SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[hotping]

Sounds like the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)

Hidden card meaning illegitimate son....XTCDNA???

[truthseeker2]

Sounds like the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)

Played and lost according to Shango.

[Lala'sMom]

posted by tamikosmom in case discussion

Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 183: I asked Jacobs to print me out another copy of my statement, and Art Wood came walking in.  He noticed a computer printout on the wall about Natalee’s case.  It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and interested parties on it.  He noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumoured to be Joran’s half brother, was not on it.  We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee’s disappearance.  He is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy.   Art was trying to figure out how the flowchart worked, and he noticed that some of the names were significantly larger than others.  He asked Jacobs what that symbolized, and Jacobs responded that it was just the way the computer printed it out.  Art asked him where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee’s case, so he doesn’t have to be on the flow chart.   We left, and Art commented on Jacobs’ reaction.  There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote-controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence.  Apparently, you cannot get into that place.  It looks like a prison camp.  Since Lorenzo is suppose to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give Natalee, they may have gotten them from him.

Maybe you all knew already but it just caught my eye

He is also called "locoman" just like Freddy. 

[Lala'sMom]

Sounds like the hidden card that was played (by PVDS)

Played and lost according to Shango.

What would be Paulus' purpose of exposing Lorenzo? 

[COLOMBO]

save his ass

[COLOMBO]

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

[COLOMBO]

the maze is difficult for the supposed guilty even if innocent

Shango: why did the girl owe money?

His Lordship (preserving babylon) and the 46th in the maze:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ

[truthseeker2]

Shango uses the term ‘house’ as an esoteric term.  He uses ‘house of babylon’ and the ‘Royal House’.  While the Royal House is something that does exist, consider who is part of the Royal House.  You would think anyone in the Royal family would be part of the Royal House.  Not so.  For instance, you may be part of the Royal family, but if you marry a commoner you are no longer part of the Royal House.

The Babylonian house, I believe, is a reference to the dutch elite in Aruba.  These are well to do Dutch expatriates who do as they please on Aruba.  They are protected by the likes of Jan Van Der Straten and Karin Janssen.  Both are Dutch, yet hold critical positions on Aruba even though Aruba is ‘independent’ of Holland except in matters of national defense and ….the judiciary.  Convenient. 

The house of rave is also esoteric.  Rave is to party without any inhibitions often accompanied by the use of drugs such as ecstacy.  Shango seems to imply that the Dutch and young Arubans do this together from time to time.  However, it’s not out in the open.  The Babylonians are the Dutch elite and are not normally associated with commoners on Aruba.  I think Paulus was a fringe member of the Dutch elite.  He would like to consider himself part of the House of Babylon, but he never quite makes it in.  He’s just Dutch in Aruba, which is better than any other Nationality on Aruba.

Shango uses these terms to get across to us that there is a caste system of sorts in Aruba.  The one that has distracted us the most is House of Rave.  Interesting in that if you think of ‘house’ in an esoteric fashion you are not looking for a specific place as much as you would be looking for a group of people who provide all of the required elements of an uninhibited ‘good time’.  Where else to find such a group but those involved in the the tourist trade. 

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 8:11 pm
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA

One straight path is the beach where you find most of the hotels and casinos that attract the tourists.  These are manmade beaches (not paved) that cost a great deal of money (gold bricks) to create.  If you look into this “House of Rave” and you know the exercise of Magical Letters you may find some answers.

http://www.udel.edu/eli/2006P4L/badr2.pdf

Shango never truly clarifies the ‘House of Rave’ as a particular place.  One poster guesses that ‘it’ is a country house with different rooms where things happen.  Could this description not also apply to hotels and/or timeshares?

[COLOMBO]

if you lose at blackjack, who is the winner?

[COLOMBO]

house of rave=where you find lions

lions rave, too

[truthseeker2]

house of rave=where you find lions

lions rave, too

Many of the Dutch flags have an emblem depicting a Lion.  Coincidence???????????   Maybe.  Maybe not.

