SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[CapsLockWizard]

Hi BB...

Quote Caps
This picture looks like they entering a Garage or some building. will check.

Thanks Mum....and may I add, I agree.

I may be wrong, but I thought someone was able to lighten that picture long ago and they were riding on the road toward Diamonds International.

Diamonds International was on the sign, but it did appear they were entering a loading area, or an import area? The vantage point of the person taking the pic....and likely the one who posted the pic is unique. Whether this was with Bailey Anne or one of the other
20 tourist girls ....no way to know that I can see. But there seems to be a message MOO. Porn on one of the 2 screens.....photog in the back seat. My guess is that the one taking the pic is the usual cameraman........

I was just trying to remember where I saw that logo and yes it is when you leave C&C to driving toward the bus station.

are there more photos?

[CapsLockWizard]

The white House Apartment garages also looks someting like in the photo but where the logo is, is the door to the apartment.

I was searhing for a word that start with DIKum but it is DIAMONDS

[bleachedblack]

Hi BB...

Quote Caps
This picture looks like they entering a Garage or some building. will check.

Thanks Mum....and may I add, I agree.

I may be wrong, but I thought someone was able to lighten that picture long ago and they were riding on the road toward Diamonds International.

Diamonds International was on the sign, but it did appear they were entering a loading area, or an import area? The vantage point of the person taking the pic....and likely the one who posted the pic is unique. Whether this was with Bailey Anne or one of the other
20 tourist girls ....no way to know that I can see. But there seems to be a message MOO. Porn on one of the 2 screens.....photog in the back seat. My guess is that the one taking the pic is the usual cameraman........

I was just trying to remember where I saw that logo and yes it is when you leave C&C to driving toward the bus station.

are there more photos?

No, no more photos but this was posted to Jorans tickle site. It was felt by many to be sending a message. There were photos posted of Freddy in the back seat of a vehicle with 2 girls, not showing who was in the front seat...no way to know if they were taken at the same time. As the perps have admited to picking up tourists girls on their last nights some 20 times it might represent any one of those times. Having said that , the pic has been looked out closely.....but why was it posted?

[MumInOhio]

Hi BB...

Quote Caps
This picture looks like they entering a Garage or some building. will check.

Thanks Mum....and may I add, I agree.

I may be wrong, but I thought someone was able to lighten that picture long ago and they were riding on the road toward Diamonds International.

Diamonds International was on the sign, but it did appear they were entering a loading area, or an import area? The vantage point of the person taking the pic....and likely the one who posted the pic is unique. Whether this was with Bailey Anne or one of the other
20 tourist girls ....no way to know that I can see. But there seems to be a message MOO. Porn on one of the 2 screens.....photog in the back seat. My guess is that the one taking the pic is the usual cameraman........

I was just trying to remember where I saw that logo and yes it is when you leave C&C to driving toward the bus station.

are there more photos?

Caps...I think there may be....Lala's may remember.

I was thinking the one of Freddy and the two girls was at the same time, but I could be wrong.

Klaas may have more....

[bleachedblack]

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:18 am   
Observations.

The car with Joran right back from the dash leaning in to the sight of the lights which seem to be a drive and hotel lights or club.

I say that as Satish not Deepak, see different ears is leaning to the right and has right hand down as pulling the vehicle into a sharp turn to the lights. Now the lights show a real big place that has an entrance, see rails by the first standard lamp in the windscreen. Is this someone they can see waiting there as the tenseness of the image and who took it is again for a reason. Deepak is the camera man as I always said and so why he took this picture is important.

Start with the window, although it has headrests same as Honda of European spec in Deepaks car, its arch is to high to be the one in the picture. To me retaking this I took it in an SUV pointing up from this angle. This would make Joran who is tall as lower from the ceiling which is apparent. The flipdown dvd and tv monitor is an lcd and larger than 7 inches, look at ratio to head. Now it is placed so high that those in the back can see this dvd player and not on back of headrests so is a demo car or a professionals car, not a young mans. The interior shows that this is not tinted where in contrast the Honda of Deepaks is. The kit used on his is same as my sons in a film over the glass as a self tint kit. It is not the tinted glass used by the garages.

The sitting forward is for Deepak to take the film of this angle from the back and some feature that is very important to all of them. I get the impression that another seat is filled with a fourth or fifth person who is part of this ensemble in the left behind Satish. The reason for this is his seat is pulled forward and there is some fading in the glass as reflection back. This image was taken with a camera phone. I think that this meeting place is a hotel on the island and Arubagirl can tell which hotel has such strategic light as can remember them from researched photos of the islands tourism outlets. This has to be pre Natalee abduction or when?

