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Author Topic: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1  (Read 1100895 times)
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« Reply #2760 on: February 26, 2008, 07:29:31 PM »

CAPS posted:

90.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx

…they boys met around the pool in Montanja.

…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Only one piece is missing. Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.

The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Not even a confession will help.

One witness is not a witness.

The body is needed.

CAPS,
Joran has now confessed and conveniently removed everyone from involvement, with the exception of Daury.  Does this leave the way clear for Natalee to be recovered or will this never happen???  Just your opinion as an Aruban.

well shango left someting very interesting in his posting...it is about the 46th.

if the holloways go Sloots vs Holloway in court, it will go nowhere. but if The holloway go for a Group vs a Group then they can use the 46th to get justice.

they should go USA citizen vs DUTCH citizen. A group of innocent on vacation beeing terrorized, prowled for a group pleasure leadind to Murder. Who killed her the group.

Individuality case then can be tried via extradiction to face the USA Justice after the 46th issue their verdict.




USA vs Dutch will never happen in a court of law.  I would be more than shocked if it did.
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« Reply #2761 on: February 26, 2008, 07:33:12 PM »

Must say that TigerGirl & Shango seem to be the
ones offering the goods, so far.
p.s. 'Seedy' was female.

OK-where did they get that information. Just cause someone posted it, doesn't always make it true-I can attest to that plenty.
Seedy never gave anything away to indicate his/her sex-I wonder how this could be found out.
Everyone assumed I was male until I corrected them. This is what I am talking about-a lot of the things you present here as fact are only assumptions that people have picked up from here and there on the internet. They have no back up and that doesn't make them fact.


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« Reply #2762 on: February 26, 2008, 07:43:53 PM »

I always found the week of the TES pond/quarry search
to be a pivotal part of the coverup,
especially in the way that week relates to simian/shango

ie: simian was either doublecrossed that week or out-ed as an ALE leak

plus: when did shango start/stop posting?
when did sim stop posting?

this is something I worked on long ago/far away in another place.
please feel free to correct or add to my interpretation

the simian/shango postings lose much of their value
when they stand alone ...
but when you read them interwoven w/ the ongoing events
their meaning is much more clear

some of what simian said was obviously misleading,
both in terms of logic & what we now know ...
& that may have been of his/her own free will

"Who said they all had sex with her? Nobody did as far as I know"
sounded iffy but perhaps believable on June 22, 2005
 
sex is the motive in prolly 85% of missing/murdered females cases.
perhaps the plan was that we will not play up the sex angle here,
no telling ::ahem:: where it may :::cough::: lead

the back beat is the alibi, the alibi, break the alibi:
Lorenzo's alibi? ... provided by Max Arendsz?
Max, friend of Peeps ... who told us that neither he nor Max know Joran or Lorenzo
("we don't want to know him, we mind our own business" =
something similar to omerta/sicilian code of silence).

the not knowing Joran part is interesting in light of Peeps' statement:
"this Joran is f**king sly & has a rarely seen strong character".
interesting observation re someone he claims to know nothing about.
Peeps also mentions his own talks to the detectives from time to time.
small circle of people here, interesting people.
little teeny tiny small world

perhps simian's ALE source did not have the true inside info.
the source knew some of the truth,
but those higher up ... covered up.
did the source did not know about the cover up?
simian was led to believe that he/she was an "insider"
& that was true to a degree

simian's postings served a purpose
or they would have been stopped or discredited

then again, simian WAS discredited as soon as shango came on board:
"Who else plays in the orchestra ... a Babylonian?"

a couple ways the doublecross could have unfolded:

#1 the original plan was to have the body recovered
in the waters of the quarry
but for whatever reasons that changed:
too much violence done to the body
or just plain wanting to stonewall,
insisting it can & will blow over eventually w/o the body

or

#2 recovering the body in the quarry was never really the plan.
a good way to find the leak on your team is to plant false info
& then see who runs w/ it

Sat June 25:

7:59 pm simian says:
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew.
The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk.
names morph across cultures/languages.
Jan van der Straaten: Jan=Johannes=John


keeping in mind that when the codetalkers say something
is as important as what they say,
shango's first post comes the day before the quarry search,
the day of the double cross

Sun June 26, Paulus is released & goes home.
Steve Croes' release is ordered
but he doesn't walk out until the next morning

Sun June 26:

2:58 pm simian says:
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Steve Croes coming forward w/ alibi, a rogue move unanticipated by those in charge

3:09 pm shango says:
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
"hello, I'm here & I know as much as you do, perhaps more.
please enlighten our readers"


3:18 pm simian says:
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured.
They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

3:18 pm shango says:
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace
not used to open the Sumerians Door ?

3:26 pm shango says:
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key,
the door never existed

3:30 pm shango says:
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks.
 
3:33 pm shango says:
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car,
it did not exist

3:40 pm shango says:
The key does not exist

the refrain seems to be that there is a change in plans,
which simian refuses to believe.
something re the evidence/a witness that is not going as planned


4:04 pm simian says:
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

Paulus is released,
a fact not announced to the media for 2 hours/approx 6 pm

then simian is silent for many hours.
shango lays out that Joran will take the fall, in that:
even w/o a body as proof of murder,
he will forever be known as the one last seen w/ Natalee


5:04 pm shango says:
Prepare the fires. We need a sacrifice. A babylonian beast.
Young Lamb der Sloot

5:51 pm ConcernedUK says:
Does Shango liaise with Simian?

