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« Reply #320 on: August 23, 2007, 01:53:21 PM »

tyler you raise an important point, I think it's impossible to rely upon the statements of Joran or Freddy and particularly not Paulus for accurate information. Koen never made a statement, only his father and Sander.

So I can understand and respect all opinions but I also cannot accept that any of us truly know the true whereabouts of any involved here either. Speculation rules in all things related to Aruba and this case, so the brainstorming around the fifth suspect I do not see as a waste of time either.

I'm not a shango/simian expert either but I do think we don't even have the bare bones of accuracy in any measure from the statements, not even close.

STATEMENTS:
6/16/05   Koen Gottenbos    17:10   Luigi Croes/ Juan Boezem
6/17/05   Koen Gottenbos    11:15  Johny Erasmus/ Juan Boezem
6/20/05   Koen Gottenbos    19:00   Johny Erasmus/Juan Boezem
 
6/16/05   Sander Gottenbos   17:10 Shaniro Kelly/ Clyde Burke
6/17/05   Sander Gottenbos   11:15   Clyde Burke/ Shaniro Kelly

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« Reply #321 on: August 23, 2007, 02:12:04 PM »

My understanding is that Koen was in Aruba at a place that his parents had rented for him.  He was not living with his parents but was still in school, so if he was still in school --- what was he doing in Florida?  I say he was in Aruba, but I do not know that for sure but I do know there were pictures posted here saying "this is Koen's house," for sale.  The boat was backed up to the house.  The two houses had different landscaping, different paint colors and had different locations for the windows and doors.  So it leads me to believe that the person who told me Koen was in Aruba and was living in a house they had rented him is true.  I think Klaas has those pictures in which I pointed that out when it was said, "they could have changed landscaping and house colors.."  How easy to change locations of doors and windows.  There are definitely two different houses with Koen's mode of transportation and boat in the pictures.  So was it Koen's house that was hosting the party on Friday night?
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« Reply #322 on: August 23, 2007, 02:24:54 PM »


I can live without the 10:36 PM Simian post.  What’s more significant is that the Simian reports the call being made at 2:00 AM one time, and at 4:00 AM the other.  If his contact was ALE, it couldn’t have been a direct investigative source, because as you state, investigative ALE must have been working with phone records.  So either his source was peripheral or he fed from island talk too.

There was an Fox interview on August 2nd, where another confusion regarding the pick up time came up, being either 11:00 PM on the 29th or 4:00 PM on the 30th.  According to Greta, the day she showed up at the Van der Sloot’s with Beth, Paulus said 11:00 PM.  Allegedly, Paulus was detained to clear up the pick up time at McDonald’s, because Beth told ALE he had said 4:00 AM.  It has been stated, that he was released from prison because Greta and other witnesses confirmed that he said 11:00 PM, but I can’t ascertain anything and I don’t remember where I read that.

The link for the transcript of this interview is, for reference purposes: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164506,00.html



If I remember correctly, the 11:00 versus 04.00 times came from Beth and Jug and the people that accompanied them to the Van Der Sloots house that first night/early morning.  The Alabama group says orignially Paulus said 04:00 and later changed it to 11:00 pm. So who knows.  That is why I look at the 22:33(10:33 pm) login time as significant.

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« Reply #323 on: August 23, 2007, 02:27:12 PM »

At times it seems Simian and Shango are responding to what each other posts. 

I haven’t found a process of reciprocity about these characters’ posts.  I just see Shango replying to the Simian or alluding to his comments.  It’s a one-way thing.  Just take the examples you have selected for the purpose of tracking the discussions relative to the partygoers alibi.

Before Simian mentioned the gamblers knew the girl, there was no mention by Shango about anybody knowing the girl.  But immediately after that, all the characters of the Shango comments know someone:  the shivas, the arawaks, the Babylonians know or still know the girl and the Tribe knows all the players and even the inner circles of the elders. 

The same thing happens with the Bifron comment by the Simian, which was made at 9:48 PM.  Shango posts the “46th spirit” at 9:51 PM and subsequently mentions the 46 sacrifices.

They weren’t talking to each other and the Simian clearly implies that they are not, when he expresses frustration as a consequence of Shango’s “harassment”, because Shango consistently kept a mocking tail on the Simian.


 

I agree here also, maybe I did not state as well.

Also, I agree that Simian may have been in contact with someone close to the investigation, but possibly no too close, and what we see in his posts comes from that contact. 