I am most concerned as all along the Holliday Inn figured and wondered if indeed Fred West style someone buried her in the building works, which would explain seeing guys come down to investigate car pulling in and them seeing them and they in turn being seen. Make sense? Fingure them before they finger you. It is also possible that this image is a trophy photo, so I want to know asp when I 'window it' where it was published, give me the site, when, and who found it. Also what text or other associated pictures went with it. Again Joran is in the front and not back and Deepak is in the right side of the back aiming the camera low at his waist to the windscreen, to show that dvd not omit it, so what was showing on the screen before. It is a portrait image as still life, so all the components a photographer makes are for getting this image as there will be 20 of them and sent into the camera. One does not take one moving picture, one takes a stream in a digital camera phone.

I say it is camera phone as the image is held with one hand when the other person looks at the screen and not the view through a lens as aiming it. The key is the image is recored past that vital standard lamp. In such a strategic pose that is not showing faces but a view of vegetation and a dark area I would as Tim Miller to excavate that area with Aruban police in presence as this is a safety picture. Someone is being met and this is the reason for the picture. They are pulling in and to the right near Jorans head will be a person sos reflections are shadows. See how high the car is in the turn in circle to the height of the lamps. These are solar powered lights and come on at a certain time and are standard hotel issue, so this is a large car park or back entrance as not grand entrance. Could be the valet station, or the sports club as leisure club, not casino as no neon signs seen yet.

Ozziesmom
   
PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:30
I don't think it's Satish driving, it looks like Deepak to me. I think the person in the back seat taking the pic is laying down/leaning somewhat
BUT I'm not sure

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 4:42 am   
That is a vehicle in front. The corner of the building is where main lampstandard is and is cream or canary yellow, there is the sharp corner. Now stop and image with zoom in. There is the sensor that comes on when someone approaches to the left of this object in front. On zooming in it takes the shape of a large truck with wheels see side view near Jorans head. In this view pixelated as expected is a person in the visor of this truck or hatch with a light as lamp, so small it is flashing green. You can see white and a white tee shirt if you image where this green light is. Someone is leading them into this place and to this meeting point. It is almost like the way Cornish fishermen led the ships on to rocks as small lit candle lanterns which would explain the green flare. This is a person waiting in a large specifice commercial vehicle and there is a radio transmitter above this flare. Is it a garbage truck. Or is it a produce truck as its wheels are small and close together. This then is not a saloon, and an SUV so as to get this elevation to see this corner angle which a low sedan would not. I recreate scenes to see how they are industrialy orchestrated. This is a street that is off to the side, now is that c and c's then as back entrance where someone parks to the left of that building.

If this is important in someones memory of an overnight parking zone or a rendesvous contact the FBI. Images of that truck might be elsewhere in daylight. I would say this is a young lean man in the view that the camera man has taken and shows what to me seems to be a left handed person as light is on left not right of this shades of white image and 'face'. I have the technology to make this emerge with time, but so do FBI more so than I. Me I use medical imaging software so if it can see a cancer cell more defined it can window this as past experience shows.

None of the participants are ruffled, dirty or unkempt, as back view, Satish has the chains around his neck and is lean, so it is why Deepak is chaperoned to this destination as the main man. But Joran is leaning to this image and is in control of situation, neither is scared, alarmed and are prepared for this turn into this location and hence why I was published. So is this to warn someone that they have the follow on to this and have imaged the occupant who I believe is one of the ham radio operators who are in constant chatter on the airwaves, or was?

PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2005 5:18 am    Post subject: Camera    Add User to Ignore List Reply with quote
Olympus? See the left wing mirror has caught the light of the screen lit up and the fingures around it, that person is dark skinned like Satish. Again look at the younger brothers head size and hair and see Satish is larger. Satish is not a photographer, he is a gopher, who drives people and keeps himself to himself.

Look in wing mirror, it shows back windown mirror reflected and a saloon would not do that at this angle. In a showroom imaging same way in angles to reconstruct this image. The make of the dvd or tv is a long name. I will look for model and make. Strangely the driver has a persistence with correct driving in putting on his indicator as red light on right side is blinking on dash board, so someone has told him to turn in and so he reacts as a gopher would and follows in to this curve as off the main road, no lights behind in the wing mirror, that is very important.

