SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

When was GVC first questioned?   That is as elusive as when was Freddy's first statement?  Also, to be the 5th he has to be a suspect, but in Aruba this is sometimes interchangeable with witness.  He has to be someone Natalee met within the first day or so. What kind of alibi did he have?  Who provided it?  Was he giving a party?  This is what Simian says and I posted it in context so the conversation would be easier to understand.  I think it's Lorenzo...Mum thinks it's Freddy.  Both were arrested/detained and questioned and provided alibis.  Can we do that with GVC or Guido?  If so then they are just as viable for being the 5th also.




#  Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:56 pm

The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm

Stefe:

****yawn****

You’re boring me.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm

Sim - what is the other side of the pond? Is it a place, or is it an organization?


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:58 pm

wat alibi does the 5ht suspect have??


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

Who is the 5th suspect? There are now 4. Who is the 5th?


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

“the other side of the pond” - the Aruban Mafia


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:00 pm

The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

The other side of pond I assume is the us and you are insinuting it is her friends/family involved.


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

whose boyfriend earlier in the week??????


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

Huh Simian?


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

What boyfriend? Whose? I am confused Sim.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

This is getting really bizarre. Who’s boyfriend from earlier in the week?


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

Simian:
Boyfriend from earlier? Can you elaborate??

Thanx!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

Sim - i am totally lost on what you are saying.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

SImian
Is #5 Van Rijn????????


#  Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
And I want to say that I care about you! But you need to work on yourself! That is not easy. Nobody sais it is easy! You will receive the guidance and love you need if you step up and be honest!

Stefe.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

I think he is saying NH had an earlier aquaintance during the first couple of days of the trip — I think.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

crs
I think you blew the cover.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

Stefe - why have you gone psycho on mom, chill out.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

This is BS. I don’t believe that NH family or friends had anything to do with this! This is not what this case is about. Stop trying to throw us off track here. The MAIN SUSPECTS and CULPRITS in this case are the ones that are in jail right now. I don’t think we should let anyone take us away from that. We heard from Country Moon that Nat and Family are really good people, and I believe it! I truly do! You can tell by all the pictures. I still believe it is Joran and friends!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

rem - you may be right.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

Stefe:

What exactly is your purpose in this forum????

No one cares what the hell you are talking about. Please stay on topic or go back to pre-school.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:09 pm

A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:11 pm

Was the lover on the trip??


# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
You know it is exactly on topic.
Do what you feel is right.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

Sim -Surely your not saying a local MT brook boyfriend would be involved in this, would you.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:13 pm

A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:14 pm

Sim -I think your reaching


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:15 pm

How could a local MT boyfriend be involved. The FBI would have cracked this case already through phone records and the internet. I don’t believe this. This is yet ANOTHER rumor!


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

He had to be let go.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

Does seem a little far fetched.


# born 2 b wild on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

I love the cock fighting that goes on in this blog -complete w/razor blades attached to the spurs

We should take odds on the hour for the latest round

Right now we got Stefe in this corner and MOM from MO (the “show me MOM”) in that corner

p.s: checkme - check this


# Kristin on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

COUNTRY MOON:

Thank you for taking the time to come on and talk to us. We appreciate your time, even though we can’t imagine how hard this must be for you and your community-we do understand. We all have been pretty caught up in this case, it’s tearing everyone apart. People have been listening to the news, radio and checking online forums faithfully. We all want Natalee to be safe, and we all understand that there is more to the story. As typical Americans though, we don’t understand WHY we can’t hear the truth. We know that Mrs. Twitty is keeping it together for SOME reason other than the simple hope of Natalee being alive. She has to KNOW that she is alive. Any information that we hear is helpful…and just the fact that you say OUTLOUD that there is more to the story keeps us all hanging on. It is hard to try and justify what Natalee is really like, when we don’t know her and we hear all of the rumors. It would help us all to understand MORE if we knew if Natalee has dissapeared before. But as you said, you probably can’t answer that.
I figured I would give it a shot anyways, and if you still can’t answer, I respect that.
Do you believe that she is alive but in another country?


