SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[sharon]

vms  I can't keep up with you 


http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg

I think Grande posted this  -  a pic of Ernesto and his domestic violence charge.

Lol, Sharon.
We worked together on Ernesto many moons ago. 

At BFN?? (but you weren't vms??)

HI     

[vms]

vms  I can't keep up with you 


http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg

I think Grande posted this  -  a pic of Ernesto and his domestic violence charge.

Lol, Sharon.
We worked together on Ernesto many moons ago. 

At BFN?? (but you weren't vms??)

HI     

You got it. 

I think we may have been the only two interested in him at the time. 

[sharon]

GREAT to see you (now that I know  )

And I see that you still have that 'data center' for all your info storage 

[vms]

GREAT to see you (now that I know  )

And I see that you still have that 'data center' for all your info storage 

Great to see you too!

Now, why are we searching Ernesto again? 

[Kermit]

Page 114 Jorans book
Joran visits neighbor Freddy

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

Mom's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

WELCO
Catiri 1
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5871916
Fax:

PARADISE RESTAURANT
Catiri 5 A
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5879126
Fax:
5-TH GEAR ART PRODUCTIONS
Catiri 6
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5871241
Fax: (297) 5871241
Email: lemminga@setarnet.aw



Freddy is Venezuelan



Ernesto on the left

Here are the exact charges against Freddy Arambatziz, according to Vinda de Sousa:

Intentionally distributing sexual images of a minor.
Intercourse with an unconscious person.
Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.

[Lala'sMom]

GREAT to see you (now that I know  )

And I see that you still have that 'data center' for all your info storage 

Great to see you too!

Now, why are we searching Ernesto again? 

I have forgotten. LOL

[Lala'sMom]

Page 114 Jorans book
Joran visits neighbor Freddy

7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT     LILIAN REGINA     MONTANJA     39-F
http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm


#39-F Montana (Montanja), Noord

Freddy’s house:
7A Catiri (apartment)

Mom's address is: 62 Montana is ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ address in NOORD

WELCO
Catiri 1
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5871916
Fax:

PARADISE RESTAURANT
Catiri 5 A
NOORD
Tel: (297) 5879126
Fax:
5-TH GEAR ART PRODUCTIONS
Catiri 6
ORANJESTAD
Tel: (297) 5871241
Fax: (297) 5871241
Email: lemminga@setarnet.aw



Freddy is Venezuelan



Ernesto on the left

Here are the exact charges against Freddy Arambatziz, according to Vinda de Sousa:

Intentionally distributing sexual images of a minor.
Intercourse with an unconscious person.
Sexual acts with a girl younger than 16 years.

That is what confuses me about all this.  Freddy was obviously being questioned concerning Natalee very early in all this.  From what we can tell he was the person arrested right after Steve Croes and yet, we never heard anything about him until we got a glimpse at those van conversations between Joran and K2.  Since then, he's been the mystery man, mostly because we didn't know he was on the radar early.  The only thing left is to establish that Natalee met Freddy earlier in her vacation...if that is done...then we most likely have found our 5th suspect. 


I wonder why Freddy would have Joran shaking in his boots?  What is the connection that Freddy has that could be that powerful?  The only thing I can think of would be drugs and money laundering and maybe even weapons smuggling of some type.

[Blonde]

FIN ... Here is a good link for Aruba Maps
http://www.fallingrain.com/world/AA/0/Noord.html

[MumInOhio]

Caps….Which is the father’s name please?

FREDDY ZEDAN ARAMBATZIS…is it ZEDAN…..TIA

[COLOMBO]

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?

[sharon]

Great to see you too!

Now, why are we searching Ernesto again? 

I have forgotten. LOL

I was going to say  -- I don't know why we're searching him again  -- but all it takes for me to spring into action is the mere mention of his name

 

[MumInOhio]

For Lala’s…Melody and scuba who is starting to sound like Simian!!!! Not sure how the posts got out of order...I don't think I did it...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/09/natalee_hollowa_4.html


good morning all
if it's true that freddy will be leaving aruba then good for him!!!
his dad has been dieing in venezuela and because of all this he couldn't go and visit him, put yourself in his shoes ... so, heartfully : good for him
Posted by: Melody | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:23 AM

BTW-Freddy had an ironclad alibi for the night in question-May 30-there was a big family event and he was with his family all night. Many Witnesses.
Posted by: scubajap | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:47 AM

Melody-check your mail
Posted by: scubajap | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:54 AM
 
Hmmmm. Then why on earth was he called into question? That makes no sense when many saw him partying with his family. He could not have any connection. Why would they do that?
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:54 AM
 
Sorry-May 29 to 30. He was not with the others the night Natalee disappeared.
Posted by: scubajap | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:55 AM

BTW-Freddy had an ironclad alibi for the night in question-May 30-there was a big family event and he was with his family all night. Many Witnesses.
Posted by: scubajap | Sep 3, 2005 11:47:20 AM

I thought he was supposed to have spent the night at Joran's apartment.
Posted by: DennisAOK | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 12:32 PM

[Lala'sMom]

June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Was I the one who was speculative? My story was not about the boys. Don’t dismiss if you can’t remember. Are you asking for a refresher?

