SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[JE]

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.


so if i understand correctly Drax says: is dirty handhand PVDS? shango says you answered your own question
meaning yes it is
then he goes back to babalu(chief of police)= dirtyhand
then back to drax saying that he dont understand shango

maybe dirtyhand is not a single person but corruption in general?

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:54 pm
The Arawaks are not going to sacrifice a scapegoat
Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played

[CapsLockWizard]

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.


so if i understand correctly Drax says: is dirty handhand PVDS? shango says you answered your own question
meaning yes it is
then he goes back to babalu(chief of police)= dirtyhand
then back to drax saying that he dont understand shango

maybe dirtyhand is not a single person but corruption in general?

Do not look for one dirtyHand, there several, but the one that we are looking for is PDVS, Ben King, etc. there are several in many capacity that has dirt their hands in the Natalee case.

[COLOMBO]

i.e.

1) DirtyHand is not an Arawak

2) But the foundations will shake even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is found

3) hand holding it dirty too (dirty hand)
a sacrifice will be made to spare the polis, to spare the teepees

[MumInOhio]

COLUMBO...Just thought I'd let you know that I've copied and pasted your posts of the 4th. and 6th. as I am sure I will be looking for some light reading when my internet goes down during the next storm!...LOL 

[JE]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

ignore post if irrelevant

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688

Tommy Croes
(Cuarta y Canto)
Rudy Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Aiky Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Maiky Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Maikito Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Hildward Croes
(Sonfoni'i Man y Canto)
Leoncio Croes
(Guitara y Canto)
Ruben Werleman
(Cuarta y Canto)
Gos Oduber
(Guitara Bajo y Canto)
Rigo Oduber
(Guitara y Canto)
Dennis Oduber
(Percusion y Canto)
Rudney Lopez
(Percusion y Canto)

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

ignore post if irrelevant

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=283019688

Tommy Croes
(Cuarta y Canto)
Rudy Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Aiky Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Maiky Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Maikito Croes
(Percusion y Canto)
Hildward Croes
(Sonfoni'i Man y Canto)
Leoncio Croes
(Guitara y Canto)
Ruben Werleman
(Cuarta y Canto)
Gos Oduber
(Guitara Bajo y Canto)
Rigo Oduber
(Guitara y Canto)
Dennis Oduber
(Percusion y Canto)
Rudney Lopez
(Percusion y Canto)

Good Morning JE...that site tracks who visits their place...only visited once, but I wonder why? Croes and Odubers...I bet the others are related as well...heck everyone on that island is related or will be by the next generation.

[JE]

Mum i just thought it was funny rudy croes himself on percussion

[MumInOhio]

Mum i just thought it was funny rudy croes himself on percussion

Needed to add that Paulus plays something for 'Carnival'...sorry I don't recall what right now....once we finish this index maybe we will be able to put our hand on all this info!...some useless...some not...LOL

[JE]

Paul van der Sloot is a member of a brass band and he goes all out during the carnival, but in Aruba he is mostly known as the serious lawyer for whom the principles of justice always and everywhere comes in first place.

http://www.joranconfesses.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48&Itemid=58

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:19 pm
There are many DirtyHands among the Arawak, and so it has been for centuries…

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:28 pm
All preceding stated is verifiable
DirtyHand is well known
there will be a sacrifice
the gods have been talking
the fires have been lit
the cowboys will go back to the fort without the loot
that is why they are preparing the sacrifice
All fear DirtyHand
Arawaks and babylon
I must go feed the messengers

[truthseeker2]

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.


so if i understand correctly Drax says: is dirty handhand PVDS? shango says you answered your own question
meaning yes it is
then he goes back to babalu(chief of police)= dirtyhand
then back to drax saying that he dont understand shango

maybe dirtyhand is not a single person but corruption in general?

Drax copied the post from Shango and then Drax said to Shango "I don't understand, Shango."

These are the posts that seal the deal for me regarding the identity of Dirty Hand:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

Van Der Straten was the only one known to be leaving at the time of this post.

