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« Reply #280 on: August 16, 2007, 10:35:07 PM »

the "fifth" was used by CNN.....within hours......almost as if......well, it's almost as if the Simian was inside the briefing room Shocked
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« Reply #281 on: August 16, 2007, 11:12:18 PM »

I don't think S/S is a right or wrong issue......IMO-Simian is trying to get all the info out there-chosing to avoid issues which would be unfavorable to Aruba (i.e. "the game").....which leads me to speculate that he's there, and perhaps has a stake (i.e. job, business interest)

On the other hand, and IMO, Shango knows what happened, and calls out Simian for chosing to ignore the potentially damaging aspect(s).......not for being wrong

So, one cares about information surfacing that could potentially damage the island, the other would prefer that this information "see the light of day"

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« Reply #282 on: August 17, 2007, 12:23:46 PM »

I don't think S/S is a right or wrong issue......IMO-Simian is trying to get all the info out there-chosing to avoid issues which would be unfavorable to Aruba (i.e. "the game").....which leads me to speculate that he's there, and perhaps has a stake (i.e. job, business interest)

On the other hand, and IMO, Shango knows what happened, and calls out Simian for chosing to ignore the potentially damaging aspect(s).......not for being wrong

So, one cares about information surfacing that could potentially damage the island, the other would prefer that this information "see the light of day"



You didn't answer my question...do you still think that Paulus was the person Simian was referring to as the 5th suspect?   If yes, please be more specific as to why you are certain of that fact.  TIA
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« Reply #283 on: August 17, 2007, 03:35:19 PM »


well, i dont really know. i am trying to let my brain rest as much as possible. i had been going crazy about this case…annoyed with the fakeness from the media and the family. someone has said that the 5th suspect is someone named lorenzo…and that he has natalee on the island. someone else mentioned that they had her in a graffiti painted van, with a large speaker in the back…and that this lorenzo person is either related to or close to joran. joran supposedly was just helping lorenzo, but no one knows if he did anything with or to natalee. is it said that the family knows this, and the reason that nat’s friends had a cookout to “raise money” for natalee’s fund was really to raise money for her ransom. supposedly no one can say anything because then the kidnappers will do something bad to nat. of course, this is all speculation, and based on what SOME of the people in aruba are saying. i am not pointing fingers at anyone, the information comes from a bunch of people. supposedly there was some sort of car chase or something, and natalee was said to be in thr car….i dont know if that came from aruba or not….and this all explains why natalee’s family is confident for the most part that she is in aruba, and that she is alive. they are getting tips on whats going on.
dont count me on this for sure, i dont really know what is truth and what is rumor.

Comment by Kristin | June 23, 2005, 10:33 pm


Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Comment by Simian | June 24, 2005, 10:45 am


June 26 Paulus released/he goes home; Croes' release ordered/he walks out the next day

simian's first post: June 17/first mention of 5th suspect: June 22
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« Reply #284 on: August 17, 2007, 04:43:31 PM »

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have and will refrain from engaging in 'what I think'......

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

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"But with the arrest of Judge Van Der Sloot, there are now five suspects in custody in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. "
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« Reply #285 on: August 17, 2007, 05:38:12 PM »

CNN transcript:      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/lol.03.html


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"But with the arrest of Judge Van Der Sloot, there are now five suspects in custody in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. "
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« Reply #286 on: August 17, 2007, 09:34:11 PM »

CNN transcript:      http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/lol.03.html


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"But with the arrest of Judge Van Der Sloot, there are now five suspects in custody in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. "

No. Please tell me what you actually think.  That is why I asked.  I thought at one time you believed that Paulus was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.  I am not a much of an expert on this stuff as you and Eleye are.  You guys go all the way back to the very beginning when I was just reading and lurking too terrified to comment out of fear of looking totally stupid.  So don't hesitate to tell me what you think.  I truly want to know.  Doesn't mean I will agree, but heck, that's not the point here.

Simian was mentioning a 5th suspect and a boyfriend days before Paulus was arrested, so how could he be that 5th suspect?  That is what confuses me in all this.  I have looked at it from many angles and I have come back to things you and Eleye have said.  I am not above changing my mind at all, I just want to be convinced.  Please elaborate as to who you think some of these people that Shango and Simian are talking about.  I see the Shango angle of corruption and cover up, yet many and I do mean there are many that are convinced that Shango was brought out to discredit Simian and to distract and derail things...not that the bunch in Aruba needed any help, they seem to have done a pretty good job all by themselves.

