SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[truthseeker2]

Does anyone have a link to the 2005 Front Page posts?

[truthseeker2]

Colombo I have yet to see anything that even suggests that Lorenzo is the 5th.  Don't get me wrong that would be my ideal suspect...you know that...but there is nothing that indicates that Lorenzo hung out with Joran or the other pimps.  I would like to see something that would support this other than just Shango says.

There is much that points to Freddy as the 5th. He was known to hang out with Joran on the beach and pick out the girls.  He to was rumored to be at a party and had two girls give statements which are most likley his alibi.  He is mentioned by the Kalpoes on several occasions as to needing to tell the truth.  I think we even found some evidence that he was in the casinos with Joran.

No doubt I would love for Lorenzo to be the 5th...but I am still waiting for that connection.  Is there anyone that can show indications that Lorenzo is the 5th other than Shango says?

I do not recall a post where Shango mentions the "5th suspect".  Simian posted many times about a 5th suspect.  Simian was somehow 'connected' to ALE, therefore I have never been sure that information coming from Simian was anything more than what ALE wanted people to know or think.  jmho

[JE]

aug 1, 2005
Peeps: I am the owner of Boost Unit website and the webmaster of the speedshop.

Peeps: Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto " minding our own business"

summer 2005
sandraK: Lorenzo's Dad had a VW Dealership.. He is dead.sadly..He [meaning Lorenzo] runs with Max Arendsz & Orlando Bello From the Aruba Speed Shop...
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last year, on another beach, I read the text of an IM. the aruban in the conversation was being asked if he would be willing to take this girl to Lorenzo's place so she could party there. his advice? don't go to Lorenzo's. why? because los columbianos are there

June 27th, 2005 10:09pm ******* says:
Checkme - How confident are you in your theory about NH being kidnapped or hurt at a party being hosted by the Columbians? Is it an alternate theory or a predominant one in your mind?

Also, do the Columbians control you guys that much in Aruba? If so, I feel sad for you people that you have to turn the other way in light of such heinous crimes (murder, human sex and drug trafficking). Sure, we have the same crimes and the mafia in the U.S., but we also have people with some courage, which appears to be lacking in this case.

June 27th, 2005 11:54pm Checkme says:
... fear for the Colombians, no we don’t fear them. We can only fear ourselves falling to them as prey. That’s why we humble serve our customers in a legal way and stay out of trouble. Only those that do mess and deal with Colombians need to fear them.

June 28th, 2005 2:21am simian says:
No me hagan mofa. Estoy molesto por las bobedades de Shango y Shock y Checkme. Se creen, pero no son.

[I will not be mocked. I am bothered by the bobedades (?) of Shango and Shock and Checkme. They should not be believed]

I read something a while back pretty outrageous. it was about parties being organized at lorenzo's house where guys with guns were doing surveillance on the property. A new girl had to be brought in every time. there were dog fights. Girls had to do the laundry or wash the dishes(a metaphor for sexual activities) the guys with guns were referenced to as having flowers. Stupid as i was i dismisssed it because i thought it was to outrageous. It mentioned colombians etc etc. i ll see if i can dig it up

[COLOMBO]

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Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
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Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.
 

[truthseeker2]

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am
Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….DirtyHand is the the Keystone!The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.  Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid   attention from the cowboys and the fort

Questions for the S/S fans:

Who was the first person to say publically that Natalee was no longer alive?

Who retired...leaving Aruba?

Who was in charge of the investigation at the beginning?

My answer:
Jan Van Der Straten

[COLOMBO]

DirtyHand is the key that opened the door to the Lion's Den, and, if an Arawak entered to probe the maze's fetid depths, what would he/she find?

Arawaks!

All the Arawaks know the maze that plays the poison songs

but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

His reach is long (yeah, long arm)

Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings

A sacrifice will be made to spare the polis (dirty hand won't sing)

DirtyHand is not an Arawak

DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire. (holds the real key!)


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions? (who are the lions??)
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.


Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

[Lala'sMom]

Colombo I have yet to see anything that even suggests that Lorenzo is the 5th.  Don't get me wrong that would be my ideal suspect...you know that...but there is nothing that indicates that Lorenzo hung out with Joran or the other pimps.  I would like to see something that would support this other than just Shango says.

There is much that points to Freddy as the 5th. He was known to hang out with Joran on the beach and pick out the girls.  He to was rumored to be at a party and had two girls give statements which are most likley his alibi.  He is mentioned by the Kalpoes on several occasions as to needing to tell the truth.  I think we even found some evidence that he was in the casinos with Joran.

No doubt I would love for Lorenzo to be the 5th...but I am still waiting for that connection.  Is there anyone that can show indications that Lorenzo is the 5th other than Shango says?