6:30 pm shango says:
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers
 
8:04 pm shango says:
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice
for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking. DirtyHand is alive and well.

finally, hours later, simian returns,
referring to Paulus & saying I told you so.
what has simian been told?
there is no loss of confidence,
simian is still sure of his/her source
because he/she still predicts that the body will be found.

simian & shango continue to disagree over tomorrow's outcome
following the quarry search.
they quickly respond to each other,
nearly ignoring the other posters in the forum.
any gaps between their back/forth are filled by shango's posts,
one after another, no room for all of them here


11:01 pm simian says:
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key,
it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed

11:05 pm shango says:
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

11:09 pm simian says:
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened,
but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package
from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone.
Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax.
He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.
 
IMO the whisperer is simian's source.
sim is saying his/her info is fresh & he/she still believes it


11:12 pm shango says:
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow,
that door to Eden will remain closed

11:19 pm simian says:
The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.

11:23 pm simian says:
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home?
Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.
 
11:37 pm simian says:
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?
This is unbelievable.
The Babylonians need to pinch the ravers.
That will need to happen tomorrow.
The Simian is leaving.

12:39 am simian says:
Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you

obviously still confident that his/her info is correct:
the body will be recovered tomorrow


12:54 am simian says:
I am leaving. I am done.

Mon June 27, the day of the quarry search.
there are late-morning reports that 2 search dogs have a "hit"

posters were discussing the DirtyHand clues & casino ownership
& somehow arabs were brought up.
ConcernedUK became confused & posted:

Very disjointed
Dirty Hand is casino link to crimes involving,
but bigger than, Natalee missing.
Arabs are related to this Island????
Is the kasino owned by Arabs?? Anyone??
Arabs do not equal terrorists. I understand that.
Is Dirty Hand an Arab?

Babalu answered: chief of polis.
Lucy's later post (below) does also & shango gives them both a
LOOK AT THIS, THREADSURFERS ... repeatedly

12:30 am Babalu says:
ConcernedUK, no, I guess he is head of some local official corps.
He is the guy that knows everything and that has been
in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself,
so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee
and he is the chief of Polis.

4:00 am shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 posting

now the critical day, TES is beginning the quarry search.
5 hour break: no simian/no shango


Mon June 27:

9:13 am simian says:
Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence.
The cowboys are looking everywhere,
but the land and waters hold many secrets.
The Babylonians need to keep an eye on the cowboys.
The process muct be protected.
The ravers need to be pinched.

10:51 am simian says:
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters.
The dead dogs are stinking.

10:59 am simian says:
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming.
The dirty water is large, deep and too wide,
but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right.
The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

11:14 am simian says:
The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water.
Look for Noord and look for Moko. The cowboys feet are wet.
They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch.
It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out

11:33 am simian says:
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko.
Let your fingers connect the dots.
The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water.
The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce.
Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.

11:37 am simian says:
Her decapitated body to be found. Her head to wash up on shore later.

11:39 am simian says:
Why does anyone want to be the Simian’s doppelganger.
The Simian finds that to be counter productive.

11:46 am simian says:
I have not left. I do not want to be copied however
and would like to stay and speak.

11:49 am simian says:
I leave now. The island is stirring.

11:58 am simian says:
They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one.
I said this was to happen. You can praise The Simian later.

12:08 pm simian says: 
THEY FOUND HER BODY!!

simian then makes a few posts in spanish, translation of one is:

12:11 pm
he said to keep watching the news,
and that he apologizes for the confusion,
but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him

shango has been silent all morning
until simian announces the body is found, then:


12:12 pm shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 AM posting.
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found
 
12:26 pm shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 AM posting.
Simian your Doppleganger is with us

12:28 pm shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 AM posting

shango knows the body will not be found, while simian is still unaware.
shango begins to repeatedly point the readers toward Babalu's post
re polis involvment, since they are definitely involved if DirtyHand is polis.
we sit in front of the tv for hours, waiting to hear results of the search,
nothing comes ... & simian/shango are silent for 8 hours until:


9:41 pm shango says:
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

9:44 pm shango says:
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:30 A.M. Post.
DirtyHand is alive

9:46 pm
shango: Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
 
9:48 pm shango says:
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

10:30 pm drax says:
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles =
they weren’t on the beach?

10:32 pm shango says:
THE DRAX SCORES
 
shango wasn't into idle chat & if he/she referred to a post
then that meant it was significant in some way.
there was much discussion of Natalee being taken to a rave,
XTC being the drug of choice,
Joran either leaving her there or being made to leave her there, then:


10:45 pm shango says:
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

10:56 pm Lucy says:
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

10:57 pm drax says:
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

11:01 pm shango says:
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer

11:04 pm shango says:
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

11:13 pm shango says:
Lucy spoke at 10:56

11:48 pm shango says:
The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague.
I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen.
The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus
 
11:52 pm shango says:
Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions.
Without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys,
they will leave without loot

since shango posted in "our" forum,
other beaches are the other forums besides SM.
he was saying that we were the ones who were working his clues
& getting close to solving the puzzle


11:59 pm shango says:
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze

only those who take XTC go to the rave parties.
we haven't heard from simian for 12 hours.
no body recovered & no posts from simian


Tues June 28, the day following the quarry search:
 
10:17 am simian says:
hello news from the seas will rise today
 
has simian now been told that the body is in the ocean?
is that true or is more misinformation being fed to him/her?
a meek thing to say after the over-the-top reporting the previous day,
that the body had been found.
no acknowledgment is made of the error


Wed June 28:

12:09 am subdude says:
Raves as in XTC parties.