# sunny71 on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

Some insight from a local:
the coverage of this case is ridiculous, but I can understand the fixation on the ‘exoticness’ of this case, what with the weird Aruban laws and all.
Fact is, the police here has every interest in getting this thing resolved asap, if only because of the negative publicity.
The investigators screwed up in the beginning, because vdSloot Sr. is well known in those circles and they took Jr.’s story at face value at first. Understandable under the circumstances, but stupid in hindsight.
Jr. would have confessed a long time ago if he had done it. Interrogations by the local police are not a walk in the park for the suspects, as some of you might think. Aruban police knows a thing or two about pressuring a suspect.
My question is: did NH go back to her hotelroom and sneak out that night and are her roommates keeping mum about that? Just a thought.
I think Steve Croes and the Kalpoe’s should be the focus.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:17 pm

Good try Sim….I hope this story (rumor) breaks tonight. That will mean more air time for the Natalee Case!!!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:18 pm

Sim - again is this your theory or something more concrete?


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:19 pm

Hey Sim?

Didn’t you mention earlier that when you were ‘awaiting moderation’, that it occurred when you typed (the word for a place to gamble)???


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:20 pm

Kristin - Country seemed to discount that earlier that she had been kidnapped and was possibly on another island - she seemed to point the finger at Van Der Sloot.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:21 pm

Born 2 B Wild:

Now, don’t get excited. I’m not in any corner, cuz I don’t humor TROLLS for long.

Besides, I’ve already flushed him down the commode with the rest of his little ‘brown friends’.

***Whhhhaaaa-Shhhhhhhhhh***


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:22 pm

This is not my theory. This is for real.
[/b]

[finngirl]

Is there a chronological document of the shango/simian posts that also shows other posters responses to what they said? I have a feeling that Shango/Simian use their metaphors loosely on occasion. It would be interested to see in which posts they respond to other posters and in which posts they seem to reveal details about the case. For example in some posts Babylon seems to refer to dutch or holland where as in others it is very plausible that it refers to Babylon as coruption in general

yes, this is what I've said since June 2005

I'm sure the FP links have been posted before
but sorta tedious searching for them ...
which is why Lala's index will come in handy

(I'm working on my portion, Lala's, I really am, LOL.
will ship you some more very soon)

I've converted the FP links into tiny urls so as not to blow the margins

don't have a time log for simian posts as shango was my thing,
but AFAIK this is when shango posted/approximate time/aruba clock:

june 26th: 7am to 3:12pm
8 hours

june 27th: 8pm to 4am
8 hours

june 28th: 4am to 7pm
double shift
15 hours

june 29th: OFF

june 30th: 6pm to 7pm
1 hour

I never tracked the simian post links ...
sim began posting around june 17, yes?

the front page is sorta squirrelly as the threads run simultaneously.
ie: people could be posting in 2 different places at 10am on june 26

below are links to the Front Page posts
during the week of the quarry search when shango started posting
 
CheckMe & Shock the Monkey were also predicting big news
the day before the TES search just like sim was ...

you know when shango posted so you look at the articles
from somewhere around those dates/times to find shango's comments

98 comments/beginning june 25, 2005 @ 11:56pm
http://tinyurl.com/2pd79v
7:45am
22. What's the morning news Shock?

8:58am
42. Morning, all. Did the judge from Curacao make the flight to Aruba today?

9:11am
49. yes, judge is at courthouse I just heard. Satish's lawyer thinks Satish will be free today. Grrrrr

9:25am
56. Well it is morning so where is the news that Shock was talking about?


1001 comments/beginning june 26, 2005 @ 2:33pm
http://tinyurl.com/hyfw3
6:52am
71. bye for now folks...wish shocked monkey would come on...he/she had me so hopeful last night...that there would be answers...seems their theory is seriously challenged now

10:03pm
219. The alibi needs to be broken. The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.