I do not recall a post where Shango mentions the "5th suspect".  Simian posted many times about a 5th suspect.  Simian was somehow 'connected' to ALE, therefore I have never been sure that information coming from Simian was anything more than what ALE wanted people to know or think.  jmho

Shango doesn't mention the 5th suspect. I was being facetious...sorry.  Forgot my sarcasm included there.  What I meant was it seems all we ever do is play the "shango says" game without anything to back it up.


BTW, Mum and I have tried to find the link to Lorenzo...that makes him the 5th suspect.   Believe me I have tried...I want it to be so...but Freddy is a better fit.  Actually, GVC fits and so does Guido and a few others. LOL 

[Lala'sMom]

I have been meaning to tell Finngirl, since she asked me the other day... there is a thread devoted to all the Peeps and Boostunit stuff somewhere here.  I think ******* started it. I need to go find it, I guess.

[Lala'sMom]

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am
Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….DirtyHand is the the Keystone!The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.  Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid   attention from the cowboys and the fort

Questions for the S/S fans:

Who was the first person to say publically that Natalee was no longer alive?

Who retired...leaving Aruba?

Who was in charge of the investigation at the beginning?

My answer:
Jan Van Der Straten

Here... you are going to need this...

[Lala'sMom]

DirtyHand is the key that opened the door to the Lion's Den, and, if an Arawak entered to probe the maze's fetid depths, what would he/she find?

Arawaks!

All the Arawaks know the maze that plays the poison songs

but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

His reach is long (yeah, long arm)

Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings

A sacrifice will be made to spare the polis (dirty hand won't sing)

DirtyHand is not an Arawak

DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire. (holds the real key!)


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions? (who are the lions??)
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.


Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

So are you saying that Dirty Hand is not a member of the police? Is that what you mean?  I need help...as usual.

[Finbar]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm

DirtyHand is not a child of Babylon

So, he is not Dutch & not Aruban. What nationality is he?

Literally one would think it means someone that is not from NL or Aruba.

Yet, child of Babylon infers - not a young person of Dutch decent. Could mean an older person that is Dutch.

Not Arawak meaning - not descended from the original islanders. Could be borne there, but I think locals mean one has to have been there for several generations to be considered Aruban(Arawak).

Could also be an elder person of Dutch and Aruban parents that are not considered Arawak.

Could be someone that was borne there and not of Dutch or Aruban heritage.

Could be someone that settled there from another country than NL or Aruba.

If we assume that Shango was trying to help and if what he stated is true, then we must find someone that fits one of these criteria of birth and origin.

I think these are things that only the locals may know.

Fin

[COLOMBO]

not the son of a babylonian elder

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

[COLOMBO]

DirtyHand is the key that opened the door to the Lion's Den, and, if an Arawak entered to probe the maze's fetid depths, what would he/she find?

Arawaks!

All the Arawaks know the maze that plays the poison songs

but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

His reach is long (yeah, long arm)

Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings

A sacrifice will be made to spare the polis (dirty hand won't sing)

DirtyHand is not an Arawak

DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.
But not to satiate desire. (holds the real key!)


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions? (who are the lions??)
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation


Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.


Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

So are you saying that Dirty Hand is not a member of the police? Is that what you mean?  I need help...as usual.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion. (to "play")
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions? (who are the lions??)
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

[Lala'sMom]

Where is the Maze?

[truthseeker2]

Where is the Maze?

I do not believe the maze is a place.  I believe the maze is the system that makes the game work.

[COLOMBO]

The "house" (of gold bricks) with the path.......

http://www.group-sales.com/resorts/aruba/wyndham_aruba.php

 We offer a daily promotion which is specially designed to give you the most probabilities to walk away with your pockets filled with merchandise, cash, restaurant discount coupons, weekend stays and even a new car! (the road is not paved)

We also feature a special high limit exclusive area (the path to the maze!!!!)

The Casino Bar offers specialty drink favorites and live music which will keep the rhythm of the night pumping.  

We offer five extraordinary restaurants with gourmet cuisine to please every palate - from continental to authentic Caribbean.

[COLOMBO]

Open from midday until the early hours, this "Gaming Paradise" offers the excitement of your favorite traditional and classic table games, in a glamorous, glittering Arabic atmosphere.

[Lala'sMom]

Where is the Maze?
Who are the Elders?

[JE]

posted by tamikosmom in case discussion

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 183: I asked Jacobs to print me out another copy of my statement, and Art Wood came walking in.  He noticed a computer printout on the wall about Natalee’s case.  It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it.  He noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it.  We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance.  He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy.   Art was trying to figure out how the flowchart worked, and he noticed that some of the names were significantly larger than others.  He asked Jacobs what that symbolized, and Jacobs responded that it was just the way the computer printed it out.  Art asked him where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart.   We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction.  There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence.  Apparently, you cannot get into that place.  It looks like a prison camp.  Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Maybe you all knew already but it just caught my eye

[COLOMBO]

Sounds like the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)