12:11 am shango says:
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

12:14 am shango says:
How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes

12:14 am (aruban poster) Yliana:
And of course you have what we call the mobile pharmacies (aka drug dealers)

12:18 am Big Pappy says:
Yliana, Can you name some places immediately associated with music
and young people on the island other than the bars?

12:22 am Yliana says:
pappy - we don’t have many places like that -
kids usually hang out on the streets or in clubs
because there are no other places to hang out.
Oh, I forgot a big one - Moomba beach - (near Holliday Inn) -
oooh a big one!

12:23 am shango says:
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

12:23 am subdude says:
Yliana: Why a big one?

12:26 am Yliana says:
Subdude - Moomba beach is near the beach under the dark skies
and it’s known that bartenders serve more than drinks.
Especially when it’s full moon party night
 
12:28 am shango says:
Not all lions leave their den
a house party

12:30 am Yliana says:
Most of the cafes are Dutch owned.
The Paddock and the Black Hog Saloon are two wild places
where the Dutch frequent - not much of a young crowd though.
Clubs in hotels come to mind too

12:34 am Yliana says:
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held.
And these houses are not really mazes
but have different rooms where things can happen
 
12:34 am subdude says:
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I believe.
Arawaks are Arubans.
Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids
meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” —
thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.

12:35 am Yliana says:
But I seriously doubt there would have been a party on a school night
in a country house. It was after all Tuesday!

she's half-right.
it was a school night but it was not a tuesday


12:37 am shango says:
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows
which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

12:39 am shango says:
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys

1:05 am subdude says:
Yliana, Shango mentioned we had opened windows
to the heart of Babylon just after our exchange regarding countryhouses.
Dutch kids and Arubans meeting out in the country thinking no one noticed.
Country house of the dealers which the police chief has been in.

Shango?

1:11 am shango says:
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34

1:19 am jetline says:
Shango, Do you know all of this because you were at the rave
and witnessed what happened to Natalee
or did someone else at the rave witness what happened and confide in you?
Either way you need to report this to the appropriate authorities.
If your story happens to be true and you knew it all along,
you could be facing serious criminal charges.
Otherwise, I think it is safe to assume that you are playing
some kind of sick game and leading all readers on a wild goose chase.
If the latter is true, I think your IP should be blocked.

1:32 am shango says:
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye
to know it is there

1:43 am simian says: 
The Simian has a handicap of 12.

simian was correct re 12 previous facts/statements?

1:52 am simian says:
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time.
The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island.
NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

1:55 am shango says:
Find the music. Only David left the den alive

2:01 am simian says:
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme.
Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you.
Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in.
Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.

2:09 am simian says:
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom,
but like to say the he only reports ahead of time.
The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources.
Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul,
the Simian will again say that he will retire.

you can report ahead of time
only if you know what is planned to happen.
"seeing how this has been used to foul" refers to being misled/lied to,
being used to spread false information re the body being recovered


2:13 am Robalo33 says:
someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus,
which is an early man, not a monkey.
But simian, more of the stuff this shango says seems more real
than your predictions.
Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

2:15 am Robalo33 says:
also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset.
i believe that is a simeon poser
 
2:18am simian says:
F**k the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

2:21am simian says:
The Simian doesn’t make predictions.
Only gives the group information ahead of time.
Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.
No me hagan mofa.
Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme.
Se creen, pero no son.
 
translation: I will not be mocked.
I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme. 
They are believed, but should not be.


2:21am Robalo33 says:
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian
 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

2:23am Robalo33 says:
Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia,
‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?
 
Simian you still do not speak anything true,
is it always the same with you, b*tch?


2:24am shango says:
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

2:27 am shango says:
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought
which would not usually leave the MainStream

2:28am simian says:
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo,
pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo.
No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabía que paso esa noche.
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme?
La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.
 
translation: You're the b*tch, a**hole. 
I try to pass the information ahead of time, but you do not understand
and believe that everything is solved, being a foreigner. 
I do not make predictions and I never knew what happened that night.
I don't understand what you're saying. You think I'm a woman?
Life is not what you think it is.


2:32am simian says:
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña.
E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan.
Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi.
Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.

translation: Shango, get real, do not place yourself at the center.
The things you say today can cause sorrow tomorrow.
Close your mouth and do not talk of things you know nothing about.
Go to sleep, it is late.
Many people are reading the things you are writing.
They arise/arrive (?) at the door of your house tomorrow, not spanta


simian & shango knew each other & did not like each other at all.
much sniping & trading of insults, a very female way of doing things.
I always had the impression that simian was snippy, impatient & short-tempered.
the way they talked to each other truly does sound like a cat fight

(w/ apologies to my gender for the stereotype)

headed out for awhile, laters,
finn
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« Reply #2763 on: February 26, 2008, 07:47:37 PM »

OMG your alive my friend, and look who who else found his was out of he snow the other half
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« Reply #2764 on: February 26, 2008, 08:14:50 PM »

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:43 pm
Mary rolled into the maze
to play with lions
but it was not a game
the lamb ran bleating

Shango has not danced with the lions, nor Arawaks,and does not keep their company
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« Reply #2765 on: February 26, 2008, 08:17:21 PM »

T. J. Ward stated that Freddy lives behind Joran.
http://www.immob.biz/afdrukken.php?id=927〈=NL

http://www.arubachamber.com/DISKKLEINBEDRIJF31JULI2004.htm
The picture of Freddy's house, the address for the pic is 39F
but that is his mom's address on the chamber list for 2004.
Her address on the list as of 05/06/05 is Montanja 62.