The Babylonians knew what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive. The third act will [be] played soon, but the boy is not Ajax. He is too afraid to pull off such a feat.

11:23pm
361. Maybe last night's poster was given wrong information that the package from the Hague would be arriving this morning. Maybe it's arriving tomorrow instead. Perhaps the judge who "missed the plane" on Saturday was trying to delay the hearing until he or she could review this package. But it never came, and time required the hearing be held today without it.

some shango posts: 128-129-168-169-173-175-177
some simian posts: 170-203-219

221 comments/beginning june 27, 2005 @ 11:56am
http://tinyurl.com/hg2dk
12:28pm
26. Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting

743 comments/beginning june 27, 2005
http://tinyurl.com/gkqkz
9:41pm
68. One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letter which spell
XTC DNA

june 26/the night before the search, actually at 12:39am on june 27,
not long after midnight sim said:
"watch tomorrow but do not speak & it will all unfold before you"

the day of the search, june 27 at 12:08pm, sim says:
"They have found her. Watch your news stations for this one.
I said this was to happen. THEY FOUND HER BODY!!

3 minutes later sim says in spanish (& Ally translates)
"he said to keep watching the news,
and that he apologizes for the confusion,
but he is tired of people trying to impersonate him"

the search dogs "hit" in late morning/early afternoon.
until late night/midnight we were still waiting to hear official word
of what they may have found: nothing

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:12 pm
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 AM posting. If the cowboys do not find the loot today, it will not be found.

finally, after midnight, when nothing was "admitted" to be found & posters were seriously criticizing the codetalkers:

http://tinyurl.com/gkqkz
1:43am
623. The Simian has a handicap of 12

1:53am
635. The Simian says that The Simian only reports developments ahead of time. The Simian thinks what is going on is shameless. Playing with people's feelings.

[etc/etc, you know these posts well]

1:54am
637. So Shango is schizophrenic and his other personality is Simian. That is priceless you sick freak.

then sim/shango have their big catfight.
sim is really insulted by the criticism from the other posters

2:01am
648. The Simian is getting out. Knows Shango, knows Shock me, knows Checkme. Do not underestimate the power of the ping.

Shango is a dumb copycat. Maybe the Simian should place a call on you. Get you 8 days with a hole to take a dump in. Complementary peanut butter on stale bread for you, you fool.

The Simian is angry. Over and out.

6:56am
725. See, this is kind of ridiculous. We've got folks who say they are on the inside or at least close enough to understand what is going [on], they are arguing back and forth and "calling each other out". The above seems to say that Simian can ping Shock/Check and they all know each other. Simian could make a call and get Shango taken in to jail?

What a joke folks, screw this, if you know something F*cking do something besides act like children as you fight over clue supremacy. Knowing something and doing nothing, or not ending something you could help to, serves only to build your ego folks.

don't be discouraged ...
soon you'll be navigating thru the FP
like a well-oiled machine

[hotping]

Lala's... Isn't Lorenzo's alibi that He was home all night and never left....well if Natalee was TAKEN to His house then He WAS home all night so therefore He never left...Does that make sense....  

[finngirl]

Lala's... Isn't Lorenzo's alibi that He was home all night and never left....well if Natalee was TAKEN to His house then He WAS home all night so therefore He never left...Does that make sense....  

not Lala's, but yes ...

June 28th, 2005 12:28am shango says:
Not all lions leave their den

[katrien]

Klaassend, will you please take my last lost away? I posted accidently in the wrong subject.
I see also a few mistakes. I place the post in the other subject again.

Will you to that for me?

Thanks a lot and sorry for the trouble.

[Observer]

Klaassend, will you please take my last lost away? I posted accidently in the wrong subject.
I see also a few mistakes. I place the post in the other subject again.

Will you to that for me?

Thanks a lot and sorry for the trouble.

I erased your post but you posted some good info and I hope you post it in the main thread. From what I have heard Joran killed his Dog and tried to blame it on a friend. It was also reported by Peter R,and I believe Joran killed him with a paintball gun. Also there is much talk/rumors about Lorenzo killing dogs in june/july at RWV.