Why am I open sourcing this? The answer is it is published on the net for others to see. In that Joran and ilk can see my mindset and not remove this image and know I am tracking and more important as Aruba thanks to Reds presence there is logging on to the site here to read. So a break through could come from those who live there identifying the driver in that vehicle and when and where. That would be very important to the search team to find out the motive of the stopping place. The participants were expecting to meet at this location after dark and is not dusk or dawn so very early in the hours of the morning in an area that has a central standard lamp on the approach as seen in the window near the side frame of the vehicle.

See half view of this to the left of the left hand wing mirror. These are lights not sensors, so why both lined standard lamps on either side of square none decorative building as dwelling and sensors as well on the front and side of this well painted and in good order building. I am saying this as at daylight th
e persons as ordinary workers will be congregating at this location and see what is described. I believe Aruba truth will pick it up. Indeed I ask for them to publish this and the features to find this location of the scene taken.

[MumInOhio]

Hi BB...

Quote Caps
This picture looks like they entering a Garage or some building. will check.

Thanks Mum....and may I add, I agree.

I may be wrong, but I thought someone was able to lighten that picture long ago and they were riding on the road toward Diamonds International.

Diamonds International was on the sign, but it did appear they were entering a loading area, or an import area? The vantage point of the person taking the pic....and likely the one who posted the pic is unique. Whether this was with Bailey Anne or one of the other
20 tourist girls ....no way to know that I can see. But there seems to be a message MOO. Porn on one of the 2 screens.....photog in the back seat. My guess is that the one taking the pic is the usual cameraman........

I was just trying to remember where I saw that logo and yes it is when you leave C&C to driving toward the bus station.

are there more photos?

No, no more photos but this was posted to Jorans tickle site. It was felt by many to be sending a message. There were photos posted of Freddy in the back seat of a vehicle with 2 girls, not showing who was in the front seat...no way to know if they were taken at the same time. As the perps have admited to picking up tourists girls on their last nights some 20 times it might represent any one of those times. Having said that , the pic has been looked out closely.....but why was it posted?

BB....do you recall how long those tickle sites stayed up?

I recall the 'famous pic' was snipped as no-one knew about Freddy in the beginning. and then Tickle was no more.

Did they remove their sites as they did with myspace?   TIA

[CapsLockWizard]

Does anyone think that this picture posted early was trying to show us something important? Not sure is the road to this establishment was paved......but have always felt there was a message.

The picture also show who the driver is and the passenger in front seat

The passenger is Joran..Look at that shirt, Stripes and Green...He was in a shirt like that in one of the photos.

I think going to Jail or comming out of jail or to be interrogated.

I seen that shirt in one of the pictures or was it the movie?   

it is not the Paules...He is a Casino man but Prawls when Anita is not seeing.


LALA:

The Gamblers = Casino man = Paules

[klaasend]

I don't think that photo was posted for any reason other than to show us what Deepak, Joran and Freddy do.

The photo originated from Bailey Ann's webshot site.  Last I looked it's still there. 

[Lala'sMom]

Morning!  I have a few things to post, but I am slow today as life has gotten in my way also.  That photo in the car shows the Diamonds International sign.  If you remember it is the one place there is a supposed video of Natalee in the car with the 3 perps. 

Also, Caps....I have one more Alex question for you...you have filled in some really big gaps lately of Shango's identity and such. Things I have wondered about for a while.  The deep sea fishing connection was a big plus for me, thanks.  I am going to peruse a few places and be right back. 

[CapsLockWizard]

I don't think that photo was posted for any reason other than to show us what Deepak, Joran and Freddy do.

The photo originated from Bailey Ann's webshot site.  Last I looked it's still there. 

Klaasend:

Do you have in you archive some of the picures of Joran in hand cuffs or comming out of KIA. going to Police Station...

in several pictures of him, I seems to rember seeing the green shirt.

[bleachedblack]

Not Klaas but here is one pic...







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[CapsLockWizard]

Not Klaas but here is one pic...







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Well there you have it, The shirt that says it all...it is his favorite shirt. He wears it everywhere...

Maybe that is the only nice shirt he has.!!!

[Lala'sMom]

Caps
The white truck...do you have any idea about who it was?  I am still on that subject for some reason.  I know you and I have discussed this often concerning the asphalt driveway and the white truck.  You will soon learn that I rarely ask any question that I do not already have some idea what the answer will be.  That is how I do things to either reinforce my ideas or discount completely.  You have to answer with a name...just were you able to recognize the person in the truck? 

BTW, I would like to know more about this Spice Night Club.  I have waited to ask details for a while now...if you would be so kind...I understand it was owned by Matthews and when he went to prison...did it just close or was it sold to someone?  Just curious.