[truthseeker2]

if you lose at blackjack, who is the winner?

The House.

[JE]

Is there a chronological document of the shango/simian posts that also shows other posters responses to what they said? I have a feeling that Shango/Simian use their metaphors loosely on occasion. It would be interested to see in which posts they respond to other posters and in which posts they seem to reveal details about the case. For example in some posts Babylon seems to refer to dutch or holland where as in others it is very plausible that it refers to Babylon as coruption in general

[CapsLockWizard]

LALA:

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am
Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….DirtyHand is the the Keystone!The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.  Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid   attention from the cowboys and the fort

I thought you have this already solved.

[Lala'sMom]

LALA:

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am
Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….DirtyHand is the the Keystone!The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.  Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid   attention from the cowboys and the fort

I thought you have this already solved.

I do..they don't. LOL

[Lala'sMom]

Is there a chronological document of the shango/simian posts that also shows other posters responses to what they said? I have a feeling that Shango/Simian use their metaphors loosely on occasion. It would be interested to see in which posts they respond to other posters and in which posts they seem to reveal details about the case. For example in some posts Babylon seems to refer to dutch or holland where as in others it is very plausible that it refers to Babylon as coruption in general

Simian says the babylonians are the gamblers so would that not make babylon the casinos?

[Lala'sMom]

if you lose at blackjack, who is the winner?

The House?

[hotping]

if you lose at blackjack, who is the winner?

The Dealer

[jackb]

Colombo I have yet to see anything that even suggests that Lorenzo is the 5th.  Don't get me wrong that would be my ideal suspect...you know that...but there is nothing that indicates that Lorenzo hung out with Joran or the other pimps.  I would like to see something that would support this other than just Shango says.

There is much that points to Freddy as the 5th. He was known to hang out with Joran on the beach and pick out the girls.  He to was rumored to be at a party and had two girls give statements which are most likley his alibi.  He is mentioned by the Kalpoes on several occasions as to needing to tell the truth.  I think we even found some evidence that he was in the casinos with Joran.

No doubt I would love for Lorenzo to be the 5th...but I am still waiting for that connection.  Is there anyone that can show indications that Lorenzo is the 5th other than Shango says?

I do not recall a post where Shango mentions the "5th suspect".  Simian posted many times about a 5th suspect.  Simian was somehow 'connected' to ALE, therefore I have never been sure that information coming from Simian was anything more than what ALE wanted people to know or think.  jmho

  The 5th suspect is GCV.  There were others who were brought in as witnesses, but Guido and GCV were suspects.  The list reads him being arrested 5th.  That may be the reason for so much "protecting" going on.  GVC's dad is in charge of the videos and knows if JVS gets sunk his son goes along with it.  GVC's sister works for LE in Aruba and knew what evidence there was and had friends as well as Vanderstratten was friends with at least GVC and Jorn.  Joran is getting more flack than GVC, but I have reason to believe he was deeply involved as Joran and his dad and may have used his service revolver.    He and Guido are waltzing away from being suspects in the more serious crimes to allow Joran to take full accountability along with his family.  I also believe some of the kids may have mentioned to that pack of wolves that NH was not a wild girl and was probably a virgin and not to treat her like she was loose.  This part I am theorizing on in that I have heard nothing about anyone saying about her being a nice girl, etc. to them) but as evil as they are this could have made them even more inclined to "teach her a lesson."         jack blue

[Lala'sMom]

Is there a chronological document of the shango/simian posts that also shows other posters responses to what they said? I have a feeling that Shango/Simian use their metaphors loosely on occasion. It would be interested to see in which posts they respond to other posters and in which posts they seem to reveal details about the case. For example in some posts Babylon seems to refer to dutch or holland where as in others it is very plausible that it refers to Babylon as coruption in general

I would be happy to find them for you if you will tell me which ones you want.  I have posted some of them in context already on past pages. 29 and up to about 38 or so..