19 Montanja Joran van der Sloot
232 Montanja Jaime Carrasquilla
7A Catiri Freddy Zedan Arambatziz


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« Reply #2766 on: February 26, 2008, 10:30:39 PM »

Simian,

The key has closed. The sand has waft.
Who does the fourth see on a bow?

Did not the crimson monkey poison the cowboys?

It is not in the air but in the brew.

Mary was lost by the crimson monkey.

IF ONLY THE NEIGHBOR'S MONKEY COULD TALK - HE'D TELL THE TALE

* Joran & father seated at the blackjack table.

* Joran has a VIP PASS to Carlos n' Charlie's

* Alberto Levy is the General Manager of Carlos & Charlie's. Is he related to the Rafael Levy of Miami, Florida, who has reportedly been deeply involved in the worldwide online porn business, including child porn and "snuff" films?

* Freddy came over (he takes pictures for the PIMPS)


Remember there is a video of a 14 yr. old with Freddy and the Kalpoe Brothers (and probably Joran)
and that is why they were arrested - kidnapping, rape charges. Gerald mentioned it too.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?p=153787&bypass=153787#153787
Geraldo on Heartland

If JVDS & Kalpoe brothers are arrested and convicted of raping the 14 yr old, they will be in jail for a very long time. The investigators on the NH case will have plenty of time to find out what if anything they did to NH

Reporter: Do you expect Joran to be charged in this?

Geraldo: If you ask me to be a betting man, I bet eventually this will touch Joran in a big way. As I said at the top of the show, we have always heard Joran was involved in this porno tape in a very intimate way."
posted on 08/27/2005



* Joran downloaded 2 porn films



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« Reply #2767 on: February 26, 2008, 11:08:29 PM »


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I could not have made a better first post meself.

Unless I could do it in one sentence.

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P.S. Strike the he/she part of your post and I am in total agreement. You really fumbled that part. Tsk, tsk.
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« Reply #2768 on: February 26, 2008, 11:39:58 PM »

I always found the week of the TES pond/quarry search
to be a pivotal part of the coverup,
especially in the way that week relates to simian/shango

ie: simian was either doublecrossed that week or out-ed as an ALE leak

plus: when did shango start/stop posting?
when did sim stop posting?

this is something I worked on long ago/far away in another place.
please feel free to correct or add to my interpretation

the simian/shango postings lose much of t

heir value
when they stand alone ...
but when you read them interwoven w/ the ongoing events
their meaning is much more clear

some of what simian said was obviously misleading,
both in terms of logic & what we now know ...
& that may have been of his/her own free will

"Who said they all had sex with her? Nobody did as far as I know"
sounded iffy but perhaps believable on June 22, 2005
 
sex is the motive in prolly 85% of missing/murdered females cases.
perhaps the plan was that we will not play up the sex angle here,
no telling ::ahem:: where it may :::cough::: lead

the back beat is the alibi, the alibi, break the alibi:
Lorenzo's alibi? ... provided by Max Arendsz?
Max, friend of Peeps ... who told us that neither he nor Max know Joran or Lorenzo
("we don't want to know him, we mind our own business" =
something similar to omerta/sicilian code of silence).

the not knowing Joran part is interesting in light of Peeps' statement:
"this Joran is f**king sly & has a rarely seen strong character".
interesting observation re someone he claims to know nothing about.
Peeps also mentions his own talks to the detectives from time to time.
small circle of people here, interesting people.
little teeny tiny small world

perhps simian's ALE source did not have the true inside info.
the source knew some of the truth,
but those higher up ... covered up.
did the source did not know about the cover up?
simian was led to believe that he/she was an "insider"
& that was true to a degree

simian's postings served a purpose
or they would have been stopped or discredited

then again, simian WAS discredited as soon as shango came on board:
"Who else plays in the orchestra ... a Babylonian?"

a couple ways the doublecross could have unfolded:

#1 the original plan was to have the body recovered
in the waters of the quarry
but for whatever reasons that changed:
too much violence done to the body
or just plain wanting to stonewall,
insisting it can & will blow over eventually w/o the body

or

#2 recovering the body in the quarry was never really the plan.
a good way to find the leak on your team is to plant false info
& then see who runs w/ it

Sat June 25:

7:59 pm simian says:
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew.
The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk.
names morph across cultures/languages.
Jan van der Straaten: Jan=Johannes=John


keeping in mind that when the codetalkers say something
is as important as what they say,
shango's first post comes the day before the quarry search,
the day of the double cross

Sun June 26, Paulus is released & goes home.
Steve Croes' release is ordered
but he doesn't walk out until the next morning

Sun June 26:

2:58 pm simian says:
The music man’s song was not on the bill.
Steve Croes coming forward w/ alibi, a rogue move unanticipated by those in charge

3:09 pm shango says:
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….
"hello, I'm here & I know as much as you do, perhaps more.
please enlighten our readers"


3:18 pm simian says:
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured.
They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.