[MumInOhio]

Caps…I am still not sure what the ‘responsive to request 41’ means.   TIA
Responsive to Request 41 + Name: Jorge Porras Sanches ....is this like a subphoena?

IIRC you were coming up empty on Freddy Zedan and even said that the name may have been a smokescreen.

Could you please share what you came up with on Freddy and where he lives.

Again TIA

It is not a subphoena: it is the Respons to Artikel 41 of penal code of Aruba

Titel III.  Uitsluiting en verhoging van strafbaarheid

Artikel 41

1.   Niet strafbaar is hij die een feit begaat, geboden door de noodzakelijke verdediging van eigen of eens anders lijf, eerbaarheid of goed tegen ogenblikkelijke, wederrechtelijke aanranding.

2.   Niet strafbaar is de overschrijding van de grenzen van noodzakelijke verdediging, indien zij het onmiddellijk gevolg is geweest van een hevige gemoedsbeweging, door de aanranding veroorzaakt.

Sorry to harp on this...but it's bothering me .....some of this Caps posted a few days ago and I just found the last one(bolded)

Caps...does it make any more sense now?

Last Name:Porras
First Name:Jorge A   
Date of Birth:12/30/1982
Place of Birth:Caracas, Venezuela
Current Address:Rondweg 21, Aruba

Last name:Porras Rodriguez,
Born: Sanchez
First Name: Josefa O   
Date Of Birth: 1/9/1945,
Current Address: Rondweg 21, Aruba

The problem with the name is the Sanchez.

Porros as a last name exist

Sanchez as a Lastname with Jorge as First name but no Porros --NONE

This name must have been made up by someone to protect something.

will check one more datamine.

Responsive to Request 41
+ Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Date: 21 June 2005 / 14:20
Pages: 2
Writer/Initiator: Juan Boezem / Johny Erasmus
Description: witness statement

Name: Jorge Porras Sanches
Name/Title: Reply on request to return suspects belongings
Date: 20 October 2005
Pa.gcs: 1
Writer/Initiator: J.M.A.M. Ponsioen

[MumInOhio]

Freddy....again....


P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:


Snipped
D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood
will hear it.
S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
snipped...

Now when did Freddy talk to ALE that got the Kalpoes arrested?Guess I missed the memo!

[Lala'sMom]

OOPS!  Another question....Caps, do you remember our discussion about the road that is now paved and has the white pickup?  It's in this thread somewhere, but I doubt I could find it now. LOL  I am sure Mum remembers...well, maybe. LOL

Lala's are You talking about the white pickup in front of Lorenzo's house....I think that the pics are in this thread in the pages between 60 and 75 maybe I don't have time now to look but maybe later.... 

Yes, Hotping...I am talking about that white pickup truck that seems as mysterious as Lorenzo himself.  Probably no connection, but the discussion was left hanging and I think it needs more investigation. Thanks for looking for me..I really need to get this thread indexed...I have no idea how to do that either.

[Lala'sMom]

One more question....does Alex Matthews like to deep sea fish?  Anyone know?

Yes he allways charter a boat with his friends when they came to Aruba.
When he started the New Millenium Secuirty Group, He was respected by everyone. but he was hated bay those that allway want to twist the law.

Alex and his crew when they are hired as bouncer for a party, nobody will fool these guys. ID check metal check they had the control of the the situation.

When he presented the proposal to gaurd the hotels and to setup the Visibility team, that was his plans...it did not come from Jeff Lesker, nor from these hotel owners. He left it on jeff Desk as a proposal for his company.

But what made the differance where the color of their skin. The intimidation just becuase of the color of the skin, The descrimination runs deep in the New AHATA run VISIBILITY TEAM.

Just ask yourself, since when is a GM a Law enforceman.

Their job is only to watch the revenue for their properties. Thats all you here allways comming from the Financial controller "The Bottom Line this week is so and so, but we have made Par "

Hotel Lingo.

The CAPS

Interesting that hotel lingo involves golf terms...

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 1:43 am
The Simian has a handicap of 12.

[Lala'sMom]

Freddy....again....


P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:


Snipped
D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood
will hear it.
S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
snipped...

Now when did Freddy talk to ALE that got the Kalpoes arrested?Guess I missed the memo!

I missed it too...interesting.  I need to check that out more. 

[Lala'sMom]

I hope I have this correct..if not maybe Klaas will edit for me.


Posts made by someone at a different location...I am not saying they are fake..just that they were not made by the poster we know as Simian:

June 27, 2005
Her decapitated body to be found.

Her head to wash up on shore later

June 27, 2005
I have not left. I do not want to be copied however and would like to stay and speak.