When I look at Shango's responses, it seems he may be responding to Simian's information in what he believes to be more to the point, yet he does it in a "not very to the point" process.  The two do actually post to each other, basically calling each other out.  Simian basically calls Shango a liar and admonishes him for his posts.  Shango taunts Simian by insinuating that Simian is not "in the know".  They are reading each other's posts, and yes, Shango responds in his usual "prose", if you will.
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« Reply #324 on: August 23, 2007, 02:29:33 PM »

At times it seems Simian and Shango are responding to what each other posts. 



 
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*Ajax was the son of Telamon. He was a Trojan War hero on the side of the Greeks. When Achilles was killed, his armor was to be awarded to the next greatest Greek hero. Ajax thought it should go to him. Ajax went mad and tried to kill his comrades when the armor was awarded to Odysseus, instead. Athena intervened by making Ajax think cattle were his former allies. When Ajax realized he had slaughtered the herd, he committed suicide as his only honorable end.  On June 20th, SM posted a blurp about Joran being on suicide watch.   http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/?p=1164 

 
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Well, I am glad that you clarified the Ajax and lugubrious game bits.  I would have thought no Ajax, meant no Lestoil, no Mr. Clean, no Spick & Span; and lugubrious game, as being a doleful behavior or pastime.

 

Humor??
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« Reply #325 on: August 23, 2007, 02:47:18 PM »

 
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If you believe Dirty Hand is Van Der Straten - which I do - Then it appears that Van Der Straten can break the alibi of the suspect who had a party.  If you believe Lorenzo had the party then you have to believe Loreanzo shares some degree of guilt.  imo

We have information from two sources and we have no confirmation that they are interrelated.  The Simian brings back the subject of the ravers and the need to pinch them.  In total separateness, Shango mentions that could brake the alibi.  Tying these two comments to mean that Van der Straten could break the alibi of the party and consequently, Lorenzo shares some guilt would be the equivalent of forcing a conclusion.

I don't completely disagree...it does push the envelope somewhat.  If we think in terms of 'alibi', everyone apparently has one.  So which alibi does Shango seem to think can be broken by Dirty Hand (Van Der Straten)?

I still think the Lorenzo alibi is a possibility here.  The flow of the posts does present it as an option.

Did Paulus pick Joran up at 11:00 pm or 04:00 am?  If not until 04:00, then Paulus was lying for some reason.  What would Van Der Straten have that could break that alibi?  (computer records?)  Shango does not say, or, if he did say we have not identified that post.

And of course the Kalpoes and Freddy and Guido...they all must have provided information as to their whereabouts when Natalee went missing.

Which alibi do you think Shango refers to here?
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« Reply #326 on: August 23, 2007, 02:51:52 PM »

My understanding is that Koen was in Aruba at a place that his parents had rented for him.  He was not living with his parents but was still in school, so if he was still in school --- what was he doing in Florida?  I say he was in Aruba, but I do not know that for sure but I do know there were pictures posted here saying "this is Koen's house," for sale.  The boat was backed up to the house.  The two houses had different landscaping, different paint colors and had different locations for the windows and doors.  So it leads me to believe that the person who told me Koen was in Aruba and was living in a house they had rented him is true.  I think Klaas has those pictures in which I pointed that out when it was said, "they could have changed landscaping and house colors.."  How easy to change locations of doors and windows.  There are definitely two different houses with Koen's mode of transportation and boat in the pictures.  So was it Koen's house that was hosting the party on Friday night?

As good a possibility as any.
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« Reply #327 on: August 23, 2007, 03:30:47 PM »

I for one, do no think the prosecution or a judge would simply take the American's word that Paulus said he was somewhere at 4 AM.  The statement, IIRC, was that a witness placed him at the McDonald's area at 4 AM.  Anyone?


Shango and Simian knew each other.  If you go by what Rob has said, they were friends and IM'd each other on the well known places. Once again...IF you read the old FP archives IN ORDER you will see that Simian and Shango converse quite a bit.  It's the posts interjected between that makes for difficult reading. Often unrelated to what is being said by Shango and Simian.  Look for their friends posts before and after to understand the questions and answers.

Where did we come up with the idea that Koen was not in Aruba at this time?  Who told us this?  Bondia? Scuba? Melody? Anita?  Who?  Why doesn't Sander say that Koen was never there on the island?  Why isn't Koen participating in the "family" function?  They moved to Georgia together, why not go to Florida together?  Sander asks Joran to go out with him on his boat the very same day Joran goes to the casino.  I get the impression the reason he did not go with Sander was because of the free tournament.  That means Sander was out late at night too?  On the boat?  By himself?   Really!