3:18 pm shango says:
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace
not used to open the Sumerians Door ?

3:26 pm shango says:
Simian, his lordship did not bring the expected key,
the door never existed

3:30 pm shango says:
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks.
 
3:33 pm shango says:
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car,
it did not exist

3:40 pm shango says:
The key does not exist

the refrain seems to be that there is a change in plans,
which simian refuses to believe.
something re the evidence/a witness that is not going as planned


4:04 pm simian says:
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

Paulus is released,
a fact not announced to the media for 2 hours/approx 6 pm

then simian is silent for many hours.
shango lays out that Joran will take the fall, in that:
even w/o a body as proof of murder,
he will forever be known as the one last seen w/ Natalee


5:04 pm shango says:
Prepare the fires. We need a sacrifice. A babylonian beast.
Young Lamb der Sloot

5:51 pm ConcernedUK says:
Does Shango liaise with Simian?

6:30 pm shango says:
Shango is not a Simian Doppleganger and has his own messengers
 
8:04 pm shango says:
The young Lamb der Sloot shall be the sacrifice
for the Arawaks and the cowboys.
All will sit around the fire and feast on scapegoat.
The gods are talking. DirtyHand is alive and well.

finally, hours later, simian returns,
referring to Paulus & saying I told you so.
what has simian been told?
there is no loss of confidence,
simian is still sure of his/her source
because he/she still predicts that the body will be found.

simian & shango continue to disagree over tomorrow's outcome
following the quarry search.
they quickly respond to each other,
nearly ignoring the other posters in the forum.
any gaps between their back/forth are filled by shango's posts,
one after another, no room for all of them here


11:01 pm simian says:
If the door to eden is to be opened with that key,
it will be tomorrow or forever remained closed

11:05 pm shango says:
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

11:09 pm simian says:
The whisperer is on the line. The Babylonians know what happened,
but their hands are tied. They do not own the hammer nor the block.
The owner of the hammer and the block will never carry the package
from the Hague. The trias works infallibly.
The party-go-ers need to be pinched, but no one wants to be the cafone.
Including the boy. Too much is at stake and he is no Ajax.
He is biting his tongue so he won’t be able to speak. So afraid he is.
 
IMO the whisperer is simian's source.
sim is saying his/her info is fresh & he/she still believes it


11:12 pm shango says:
Even Flying Birds Sing. If the key does not arrive tomorrow,
that door to Eden will remain closed

11:19 pm simian says:
The Simian asks that his words not be confused with anyone else’s.

11:23 pm simian says:
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home?
Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.
 
11:37 pm simian says:
How can so many gamblers be wrong about the girl?
This is unbelievable.
The Babylonians need to pinch the ravers.
That will need to happen tomorrow.
The Simian is leaving.

12:39 am simian says:
Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you

obviously still confident that his/her info is correct:
the body will be recovered tomorrow


12:54 am simian says:
I am leaving. I am done.

Mon June 27, the day of the quarry search.
there are late-morning reports that 2 search dogs have a "hit"

posters were discussing the DirtyHand clues & casino ownership
& somehow arabs were brought up.
ConcernedUK became confused & posted:

Very disjointed
Dirty Hand is casino link to crimes involving,
but bigger than, Natalee missing.
Arabs are related to this Island????
Is the kasino owned by Arabs?? Anyone??
Arabs do not equal terrorists. I understand that.
Is Dirty Hand an Arab?

Babalu answered: chief of polis.
Lucy's later post (below) does also & shango gives them both a
LOOK AT THIS, THREADSURFERS ... repeatedly

12:30 am Babalu says:
ConcernedUK, no, I guess he is head of some local official corps.
He is the guy that knows everything and that has been
in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself,
so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee
and he is the chief of Polis.

4:00 am shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 posting

now the critical day, TES is beginning the quarry search.
5 hour break: no simian/no shango


Mon June 27:

9:13 am simian says:
Lack of evidence is not proof of innocence.
The cowboys are looking everywhere,
but the land and waters hold many secrets.
The Babylonians need to keep an eye on the cowboys.
The process muct be protected.
The ravers need to be pinched.

10:51 am simian says:
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters.
The dead dogs are stinking.

10:59 am simian says:
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming.
The dirty water is large, deep and too wide,
but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right.
The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.

11:14 am simian says:
The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water.
Look for Noord and look for Moko. The cowboys feet are wet.
They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch.
It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out

11:33 am simian says:
Find Aruba. Look for Noord. Look for Montaña. Look for Moko.
Let your fingers connect the dots.
The cowboys feet are deeper in the dirty water.
The vultures are hanging around and are ready to pounce.
Hang on to your tubes. The Simian doesn’t want to be right.

11:37 am simian says:
Her decapitated body to be found. Her head to wash up on shore later.

11:39 am simian says:
Why does anyone want to be the Simian’s doppelganger.
The Simian finds that to be counter productive.

11:46 am simian says:
I have not left. I do not want to be copied however
and would like to stay and speak.

11:49 am simian says:
I leave now. The island is stirring.

11:58 am simian says:
They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one.
I said this was to happen. You can praise The Simian later.