June 27, 2005
I leave now. The island is stiring.

June 27, 2005
They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one. I said this was to happen. You can praise The Simian later

June 27, 2005
Ally ellos han encontrado su cuerpo. Mire las noticias para más información en esto

All on June 24th:

As Simian:
BREAKING NEWS: Charges have been made against Joran. MURDER by Drug. Father tried to cover up and will be charged soon.
This is huge

As Simian
Im serious - im down her in aruba right now

As crs
Scratch that, it is the real Simian. He confirmed it.

As Simian
Joran was charged with murder not father.

As Simian
Someone is now posting as me. I did not post that joran raped her or that they buried her. News out on the islands says they dumped her somewhere in the ocean. Will probably be really hard to find the body.

[CapsLockWizard]

Caps
The white truck...do you have any idea about who it was?  I am still on that subject for some reason.  I know you and I have discussed this often concerning the asphalt driveway and the white truck.  You will soon learn that I rarely ask any question that I do not already have some idea what the answer will be.  That is how I do things to either reinforce my ideas or discount completely.  You have to answer with a name...just were you able to recognize the person in the truck? 

BTW, I would like to know more about this Spice Night Club.  I have waited to ask details for a while now...if you would be so kind...I understand it was owned by Matthews and when he went to prison...did it just close or was it sold to someone?  Just curious.

The Spice Night Club:

This club belong to Enrique Trimon jr. His father is the owner of The National Car Rental. The Father bought the property for the son Enrique (Froggy). With money of the father, the son build the club.

Spice was a nice latin / dance club in Noord... The club was doing very well, but the Erique jr. (Nic=Froggy) was havely into cocain use. The club was booming with the Latin community at that time. The bouncers operating the entrance where the Millenium Security Group. When froggy could not run it no more, Alex rented the Club out for a Substantial amount for the rights to use this special permit that allows him to run the club till 5:00 am in the morning.

He and his security group did a wonderfull job in running it, but all the money that Alex paid for the rent of the place, froggy was putting up his nose...he was a full Junky. Froggy continue to visit the club at night and over the weekend. Alex did not like it at all that Froggy was in the club doing coke.

Alex put his wife in charge of the Club and here is where the nightmare for him has begun. The wife wanted him to be home with the two kids but Alex was more in the enterpreneurs mode and was expanding his Idea of a security force in Aruba that can protect against these upcomming problematic youth. he was growing and was controlling the night scene at door entrance. he was the commando at night. noboy dare to challange his group becuase they ment bussiness. Infraction, fights, drugs and you are black listed for 3 month then sis month and life.

His wife was behinde the bar and controlled the income. Alex knows the POS (Point of sale System well) and can read the numbers, (Sales on weekend where in the 15000.00 per night) he was also very aware of the Night club scene cheats and who was stealing. Alex confronted her about the missing money several times but she allways had answers, but Alex has another way to controll the bar...He counted the cases of beer, the bottle etc. He did not trust nobody with the numbers except for some of his close friend that he trusted. Sales was way up but the cash count shows diffrent.

Who was managing the bar?.......She was accousing Alex of not beeing a good father and Alex do not like when some one put him down...He confronted the wife with the money issue and it is here that thing escalate to where he beat the wife. The wife called the polis and he went to jail. The wife wanted to punish Alex for what he did but she did forgot that it was Alex who was the brain behind the secure operation of the club. The club was transform by the wife into a house of Rave with no control or knowledge on how to run the bussiness. (Wife was wasting the money and did not pay the rent).

The club could not be managed any more and the rent was not paid and so froggy took it all back. But he aslo was not in a condition to run the club (The money was not comming in) So he desided to pass the license to Ricky Croes from the Taxi Central. Now Taxi Central became SPICE in TAXI CLUB. Ricky was now feeding the habbits of froggy. The Spice in Taxi did well for some time and now it is also dead.. The Colomiban girlfriend from ricky (not his Wife) was also handling the money and flow the nest with the lood.

In 2006 The Taxi Central owners want that the club be shut down so that Taxi central be a Station for Taxi again and a social club for the Taxi group.

The father of froggy tried to help the boy with his problem, but the boy will not stop using cocain.

Froggy with the help of the Father, bought a new Black Hummer car and the rummors are that froggy is in costa Rica where is father has a house.. Froggy seems to be in a Treatment center in Costa Rica. will check more about this.


Note before Spice moved to Taxi Central location, Taxi was know to be a junky hangout place.....

This is a bit of the spice Club.

This is a small Story about the Spice.

This is a small story about the Spice Night Club