 5th suspect being Freddy...it now makes sense.  Did Freddy frame the 3 perps from the beginning or maybe it's more like blackmail?  Freddy is there and knows what happened...we know Joran claims she died on the beach...where was Joran and Natalee?  At a party perhaps in the hotel?  This takes us back to Tylergal's theory of a room being used.  Freddy was known to film underage girls...and didn't he work near the Marriott area? 

Now, going with Joran's story of her dying from some kind of seizure, then you could speculate that the Kalpoe's did indeed drop Joran and Natalee at the beach....after the party...she was in bad shape but they didn't realize it at the time.  Maybe they gave her too much of the drug.  Combine it with alcohol and pretty soon she's semi-conscious.  Something bad happened and it was Natalee's reaction to the drug and the resulting state she was in.  The plan was to leave her on the beach as they had done before, but she was in such a state when Joran was ready to leave her that he thought she was dead.  Panic time!

The Kalpoes know they left her on the beach and Freddy came to help.  The 5th suspect waltzed away because of his alibi....an alibi given by two girls that are most likely lying since they would be considered accomplices should anything be proven. Joran designed his story for Patrick to eliminate all involved including daddy that eventually came to clean up the mess.  It takes everyone out of the equation and gives Joran the leverage he needs to stay out of jail.  We never see those PV's and no one is the wiser. Interesting....indeed!

Good work! Mum.

[JE]

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