Koen was clearly being questioned and giving statements according to Dr. Phil requests.  Notice the times some of these were taken.  Sander was being questioned at the same time.  June 16, who was questioning Koen?

Answers, sometimes are known
In advance of the proposed inquiry...

The guilty often lie to keep the story alive
Even when the truth is already apparent...

(that sounds Shangoish, it's not... it's my own little riddle)
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« Reply #328 on: August 23, 2007, 03:33:00 PM »

And one last thing...if you try to understand Shango in a logical context you are only fooling yourself...Shango is not logical.  Otherwise why post in riddles?  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #329 on: August 23, 2007, 04:00:05 PM »

I for one, do no think the prosecution or a judge would simply take the American's word that Paulus said he was somewhere at 4 AM.  The statement, IIRC, was that a witness placed him at the McDonald's area at 4 AM.  Anyone?


Shango and Simian knew each other.  If you go by what Rob has said, they were friends and IM'd each other on the well known places. Once again...IF you read the old FP archives IN ORDER you will see that Simian and Shango converse quite a bit.  It's the posts interjected between that makes for difficult reading. Often unrelated to what is being said by Shango and Simian.  Look for their friends posts before and after to understand the questions and answers.

Where did we come up with the idea that Koen was not in Aruba at this time?  Who told us this?  Bondia? Scuba? Melody? Anita?  Who?  Why doesn't Sander say that Koen was never there on the island?  Why isn't Sander  participating in the "family" function?  They moved to Georgia together, why not go to Florida together?  Sander asks Joran to go out with him on his boat the very same day Joran goes to the casino.  I get the impression the reason he did not go with Sander was because of the free tournament.  That means Sander was out late at night too?  On the boat?  By himself?   Really!

Koen was clearly being questioned and giving statements according to Dr. Phil requests.  Notice the times some of these were taken.  Sander was being questioned at the same time.  June 16, who was questioning Sander?

Answers, sometimes are known
In advance of the proposed inquiry...

The guilty often lie to keep the story alive
Even when the truth is already apparent...

(that sounds Shangoish, it's not... it's my own little riddle)


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« Reply #330 on: August 23, 2007, 04:14:12 PM »

I for one, do no think the prosecution or a judge would simply take the American's word that Paulus said he was somewhere at 4 AM.  The statement, IIRC, was that a witness placed him at the McDonald's area at 4 AM.  Anyone?


Shango and Simian knew each other.  If you go by what Rob has said, they were friends and IM'd each other on the well known places. Once again...IF you read the old FP archives IN ORDER you will see that Simian and Shango converse quite a bit.  It's the posts interjected between that makes for difficult reading. Often unrelated to what is being said by Shango and Simian.  Look for their friends posts before and after to understand the questions and answers.


Lala's,

I have read the posts from the old Front Pages IN ORDER a number of times.  Shango's first few posts are directed at Simian.  Simian does not directly respond to Shango until he is pizzed off.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost.
Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
So it will remain “cowboys and indians”
The posse was too late

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

Simian is not responding to Shango at this time.

Two days later they engage:


Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 1:52 AM
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:01 AM
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:09 AM
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:18 AM
F@ck the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.


Simian makes a few posts in French and Pap

Then:

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:32
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:45 am
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:50 AM
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…
Posted Jun 28, 2:50 AM

And then Shango rants:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!


While Shango refers to the Simian doppleganger, these posts were identified as 'real Simian' posts.

I don't see any other direct interaction between the two.  We can suppose (which I have done in order to include or eliminate scenarios) they are posting in the same vein at times. 

So...I have no idea if they were friends or where that information came from.  But, if they were they did a good job of hiding it.
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« Reply #331 on: August 23, 2007, 08:16:01 PM »

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I for one, do no think the prosecution or a judge would simply take the American's word that Paulus said he was somewhere at 4 AM.  The statement, IIRC, was that a witness placed him at the McDonald's area at 4 AM.  Anyone?


Shango and Simian knew each other.  If you go by what Rob has said, they were friends and IM'd each other on the well known places. Once again...IF you read the old FP archives IN ORDER you will see that Simian and Shango converse quite a bit.  It's the posts interjected between that makes for difficult reading. Often unrelated to what is being said by Shango and Simian.  Look for their friends posts before and after to understand the questions and answers.