So who is this cool and crazy guy?  Give us a name!

[MumInOhio]

Great to see you too!

Now, why are we searching Ernesto again? 

I have forgotten. LOL

I was going to say  -- I don't know why we're searching him again  -- but all it takes for me to spring into action is the mere mention of his name

 

LOL...It's because of Freddy!!!! Who I think is #5....

Now if COLUMBO can give me proof otherwise I will rethink it!

 

[Lala'sMom]

For Lala’s…Melody and scuba who is starting to sound like Simian!!!! Not sure how the posts got out of order...I don't think I did it...

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/09/natalee_hollowa_4.html


good morning all
if it's true that freddy will be leaving aruba then good for him!!!
his dad has been dieing in venezuela and because of all this he couldn't go and visit him, put yourself in his shoes ... so, heartfully : good for him
Posted by: Melody | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:23 AM

BTW-Freddy had an ironclad alibi for the night in question-May 30-there was a big family event and he was with his family all night. Many Witnesses.
Posted by: scubajap | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:47 AM

Melody-check your mail
Posted by: scubajap | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:54 AM
 
Hmmmm. Then why on earth was he called into question? That makes no sense when many saw him partying with his family. He could not have any connection. Why would they do that?
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:54 AM
 
Sorry-May 29 to 30. He was not with the others the night Natalee disappeared.
Posted by: scubajap | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 11:55 AM

BTW-Freddy had an ironclad alibi for the night in question-May 30-there was a big family event and he was with his family all night. Many Witnesses.
Posted by: scubajap | Sep 3, 2005 11:47:20 AM

I thought he was supposed to have spent the night at Joran's apartment.
Posted by: DennisAOK | Saturday, September 03, 2005 at 12:32 PM

One most step for Freddy to be the 5th suspect.  I was just reading in the pages 29 to 40. Somewhere in there is a post about Freddy and Joran spending time with the girls from MB for the first few days.  I can't remember where, but I swear I just read it. LOL   So I am thinking you were right on Mum.  Until someone proves to me otherwise...I am going with you.  Freddy was that other person Simian talked about...now someone prove me wrong.  Mum has done an excellent job of proving her point.  If anyone thinks it's someone else prove it like Mum did.

Mum we need bullet points on Freddy's qualifications as the 5th. LOL

[MumInOhio]

LOL Lala's...where would I find those little bullet things?

Do you think Freddy's gone?

Party with relatives....Ernesto...was the false alibi saying he was at the Sloots for Joran-sleeping over, but then his family bailed him out?

[MumInOhio]

Freddy's alibi...

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT   LILIAN REGINA..Mom

Stepdad
Stepsister...Sasha
The other Rodriguez...from Dr Phil...posted this morning

And I believe there is another one on the Log...may be HI security Guard

Got to look at that log again...

Still want to know why he is so protected...need his Dad's name!

[klaasend]

I did see some party pictures from the bars with Freddy last year.  I don't know if he's still in Aruba or maybe was there on school break?  Who knows?  If he's not in Aruba then my next guess would be with Ernesto in the Miami area.

[MumInOhio]

You mean I have to go find those posts again!

I think the Soul Beach Festival beach concerts at Moomba's would be a good bet, they started early afternoon.

[Finbar]

Blonde,

No, those are not they.

It was a long time ago... where I saw that map.

I think that the three names mentioned form a triangle(like all three points will) but I thought that the VS home was near the center of those three points.

I think the waters around his home were being searched.

Fetid pools of deception...maybe this is a clue that false clues were being planted to throw the dogs off. Maybe riddle was speaking in broader terms.

I still wonder what JVDS meant that he was lucky that no one found her... like maybe one of the searches was close.

That smirk on his face when he said, "it's a big ocean" maybe like she is not there. One thing for sure, that smirk also meant he knows where she is.

I do not think they had enough time to dump her that night. The next day/night they would have had time. That is why he had to be on the casino video.

Odd too that he made certain that he was on video. So, he knew about the casino video-taping before when he and Papa Perv were sitting at the same table as NH.

Odd also, that body turns up draining pond, body found in the LH dunes, "old indian graves" at Fisherman's Huts. Just how many bodies does Aruba lose?

Oh, and Nat of course. But are they really looking for her?

How many more?

Fin