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« Reply #287 on: August 17, 2007, 09:36:32 PM »

Wish I had an edit button, I meant to say a day before Paulus was arrested..not days. Sorry. 
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« Reply #288 on: August 18, 2007, 03:00:50 PM »

So why were AJ & MJ picked up and what part do they play according to S&S?  There, I said it. 
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« Reply #289 on: August 18, 2007, 03:04:11 PM »

How do we know that Lorenzo has any involvement?  Could he have been set up to take a fall for the Sloots?  Is Anita capable of putting his name out there and insisting his involvement (without her ever having to mention him) since this would clear her Sporter and get him out of hers and Paulus' lives?  Is this Anita's way of paying back Paulus and Lorenzo's mother for the affair that reportedly took place in the years before Anita?  Is Anita jealous of Lorenzo's mother?  Would she be jealous since she moved to Aruba, thinking she did it to be near Paulus?  What if Lorenzo was only brought up at the insistence of Anita.
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« Reply #290 on: August 18, 2007, 03:20:59 PM »

"Simian was mentioning a 5th suspect and a boyfriend days before Paulus was arrested, so how could he be that 5th suspect?"

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Please post- That would be interesting.

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« Reply #291 on: August 18, 2007, 03:47:08 PM »

Bone, thought to be human, has washed up on Aruba.
Anyone have a good estimate of how long analysis will take and if Aruban forensic lab can be trusted?
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« Reply #292 on: August 18, 2007, 06:58:53 PM »

"Simian was mentioning a 5th suspect and a boyfriend days before Paulus was arrested, so how could he be that 5th suspect?"

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Please post- That would be interesting.



Apparently you missed my edit post directly below this comment.  I intended to say the same day or the day before.  I was thinking ahead and I suppose you could say it's not relevant since Simian may already have known this arrest was about to happen. I think to place Paulus as the boyfriend, you must be certain that Paulus was even there earlier in the week.  It was my understanding that he was not.  I am most likely wrong on this. What does Simian consider earlier in the week?  Which day?  The day before?  Two days before?  If you go back to the earliest postsfrom those on Aruba that were made the conversations clearly talked about a 5th person.  Some refer to it as Lorenzo and others refer to it as Steve Croes.  I have heard no stories at all about Paulus having any interest in Natalee before that night in the casino. Until I see it with my own eyes, I won't believe that Natalee would be remotely interested in him at all.  Natalee was a young girl, older men would not be her interest.  The only way she would have been interested in Paulus as the boyfriend would have to be in desperation.  I don't think that was the case...but I digress...I just need to see more proof than just saying Paulus was the 5th person and the boyfriend when I did not see any of that in the casino video...then again...you have to believe that is Paulus in the video, I guess.

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« Reply #293 on: August 18, 2007, 07:00:22 PM »

What time did Paulus supposedly leave the casino, per Joran? Anyone remember.
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« Reply #294 on: August 18, 2007, 07:02:01 PM »

the "fifth" was used by CNN.....within hours......almost as if......well, it's almost as if the Simian was inside the briefing room Shocked

Well that would be true if Clyde Burke is Simian as has been discussed. No doubt Simian was either ALE or had a very close connection to ALE.  Maybe Simian was in the prosecution office instead.  Don't they have the final say in who is and isn't arrested?
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« Reply #295 on: August 18, 2007, 07:05:30 PM »

So why were AJ & MJ picked up and what part do they play according to S&S?  There, I said it. 

According to J2K they are the ones they left Natalee with. If you believe that.  My question would be why did they choose these particular two men when I am certain they are not the only ones with said job as security guards.

Yes, you bring us back to dirty hand... Shocked
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« Reply #296 on: August 18, 2007, 07:06:56 PM »

Bone, thought to be human, has washed up on Aruba.
Anyone have a good estimate of how long analysis will take and if Aruban forensic lab can be trusted?


I am uncertain as to why this question was asked...please elaborate. Are you referring to the monkey bone?  I thought it was sent to Venezuela for testing.
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« Reply #297 on: August 18, 2007, 07:13:13 PM »

How do we know that Lorenzo has any involvement?  Could he have been set up to take a fall for the Sloots?  Is Anita capable of putting his name out there and insisting his involvement (without her ever having to mention him) since this would clear her Sporter and get him out of hers and Paulus' lives?  Is this Anita's way of paying back Paulus and Lorenzo's mother for the affair that reportedly took place in the years before Anita?  Is Anita jealous of Lorenzo's mother?  Would she be jealous since she moved to Aruba, thinking she did it to be near Paulus?  What if Lorenzo was only brought up at the insistence of Anita.

Certainly!  Everyone on the island was already suspecting him...enter the well placed word about his involvement.  Some of the early posts are clearly denying any relation to Paulus.  I read it recently while perusing the archives.  I don't remember if it was FP or LCD stuff. 

Okay, I guess I have made enough posts for now...until I think of something else.
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« Reply #298 on: August 18, 2007, 09:08:53 PM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.
Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 6:04 pm
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was “there whole time”. (sarcasm?)

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:31 pm
The father was confronted with evidence.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.
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« Reply #299 on: August 18, 2007, 10:26:59 PM »

Okay, Colombo you win.  Paulus was the 5th suspect. Now, where does that leave us?  Nowhere, because they didn't bother to prosecute him.  He was released as a suspect later...so where are we now.  Didn't they let him go because they had no evidence against him? 

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