12:08 pm simian says: 
THEY FOUND HER BODY!!

simian then makes a few posts in spanish, translation of one is:

12:11 pm
he said to keep watching the news,
and that he apologizes for the confusion,
but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him

shango has been silent all morning
until simian announces the body is found, then:


12:12 pm shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 AM posting.
If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found
 
12:26 pm shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 AM posting.
Simian your Doppleganger is with us

12:28 pm shango says:
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon
with his 12:30 AM posting

shango knows the body will not be found, while simian is still unaware.
shango begins to repeatedly point the readers toward Babalu's post
re polis involvment, since they are definitely involved if DirtyHand is polis.
we sit in front of the tv for hours, waiting to hear results of the search,
nothing comes ... & simian/shango are silent for 8 hours until:


9:41 pm shango says:
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

9:44 pm shango says:
Babalu opened a window looking into babylon on his 12:30 A.M. Post.
DirtyHand is alive

9:46 pm
shango: Shango said the key to the Hague did not exist
that door to eden remains closed
until the house with the path
But not of gold
is entered
 
9:48 pm shango says:
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

10:30 pm drax says:
Young Babylonians and Shivas do not build sand castles =
they weren’t on the beach?

10:32 pm shango says:
THE DRAX SCORES
 
shango wasn't into idle chat & if he/she referred to a post
then that meant it was significant in some way.
there was much discussion of Natalee being taken to a rave,
XTC being the drug of choice,
Joran either leaving her there or being made to leave her there, then:


10:45 pm shango says:
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

10:56 pm Lucy says:
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

10:57 pm drax says:
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

11:01 pm shango says:
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer

11:04 pm shango says:
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

11:13 pm shango says:
Lucy spoke at 10:56

11:48 pm shango says:
The Simian was incorrect about the package from the Hague.
I told the Simian, but the Simian would not listen.
The simian is not a simian, but an austrolopithecus
 
11:52 pm shango says:
Threadsurfers on other beaches are oblivious to the Maze and the lions.
Without exposure, the arawaks will deceive the cowboys,
they will leave without loot

since shango posted in "our" forum,
other beaches are the other forums besides SM.
he was saying that we were the ones who were working his clues
& getting close to solving the puzzle


11:59 pm shango says:
Only those who cRave music go into the Maze

only those who take XTC go to the rave parties.
we haven't heard from simian for 12 hours.
no body recovered & no posts from simian


Tues June 28, the day following the quarry search:
 
10:17 am simian says:
hello news from the seas will rise today
 
has simian now been told that the body is in the ocean?
is that true or is more misinformation being fed to him/her?
a meek thing to say after the over-the-top reporting the previous day,
that the body had been found.
no acknowledgment is made of the error


Wed June 28:

12:09 am subdude says:
Raves as in XTC parties.

12:11 am shango says:
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

12:14 am shango says:
How those innocent young flies enter the trap with honey laden notes

12:14 am (aruban poster) Yliana:
And of course you have what we call the mobile pharmacies (aka drug dealers)

12:18 am Big Pappy says:
Yliana, Can you name some places immediately associated with music
and young people on the island other than the bars?

12:22 am Yliana says:
pappy - we don’t have many places like that -
kids usually hang out on the streets or in clubs
because there are no other places to hang out.
Oh, I forgot a big one - Moomba beach - (near Holliday Inn) -
oooh a big one!

12:23 am shango says:
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

12:23 am subdude says:
Yliana: Why a big one?

12:26 am Yliana says:
Subdude - Moomba beach is near the beach under the dark skies
and it’s known that bartenders serve more than drinks.
Especially when it’s full moon party night
 
12:28 am shango says:
Not all lions leave their den
a house party

12:30 am Yliana says:
Most of the cafes are Dutch owned.
The Paddock and the Black Hog Saloon are two wild places
where the Dutch frequent - not much of a young crowd though.
Clubs in hotels come to mind too

12:34 am Yliana says:
There are many ‘country’ houses where parties are held.
And these houses are not really mazes
but have different rooms where things can happen
 
12:34 am subdude says:
Babylonians are Dutch because Dutch legal system in Aruba, I believe.
Arawaks are Arubans.
Children of Babylonians could be Dutch kids
meeting with Arubans “under cover of delusion” —
thinking they are not noticed. I am struggling — just spit balling.

12:35 am Yliana says:
But I seriously doubt there would have been a party on a school night
in a country house. It was after all Tuesday!

she's half-right.
it was a school night but it was not a tuesday


12:37 am shango says:
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows
which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths
you hold the key in hand

12:39 am shango says:
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon
be careful of the lions
DirtyHand does not have them tamed
but he can enter the den
tell the cowboys

1:05 am subdude says:
Yliana, Shango mentioned we had opened windows
to the heart of Babylon just after our exchange regarding countryhouses.
Dutch kids and Arubans meeting out in the country thinking no one noticed.
Country house of the dealers which the police chief has been in.

Shango?

1:11 am shango says:
See Subdude / Iliana 12:34

1:19 am jetline says:
Shango, Do you know all of this because you were at the rave
and witnessed what happened to Natalee
or did someone else at the rave witness what happened and confide in you?
Either way you need to report this to the appropriate authorities.
If your story happens to be true and you knew it all along,
you could be facing serious criminal charges.
Otherwise, I think it is safe to assume that you are playing
some kind of sick game and leading all readers on a wild goose chase.
If the latter is true, I think your IP should be blocked.

1:32 am shango says:
For the doubters: You do not need to see a grain of sand in your eye
to know it is there

1:43 am simian says: 
The Simian has a handicap of 12.

simian was correct re 12 previous facts/statements?