Lala's,

I have read the posts from the old Front Pages IN ORDER a number of times.  Shango's first few posts are directed at Simian.  Simian does not directly respond to Shango until he is pizzed off.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost.
Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
So it will remain “cowboys and indians”
The posse was too late

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant

Simian is not responding to Shango at this time.

Two days later they engage:

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 1:52 AM
The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks was is going on is shameless. Playing with feelings.
Th Simian’s umbilical is buried close to the heart of the island. NOBODY EVER try to put us down. The Simian hates what he has been reading.
All things must pass.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:01 AM
The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.
Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.
The Simian is angry. Over and out.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:09 AM
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
Seeing how this has been used to foul, the Simian will again say that he will retire.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:18 AM
F@ck the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.


Simian makes a few posts in French and Pap

Then:

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:32
Shango, you have been pinged. No pone bo mes na liña. E cosnan cu bo a papia awe por haci’bo dolor mañan. Cera bo boca y no papia di loke bo no sa. Bai drumi, paso ta laat.
Hopi hende ta lesa loke bo ta skibi. Nan lanta na porta di bo cas mañan, no spanta.


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:45 am
Shango finds it very humorous (and quite fitting) that a frenchman would assume the monniker of a Primate

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:50 AM
As opposed to? Crack a book some time…
Posted Jun 28, 2:50 AM

And then Shango rants:

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:59 am
The Simian Doppleganger is upset because the arawak nation is hiding the truth from the cowboys
DirtyHand knows
Simian knows
The Simian stated for 2 days, the key would come from the hague the next day
Shango said no two times
Is Simian a DirtyHand too
Has the Simian played with the lions
in the houses of ill-repute and poison notes
where the innocent flies are lured?
Has the Simian, primate that he is, fed with the other animals?
Back ye fetid mongrel, as the 46th are you; delegate of the 7th level of inferno,
not birthed, but spewed from the dark chasm of a nightmare!


While Shango refers to the Simian doppleganger, these posts were identified as 'real Simian' posts.

I don't see any other direct interaction between the two.  We can suppose (which I have done in order to include or eliminate scenarios) they are posting in the same vein at times.

So...I have no idea if they were friends or where that information came from.  But, if they were they did a good job of hiding it.


I am confused as your point?  What did I say to get you after me?  Laughing There is interaction between them.  I think I am lost as what you are saying?  That Simian and Shango did not know each other and did not interact at anytime? It depends on whose information you choose to believe as to who they are and what they knew.  I am only pointing out some of the things we have discussed before on SM concerning Shango and Simian, more so Shango. I did not say I believed it, just passing it along.
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« Reply #332 on: August 23, 2007, 09:39:31 PM »

Lala's,

I'm not "after you".  Not at all.

My point was that Shango started his posting career here addressing Simian directly.  Simian, however, did not respond directly to Shango's questions.  They did, however, respond to each other with some degree of animosity right before Shango stopped posting.  It does not appear that they were friends.  If they knew each other I doubt Simian would have mentioned the "power of the ping".  I know where you said that information came from, I'm just not sure where he got it from.

What started this line of thinking was trying to determine if they were talking about the same things at the same time.  When Simian mentions the 5th suspect, Shango does not post anything about a 5th suspect.  He does, however, take up Simian's reference to Bifrons so I have been looking at all of the original posts to see if I can determine which Simian posts Shango takes up and uses his own method of posting in riddle form.

We're cool, lady.  No problem here.
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« Reply #333 on: August 23, 2007, 11:06:44 PM »

Oh good.  I feel better now. 
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« Reply #334 on: August 24, 2007, 01:22:21 AM »


I can live without the 10:36 PM Simian post.  What’s more significant is that the Simian reports the call being made at 2:00 AM one time, and at 4:00 AM the other.  If his contact was ALE, it couldn’t have been a direct investigative source, because as you state, investigative ALE must have been working with phone records.  So either his source was peripheral or he fed from island talk too.

There was an Fox interview on August 2nd, where another confusion regarding the pick up time came up, being either 11:00 PM on the 29th or 4:00 PM on the 30th.  According to Greta, the day she showed up at the Van der Sloot’s with Beth, Paulus said 11:00 PM.  Allegedly, Paulus was detained to clear up the pick up time at McDonald’s, because Beth told ALE he had said 4:00 AM.  It has been stated, that he was released from prison because Greta and other witnesses confirmed that he said 11:00 PM, but I can’t ascertain anything and I don’t remember where I read that.