[klaasend]

Klaassend, will you please take my last lost away? I posted accidently in the wrong subject.
I see also a few mistakes. I place the post in the other subject again.

Will you to that for me?

Thanks a lot and sorry for the trouble.

I don't see anything in this thread so maybe ******* or San took care of it already.  If not let me know 

Edited to add:  Thanks *******!

[katrien]

Klaassend, will you please take my last lost away? I posted accidently in the wrong subject.
I see also a few mistakes. I place the post in the other subject again.

Will you to that for me?

Thanks a lot and sorry for the trouble.

I don't see anything in this thread so maybe ******* or San took care of it already.  If not let me know 

Edited to add:  Thanks *******!

The post is in the other subject now, but thanks anyway.

[Finbar]

So.

How does ag know Shango?

She is on Aruba and Shango is supposedly in FLA.

Shango would have to be from or lived on Aruba at one point in time.

How does ag have the "power of the ping"?

I would think that it would be extremely, extremely difficult for a poster to have the power to trace someone through an internet BB. A super hacker - maybe.

How can this be?

If one notices at the bottom right of each post, it states "Logged".
Click it and a window pops up -
"Your IP address is shown only to you and moderators. remember that this information is not identifying, and that most IPs change periodically.

You cannot see other member's IP addresses, and they cannot see yours."

So.

Did someone ever supply ag with the IP addy or location of Shango?

Shango knew when the Dopple was there because they had a common friend. Either a phone call, email or IM was sent when the mother came home. The mother was the Dopple. I do not believe that anyone was posting as a Dopple unless it was the mother. I believe that it was meant that the mother had simply arrived home.

So, how so, how the power of the ping?

I once knew a penguin that could ping.

Fin

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's... Isn't Lorenzo's alibi that He was home all night and never left....well if Natalee was TAKEN to His house then He WAS home all night so therefore He never left...Does that make sense....  

Certainly, it makes sense.  I have always maintained that the 5th suspect didn't have to leave to do his dirty work.  Maybe what the 5th suspect did was nothing more than "make arrangements" if you get m;y drift.

[Lala'sMom]

So.

How does ag know Shango?

She is on Aruba and Shango is supposedly in FLA.

Shango would have to be from or lived on Aruba at one point in time.

How does ag have the "power of the ping"?

I would think that it would be extremely, extremely difficult for a poster to have the power to trace someone through an internet BB. A super hacker - maybe.

How can this be?

If one notices at the bottom right of each post, it states "Logged".
Click it and a window pops up -
"Your IP address is shown only to you and moderators. remember that this information is not identifying, and that most IPs change periodically.

You cannot see other member's IP addresses, and they cannot see yours."

So.

Did someone ever supply ag with the IP addy or location of Shango?

Shango knew when the Dopple was there because they had a common friend. Either a phone call, email or IM was sent when the mother came home. The mother was the Dopple. I do not believe that anyone was posting as a Dopple unless it was the mother. I believe that it was meant that the mother had simply arrived home.

So, how so, how the power of the ping?

I once knew a penguin that could ping.

Fin

Only Mods and Admin can see other posters IP address.  I don't think I ever saw my own IP on the FP. 

[Lala'sMom]

Truthseeker pointed out to me that this video has shades of Shango in it....so I asked for the link...
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=UpxYEdXpjcw

[JE]

about the fifth suspect

http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html

....Er is wel een 5de verdachte gearresteerd vanmorgen om vijf over zes en de politie geeft alleen de initialen. Weet alleen dat de laatste letter een C. is. Waarom opeens die geheimzinnigheid?
We zullen het spoedig weten...

... a fifth suspect has been arrested this morning at five past six Police will only give initials. I only know the last letter is a C. Why the secrecy? we will know soon...