1:52 am simian says:
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time.
The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
The Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island.
NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

1:55 am shango says:
Find the music. Only David left the den alive

2:01 am simian says:
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme.
Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you.
Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in.
Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.

2:09 am simian says:
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom,
but like to say the he only reports ahead of time.
The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources.
Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul,
the Simian will again say that he will retire.

you can report ahead of time
only if you know what is planned to happen.
"seeing how this has been used to foul" refers to being misled/lied to,
being used to spread false information re the body being recovered


2:13 am Robalo33 says:
someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus,
which is an early man, not a monkey.
But simian, more of the stuff this shango says seems more real
than your predictions.
Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

2:15 am Robalo33 says:
also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset.
i believe that is a simeon poser
 
2:18am simian says:
F**k the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

2:21am simian says:
The Simian doesn’t make predictions.
Only gives the group information ahead of time.
Predictions are for fools. This is the Simian.
No me hagan mofa.
Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme.
Se creen, pero no son.
 
translation: I will not be mocked.
I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme. 
They are believed, but should not be.


2:21am Robalo33 says:
J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian
 
translation: I would rather spend time with a woman like you Simian.

2:23am Robalo33 says:
Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia,
‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?
 
Simian you still do not speak anything true,
is it always the same with you, b*tch?


2:24am shango says:
This Simian is not the Simian. It is a Doppleganger.

2:27 am shango says:
Crypticism leads to tributaries of thought
which would not usually leave the MainStream

2:28am simian says:
Cabron seras tu, pendejo. Yo trato de pasar la informacion antes de tiempo,
pero Uds. no entienden y creen que todo se soluciona por ser gringo.
No hago predicciones y tampoco nunca dije que sabía que paso esa noche.
Je ne compris pas quesque tu dire. Que je suis une femme?
La vie n’est pas comment tu pense.
 
translation: You're the b*tch, a**hole. 
I try to pass the information ahead of time, but you do not understand
and believe that everything is solved, being a foreigner. 
I do not make predictions and I never knew what happened that night.
I don't understand what you're saying. You think I'm a woman?
Life is not what you think it is.


2:32am simian says:
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña.
E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan.
Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi.
Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.

translation: Shango, get real, do not place yourself at the center.
The things you say today can cause sorrow tomorrow.
Close your mouth and do not talk of things you know nothing about.
Go to sleep, it is late.
Many people are reading the things you are writing.
They arise/arrive (?) at the door of your house tomorrow, not spanta


simian & shango knew each other & did not like each other at all.
much sniping & trading of insults, a very female way of doing things.
I always had the impression that simian was snippy, impatient & short-tempered.
the way they talked to each other truly does sound like a cat fight

(w/ apologies to my gender for the stereotype)

headed out for awhile, laters,
finn



I have said this for over 2 years now...you have to read them in context.  That is the only way to get a feel for what and to whom they are addressing in their posts.

BTW Simian was the ALE contact and he/she was outed as a snitch.  Why do you think he/she is not still posting. Too risky still works in the same place and knows the same people. Multiple personalities as I often say.
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« Reply #2769 on: February 27, 2008, 12:11:01 AM »


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I could not have made a better first post meself.

Unless I could do it in one sentence.

Fin

P.S. Strike the he/she part of your post and I am in total agreement. You really fumbled that part. Tsk, tsk.

Fin:

thank you, sir

finn

PS: tsk tsk?

the "she" thing tends to rub people the wrong way ...
and I always/always try to rub people the right way

no double meaning intended  Wink
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« Reply #2770 on: February 27, 2008, 12:24:17 AM »

I have said this for over 2 years now...you have to read them in context.  That is the only way to get a feel for what and to whom they are addressing in their posts.

BTW Simian was the ALE contact and he/she was outed as a snitch.  Why do you think he/she is not still posting. Too risky still works in the same place and knows the same people. Multiple personalities as I often say.

 

yah, the context is everything

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts re the out-ing ...
how/when it occurred/etc

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« Reply #2771 on: February 27, 2008, 12:59:16 AM »

I have said this for over 2 years now...you have to read them in context.  That is the only way to get a feel for what and to whom they are addressing in their posts.

BTW Simian was the ALE contact and he/she was outed as a snitch.  Why do you think he/she is not still posting. Too risky still works in the same place and knows the same people. Multiple personalities as I often say.

 

yah, the context is everything

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts re the out-ing ...
how/when it occurred/etc

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It happened right before Simian began to post at RWV as Merian Ernst.  Simian and Merian are one and the same.  Same style.  Stuck with the things they knew...not much speculation on either part. It took Shango a while but he finally had someone tell him about Simian and that was the first blood draw between them.  Shango only knew Natalee was not in the ocean.  Shango, to this day, does not know where the body is. Shango was not on Aruba so had to rely on his messengers...he wasn't feeding them...they were feeding him.  Shango had those same multiple personalities.  Shango was not on the inside of any of the ALE investigations and did not have anyone to rely on but his messengers.  That is why he knew nothing about the details of the investigation...only about things that may have occurred.  Shango was speculating much more than Simian. Shango's messengers were just that...internet messengers.
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« Reply #2772 on: February 27, 2008, 03:08:31 AM »


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I could not have made a better first post meself.

Unless I could do it in one sentence.

Fin

P.S. Strike the he/she part of your post and I am in total agreement. You really fumbled that part. Tsk, tsk.