And...yes...there are many dirty hands in Aruba, but Van Der Straten is the Dirty Hand with the key. imo

[MumInOhio]

Maybe we should take a poll...Truthseeker, Lala's and Mum on van der Straten as Dirty Hand...anyone else?

Lala's and I 'thought' we had our 5th. Suspect!

COLUMBO thinks otherwise on Dirty Hand, won't tell unless you guess and has the singing cards worked out! 

Truthseeker...this is a serious question...did you ever figure out his Lordship?

[truthseeker2]

Truthseeker...this is a serious question...did you ever figure out his Lordship?

Have it narrowed down between Rudy Croes and the Governor General - Fredis J. Refunjol .

[COLOMBO]

DH services Arawak Nation, and this is why it fears him

notice in Shango the interplay (pardon the pun) of DH with PVDS???

DH knows
so does the elder

he walked with the fallen elder

DH & #5 may be one in the same......if so, #5's being 'kept hidden' is what makes PVDS the defacto 5th

PVDS played and lost the hidden card, which the Arawaks cannot allow to sing

[JE]

drax on June 27th, 2005 10:57 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze:…is DirtyHand Poppa VDS?

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:01 pm
The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

drax on June 27th, 2005 11:08 pm
Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.
I don’t understand, Shango.


so if i understand correctly Drax says: is dirty handhand PVDS? shango says you answered your own question
meaning yes it is
then he goes back to babalu(chief of police)= dirtyhand
then back to drax saying that he dont understand shango

maybe dirtyhand is not a single person but corruption in general?

Drax copied the post from Shango and then Drax said to Shango "I don't understand, Shango."

These are the posts that seal the deal for me regarding the identity of Dirty Hand:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:04 pm
Babalu opened a window looking onto Babylon with his 12:30 A.M. post

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

Van Der Straten was the only one known to be leaving at the time of this post.

And...yes...there are many dirty hands in Aruba, but Van Der Straten is the Dirty Hand with the key. imo

Truthseeker thx for the explanation you're right i misread.
but still...

babalu says it's JanVDS  shango answers he opened a window into babylon
My interpretation of this: Babalu gets the general idea he looks in the right direction. He stands at a window and looks in at the corruption

The Rastafarians borrowed the concept of “Babylon” from Revelation to describe oppressive government - “the establishment”. In turn, the Rainbow Family borrowed the term “Babylon” from the Rastas in an effort to describe “mainstream” society and the world outside of the Rainbow Gathering from which they are trying to separate themselves.

In Revelation, chapters 17 through 19, Babylon is used to describe the corrupt oppressive one world government of the antichrist and his one world religion supported by an apostate church.

Now drax says is it Paulus Shango says: The Drax asks a question for which he already provided an answer.

Thats a yes to me

[MumInOhio]

DH services Arawak Nation, and this is why it fears him

notice in Shango the interplay (pardon the pun) of DH with PVDS???

DH knows
so does the elder

he walked with the fallen elder

DH & #5 may be one in the same......if so, #5's being 'kept hidden' is what makes PVDS the defacto 5th

PVDS played and lost the hidden card, which the Arawaks cannot allow to sing

Then I don't think you believe that Freddy can be the 5th. and Lorenzo the singing card. My thought on the two different stories...

Merian clearly points to Freddy...I think...and if Merian is connected to Simian, that would make Freddy, Simian's 5th. Suspect! The famous Pic and whose hand...

OK...I'm more confused than when I started my post...if Paulus is the 'defacto' #5, who is the 'hidden #5?...In your opinion...TIA

LOL...trying to work out if the answer is in your post somewhere!

[COLOMBO]

PVDS played 2 cards-IMO this was summarized in that link you'd posted from RWV.....Croes was not hidden, the other was.....in fact, Jacobs insisted that one individual has nothing at all to do with the case.....not a suspect, never was......but, if he is DirtyHand and can break the alibi, many teepees fall!!!!!

[COLOMBO]

.........he 'walked' with the fallen elder........

[JE]

@truthseeker

Shango on June 27th, 2005 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12

that would make both JanVDS and PVDS dirtyhand

Dirtyhand a general name for the corrupt officials as Caps said?