The link for the transcript of this interview is, for reference purposes: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,164506,00.html



If I remember correctly, the 11:00 versus 04.00 times came from Beth and Jug and the people that accompanied them to the Van Der Sloots house that first night/early morning.  The Alabama group says orignially Paulus said 04:00 and later changed it to 11:00 pm. So who knows.  That is why I look at the 22:33(10:33 pm) login time as significant.


My understanding is the reason Paulus was arrested was because he indeed changed the time to 11 p.m. from 4 a.m., when he said at 4 a.m., "I picked them up" and then he said regards the 11 p.m., "I picked Joran up" and there was a witness to the 4 a.m. whereabouts of Paulus, thereby, catching him in the web he was weaving.
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« Reply #335 on: August 24, 2007, 01:28:18 AM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
So it will remain “cowboys and indians”
The posse was too late

It was along about this time that Spong went to Aruba and said he was there to play "cowboys & Indians."  It was following this that we were hearing Paulus was going to sue blogs for posting negatively about the Sporter.  Did Spong go to Aruba to help with Paulus' defense and was it Spong who was advising Paulus to sue the blogs?  Was "Spong" supposed to bring the package from the Hague?  What was that package?  Was it Guido?
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« Reply #336 on: August 24, 2007, 09:34:15 AM »

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:30 pm
Simian, his lordship did not bring the key for the Arawaks
So it will remain “cowboys and indians”
The posse was too late

It was along about this time that Spong went to Aruba and said he was there to play "cowboys & Indians."  It was following this that we were hearing Paulus was going to sue blogs for posting negatively about the Sporter.  Did Spong go to Aruba to help with Paulus' defense and was it Spong who was advising Paulus to sue the blogs?  Was "Spong" supposed to bring the package from the Hague?  What was that package?  Was it Guido?

I didn't know Paulus was talking about suing the blogs so early in this case, but it does not surprise me to hear it.

Interesting theory about the package from the Hague being Guido...

Also, this post from Shango seems to allude to something found "in the car", yet in contradictory fashion Shango says "it did not exist".  If it's found it exists, unless they are going to say "what we found was nothing".  Could be something to do Guido, I suppose.  I think this post is interesting:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:33 pm
Simian, His Lordship did not bring the key found in the car, it did not exist
The arawaks can’t open the door
Hope lies with the cowbous,
but the posse was too late
Eden is still distant
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« Reply #337 on: August 24, 2007, 04:26:21 PM »


STATEMENTS:
6/16/05   Koen Gottenbos    17:10   Luigi Croes/ Juan Boezem
6/17/05   Koen Gottenbos    11:15  Johny Erasmus/ Juan Boezem
6/20/05   Koen Gottenbos    19:00   Johny Erasmus/Juan Boezem
 
6/16/05   Sander Gottenbos   17:10 Shaniro Kelly/ Clyde Burke
6/17/05   Sander Gottenbos   11:15   Clyde Burke/ Shaniro Kelly


This is a very good example of why we should be somewhat skeptic and not take as valid information just because it has been repeated over and over and over.

We have read in excess about how Koen was not interrogated because he was such a chicken that had to sleep with his mother and his father had to fill in for him, but seldom have we seen denials because in fact he did give statements.

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« Reply #338 on: August 24, 2007, 04:28:22 PM »

[If I remember correctly, the 11:00 versus 04.00 times came from Beth and Jug and the people that accompanied them to the Van Der Sloots house that first night/early morning.  The Alabama group says orignially Paulus said 04:00 and later changed it to 11:00 pm. So who knows.  That is why I look at the 22:33(10:33 pm) login time as significant.

I don’t see how if Joran went online or not at 10:33 PM has any impact on the case.  I’ll appreciate more details as to why you think this is important.
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« Reply #339 on: August 24, 2007, 04:30:15 PM »

I agree here also, maybe I did not state as well.

Also, I agree that Simian may have been in contact with someone close to the investigation, but possibly no too close, and what we see in his posts comes from that contact. 

When I look at Shango's responses, it seems he may be responding to Simian's information in what he believes to be more to the point, yet he does it in a "not very to the point" process.  The two do actually post to each other, basically calling each other out.  Simian basically calls Shango a liar and admonishes him for his posts.  Shango taunts Simian by insinuating that Simian is not "in the know".  They are reading each other's posts, and yes, Shango responds in his usual "prose", if you will.

I guess we can safely state that Simian and Shango’s interaction was strife among rivals, caused by Shango’s persistent annoyance.  If you agree, then we should not use the comments of one to support a “believe” about the comment of the other.

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