Fin:

thank you, sir

finn

PS: tsk tsk?

the "she" thing tends to rub people the wrong way ...
and I always/always try to rub people the right way

no double meaning intended  Wink

Finn,

Bingo on the leako. Disinfo to catch a squeako.

Tsk tsk - me attempt at hugh more.

Why let where the facts lead one be concerned on how others are rubbed?

If I thought sim was a wombat, I would say so.

Is that not why we are all here? To find answers? It is important to who these people were. Were they helping? Were they giving false clues? Were they giving clues that they thought were real? It matters.

"Thank you sir"?

How do you know I am not a female?

YW, ma'am(?),

Fin
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« Reply #2773 on: February 27, 2008, 03:24:28 AM »

Finn,

Bingo on the leako. Disinfo to catch a squeako.
on this we agree

Tsk tsk - me attempt at hugh more.
I enjoy the hugh more

Why let where the facts lead one be concerned on how others are rubbed?
true

If I thought sim was a wombat, I would say so.
yes, you would

Is that not why we are all here? To find answers? It is important to who these people were. Were they helping? Were they giving false clues? Were they giving clues that they thought were real? It matters.
since gender seems to matter tonight/this morning
and since for various reasons I believe sim to be female ...
have you ever considered that shango is female as well?


"Thank you sir"?

How do you know I am not a female?
'twas told to me by a small yet informative penguin

YW, ma'am(?),

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« Reply #2774 on: February 27, 2008, 04:44:21 AM »

Finn,

Bingo on the leako. Disinfo to catch a squeako.
on this we agree
then what r u arguing for? lol

Tsk tsk - me attempt at hugh more.
I enjoy the hugh more
Dew u enjoy the hugh less

Why let where the facts lead one be concerned on how others are rubbed?
true
blue

If I thought sim was a wombat, I would say so.
yes, you would
eye nough eye wood

Is that not why we are all here? To find answers? It is important to who these people were. Were they helping? Were they giving false clues? Were they giving clues that they thought were real? It matters.
since gender seems to matter tonight/this morning
and since for various reasons I believe sim to be female ...
have you ever considered that shango is female as well?

I never wented 2 Shango skule. Shango culd b a wombat. Mayb ewe shuld po st razons.

"Thank you sir"?

How do you know I am not a female?
'twas told to me by a small yet informative penguin
I hate leako pengos.

orry vwah,
Fin



YW, ma'am(?),

Fin
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« Reply #2775 on: February 27, 2008, 09:27:52 AM »

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« Reply #2776 on: February 27, 2008, 10:01:17 AM »

I have said this for over 2 years now...you have to read them in context.  That is the only way to get a feel for what and to whom they are addressing in their posts.

BTW Simian was the ALE contact and he/she was outed as a snitch.  Why do you think he/she is not still posting. Too risky still works in the same place and knows the same people. Multiple personalities as I often say.

 

yah, the context is everything

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts re the out-ing ...
how/when it occurred/etc

finn





It happened right before Simian began to post at RWV as Merian Ernst.  Simian and Merian are one and the same.  Same style.  Stuck with the things they knew...not much speculation on either part. It took Shango a while but he finally had someone tell him about Simian and that was the first blood draw between them.  Shango only knew Natalee was not in the ocean.  Shango, to this day, does not know where the body is. Shango was not on Aruba so had to rely on his messengers...he wasn't feeding them...they were feeding him.  Shango had those same multiple personalities.  Shango was not on the inside of any of the ALE investigations and did not have anyone to rely on but his messengers.  That is why he knew nothing about the details of the investigation...only about things that may have occurred.  Shango was speculating much more than Simian. Shango's messengers were just that...internet messengers.

LaLa:

I do believe shango know where the body is

who wrote then the key XTC DNA then

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« Reply #2777 on: February 27, 2008, 11:18:04 AM »

9:41 pm shango says:
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
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« Reply #2778 on: February 27, 2008, 11:25:44 AM »

I have said this for over 2 years now...you have to read them in context.  That is the only way to get a feel for what and to whom they are addressing in their posts.

BTW Simian was the ALE contact and he/she was outed as a snitch.  Why do you think he/she is not still posting. Too risky still works in the same place and knows the same people. Multiple personalities as I often say.

 

yah, the context is everything

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts re the out-ing ...
how/when it occurred/etc

finn





It happened right before Simian began to post at RWV as Merian Ernst.  Simian and Merian are one and the same.  Same style.  Stuck with the things they knew...not much speculation on either part. It took Shango a while but he finally had someone tell him about Simian and that was the first blood draw between them.  Shango only knew Natalee was not in the ocean.  Shango, to this day, does not know where the body is. Shango was not on Aruba so had to rely on his messengers...he wasn't feeding them...they were feeding him.  Shango had those same multiple personalities.  Shango was not on the inside of any of the ALE investigations and did not have anyone to rely on but his messengers.  That is why he knew nothing about the details of the investigation...only about things that may have occurred.  Shango was speculating much more than Simian. Shango's messengers were just that...internet messengers.

LaLa:

I do believe shango know where the body is

who wrote then the key XTC DNA then



We will just have to agree to disagree on that part.  I have my reasons, but I do hope I am wrong.
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« Reply #2779 on: February 27, 2008, 11:28:37 AM »



Shango is a band...a religion...a comic book.  Many things, none of which fit into a nice neat package.

I thought you were tired of us weirdos in here? LOL 
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