SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[COLOMBO]

dirty hand is this:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

[COLOMBO]

DH=babylonian

what do babyonians trade?

while of gold bricks
the road is not paved

[COLOMBO]

follow poi$on note$

[MumInOhio]

PVDS played 2 cards-IMO this was summarized in that link you'd posted from RWV.....Croes was not hidden, the other was.....in fact, Jacobs insisted that one individual has nothing at all to do with the case.....not a suspect, never was......but, if he is DirtyHand and can break the alibi, many teepees fall!!!!!

Lorenzo...I can see where you get this. But according to Merian, Freddy is the 5th or is he?
 
I'm assuming that you think Lorenzo is the 5th. I would really like to know more about him and do believe Anita protested too loudly about him in that recent article. I don't believe I even saw on from her about Joran during that time.

JE...are you saying you think that Paulus is Dirty Hand?

[Lala'sMom]

5th Suspect and Dirty Hand....LOL

I have seen more than my share of theories, but let's look at them...

Dirty Hand possibilities:
Jan van der Straten
Rudy Croes
Ben Vocking
Paulus van der Sloot
Ronny Bernadina
Karen Jansen
I have even seen the SG mentioned as DH and also Nelson Oduber. 

5th Suspect possibilities:
Freddy Abrambatizs
Steve Croes
Lorenzo van Rijn or Gijn
Koen or Sander Gottenbos
Paulus van der Sloot
Geoffrey van Cromvoit
I have even seen Joran, Jaime and Val mentioned.

So there you have it...just a few of the usual suspects.  So which ones fit???  I wish Caps would weigh in with his thoughts too.

[COLOMBO]

CAPS already did

[COLOMBO]

Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes


Rember DirtyHand is PAUls other son

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

[Lala'sMom]

Colombo I have yet to see anything that even suggests that Lorenzo is the 5th.  Don't get me wrong that would be my ideal suspect...you know that...but there is nothing that indicates that Lorenzo hung out with Joran or the other pimps.  I would like to see something that would support this other than just Shango says.

There is much that points to Freddy as the 5th. He was known to hang out with Joran on the beach and pick out the girls.  He to was rumored to be at a party and had two girls give statements which are most likley his alibi.  He is mentioned by the Kalpoes on several occasions as to needing to tell the truth.  I think we even found some evidence that he was in the casinos with Joran.

No doubt I would love for Lorenzo to be the 5th...but I am still waiting for that connection.  Is there anyone that can show indications that Lorenzo is the 5th other than Shango says?

[COLOMBO]

would defer to the title for this forum

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

But there is an Arawak Dirty Hand also...so how many are there?

BTW I left out Guido and Jacobs in the 5th and DH scenarios...I think Jacobs could easily be a dirty hand.  He certainly was in Beth's way.

[Lala'sMom]

Babalú Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:26 pm
The kidnapper is not Aruban
Van Rijn can not be pressured
The FBI would close in on the whole operation
The Arubans are prepared to give somebody as a token culprit
They will not sacrifice Steve Croes


Rember DirtyHand is PAUls other son

That was in January...not now...He has changed many of his theories since that was posted.

[JE]

PVDS played 2 cards-IMO this was summarized in that link you'd posted from RWV.....Croes was not hidden, the other was.....in fact, Jacobs insisted that one individual has nothing at all to do with the case.....not a suspect, never was......but, if he is DirtyHand and can break the alibi, many teepees fall!!!!!

Lorenzo...I can see where you get this. But according to Merian, Freddy is the 5th or is he?
 
I'm assuming that you think Lorenzo is the 5th. I would really like to know more about him and do believe Anita protested too loudly about him in that recent article. I don't believe I even saw on from her about Joran during that time.

JE...are you saying you think that Paulus is Dirty Hand?

MUM I m still trying to make sense of this. I just went with the direct question this DRAX poster asked
is dirtyhand PVDS? shango answers "You answered your own question" That sounds like a Yes to me

Then shango also says Babalu knew who dirtyhand was at 12.30

Now that would make JanVDS dirtyhand as well

[Lala'sMom]

PVDS played 2 cards-IMO this was summarized in that link you'd posted from RWV.....Croes was not hidden, the other was.....in fact, Jacobs insisted that one individual has nothing at all to do with the case.....not a suspect, never was......but, if he is DirtyHand and can break the alibi, many teepees fall!!!!!

Lorenzo...I can see where you get this. But according to Merian, Freddy is the 5th or is he?
 
I'm assuming that you think Lorenzo is the 5th. I would really like to know more about him and do believe Anita protested too loudly about him in that recent article. I don't believe I even saw on from her about Joran during that time.

JE...are you saying you think that Paulus is Dirty Hand?

Also, remember that Simian and Merian are most likely the same person...so you have the same person indicating there is "some other" person that has gotten away with something.   Shango is not concerned with a 5th suspect his concern is dirty hand...which could be the same person as well....LOL  I bet you didn't expect me to say that?

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (a.k.a. pimps)
and the arawak nation (polis, gov't)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play (the game)
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note. (bets)
Tell the cowboys!


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon
He holds the real key (to the aforementioned poison house perhaps?)

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

Dirty Hand is the link! (between pimps/Arawaks)

[COLOMBO]

per Babalu......sounds like reference was not to chief of polis going to house of babylon to search for NH

rather, polis often go there looking to play

teepees sway in babylonian breeze........

[finngirl]

there is nothing that indicates that Lorenzo hung out with Joran or the other pimps.  I would like to see something that would support this other than just Shango says.

Jun 18, 2005 5:45pm
arubagirl: aia, van Rijn is the son of the late owner of the Volkswagen dealership. He is very close to van der Sloot, and he has been taken in for questioning.
 
Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:49pm
americaninaruba: they took him again??!!! IM sorry I know who he is but I was lost..I didnt know they have him again....I understood they interrogated him & released him later......wow ok I know who this guy is if you check my posts. I "described" him!

[finngirl]

aug 1, 2005
Peeps: I am the owner of Boost Unit website and the webmaster of the speedshop.

Peeps: Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto " minding our own business"

summer 2005
sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He [meaning Lorenzo] runs with Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello From the Aruba Speed Shop...
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last year, on another beach, I read the text of an IM. the aruban in the conversation was being asked if he would be willing to take this girl to Lorenzo's place so she could party there. his advice? don't go to Lorenzo's. why? because los columbianos are there

June 27th, 2005 10:09pm ******* says:
Checkme - How confident are you in your theory about NH being kidnapped or hurt at a party being hosted by the Columbians? Is it an alternate theory or a predominant one in your mind?

Also, do the Columbians control you guys that much in Aruba? If so, I feel sad for you people that you have to turn the other way in light of such heinous crimes (murder, human sex and drug trafficking). Sure, we have the same crimes and the mafia in the U.S., but we also have people with some courage, which appears to be lacking in this case.

June 27th, 2005 11:54pm Checkme says:
... fear for the Colombians, no we don’t fear them. We can only fear ourselves falling to them as prey. That’s why we humble serve our customers in a legal way and stay out of trouble. Only those that do mess and deal with Colombians need to fear them.

June 28th, 2005 2:21am simian says:
No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.

[I will not be mocked. I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme. They should not be believed]

[COLOMBO]

 Shango Says:
June 30th, 2005 at 2:13 am
How can one hunt for lions with fishing gear?

Time is the enemy of the cowboys
and friend to the Arawaks, the Babylonians, and the hunted Jungle beasts