Rene van Nie is a dutch cinematographer/writer that lives on aruba

[JE]

about the fifth suspect

http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html

....Er is wel een 5de verdachte gearresteerd vanmorgen om vijf over zes en de politie geeft alleen de initialen. Weet alleen dat de laatste letter een C. is. Waarom opeens die geheimzinnigheid?
We zullen het spoedig weten...

... a fifth suspect has been arrested this morning at five past six Police will only give initials. I only know the last letter is a C. Why the secrecy? we will know soon...

Rene van Nie is a dutch cinematographer/writer that lives on aruba

DE JONGEN DIE ZE HEBBEN OPGEPAKT IS DJ OP EEN PARTYBOOT -DE TATTOO- EN ZIJN ACHTERNAAM IS CROES. 26 JAAR

The guy they arrested is a DJ on a party boat The Tattoo his last name is croes 26 years old

[JE]

about the fifth suspect

http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch2005.html

....Er is wel een 5de verdachte gearresteerd vanmorgen om vijf over zes en de politie geeft alleen de initialen. Weet alleen dat de laatste letter een C. is. Waarom opeens die geheimzinnigheid?
We zullen het spoedig weten...

... a fifth suspect has been arrested this morning at five past six Police will only give initials. I only know the last letter is a C. Why the secrecy? we will know soon...

Rene van Nie is a dutch cinematographer/writer that lives on aruba

DE JONGEN DIE ZE HEBBEN OPGEPAKT IS DJ OP EEN PARTYBOOT -DE TATTOO- EN ZIJN ACHTERNAAM IS CROES. 26 JAAR

The guy they arrested is a DJ on a party boat The Tattoo his last name is croes 26 years old

I am posting as i read this guys page sorry for quoting myself
Croes arrested on a friday at 06.05
PVDS arrested saturday questioned for 4 hours arrested again  the next thursday at 14.00

This guy has lots of info on his site almost on a day to day basis ill keep reading interesting

[JE]

From the friday after PVDS arrest

(Online translation)

Paul of of the ditch continue be stuck anyway 48 hours, then it is decided if that is extended with 8 days.
Its son Joran now admits that he has only remained that night behind with the little girl on the range of Marriot.
And that he has Natalee there left behind.
If that where how he has then at home come without car?

Moreover its father, a man who must and applies follow the rules of the law it finds absolutely no problem that its son on 17jarige age drives car - therefore it is not insured because he has no drivers licenses
and night-long can sit gamble in casinos where you years also 18 for must be.

Father assumes  therefore completely arrogantly that if  problems arise from his sons actions he will take care of them. I find that the man even if he didn't do anything should be removed from the island

Furthermore I have, however, trust in the Dutch commissioner Jan of of the streets. He is a man who does not love nonsense and certain not stupid is. He will close himself thus let impress by right v.d. Sloot "the judge"
Moreover there are staying at the v.d.Sloten house a man in a high position in the dutch OM.
That creates a very found oneself picture. This then again is arrogance of another justice man? Where that knakker nevertheless the bravados obtain from - some judges and other one occasional in this case - a type of above the law to put itself. They are there serve the citizen but those assholes frequently twist the affair for.
We on Aruba therefore everything must do the right to irrespective of which to apply. I count thereby on Jan v.d. straten.

[San]

I don't know if this link was posted on this thread but a kind monkey sent this to me and thought you would want to look/use it for reference:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

[Lala'sMom]

It is confusing since Steve Croes was the 4th person arrested according to U.S. media.  Right after his early morning arrest, there was someone else arrested.  Mum did extensive research on this and has it somewhere in this thread.  Let me see what I can find.

[Lala'sMom]

I don't know if this link was posted on this thread but a kind monkey sent this to me and thought you would want to look/use it for reference:

http://www.mcharvey.com/shango/shango.html

Thanks San. It is in here somewhere...LOL 

[Lala'sMom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/world/main702601.shtml


Shortly after this the forums and blogs began talking about another person arrested.  This is where Mum has been researching heavily on Freddy being that person.  I am sure she can find it faster than I can.