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« Reply #3280 on: March 10, 2008, 12:10:05 PM »

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:56 pm
Someone said last night that Dirty Hand was somebody in the police.

Shango on June 27th, 2005 11:13 pm
Lucy spoke at 10:56

watcher on June 30th, 2005 2:29 am
I think Subdude is on the right track about the media putting pressure on WHY the polis chief is leaving.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:31 am
Watcher opened a window looking onto babylon at 2:29.   He holds the key to the ONLY door which opens the door to the lions den.

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:04 am
Observe all communications from Shango and judge from their worth….DirtyHand is the the Keystone!The lamb is in ther fold, and the shivas.  Threadsurfers, if they cannot out a lamb to manger, how will they deal with lions?DirtyHand is the key and may leave soon to avoid   attention from the cowboys and the fort


Questions for the S/S fans:

Who was the first person to say publically that Natalee was no longer alive?

Who retired...leaving Aruba?

Who was in charge of the investigation at the beginning?

My answer:
Jan Van Der Straten





According to what I originally read Babilu opened the window to Babylon and left his post at 12:01 or around that time.  Babilu means a a master of ceremonies of musician type.
Where did this word "watcher" come from?  To leave a post usually means some kind of duty or post exists to leave.  A duty on a ship or LE?  jack b


Watcher was a poster on the FP.
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« Reply #3281 on: March 10, 2008, 01:32:18 PM »

Here are a few of the conversations that happened on the FP just before Simian appeared.  As you can see, Checkme was already posting.  They are discussing the 4th and 5th person arrested.  It is confused already by this time.  The media in USA seemed to be saying Steve Croes was arrested first and then the 5th person...notice then that both are reversed according to Checkme.


Story from FP of Scared Monkeys: June 17th, 2005
9:14am **** UPDATE ****
4th arrest made in Natalee Holloway case

9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, americaninaruba …

    today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning…surprised the family with this arrest….we got different information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you…..we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we will be back with info if this person has information for this case…also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive…..stay pending…..thank you harry

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At 9:50 am: MSNBC & Fox have just reported the arrest of a fourth suspect. A 27 year old man.
It has been confirmed by Fox speaking to individual in Justice department 4th arrest 26 year old friend of joran

Fox News now reporting: Sources: 4th Person Arrested in Aruba Mystery

    Authorities in Aruba arrested a fourth man in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway, sources told FOX News.

    The new person detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot — who was with Holloway the night she disappeared, sources said. Van der Sloot, 17, has been detained but not charged.

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Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was know for having underground parties.

This is getting a little bizarre.

From the AP: Fourth Person Detained in Holloway Disappearance

11:00 am:

    ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A fourth person has been detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, authorities announced Friday.
    The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender or say when the person was detained.

According to Top 95 via American in Aruba

The arrest this morning was of a 26 year old. There wwere 2 dutch brothers questioned yesterday may have provided some information that led to this arrest. Also , a family friend of Joran Van Der Sloot was on the radio saying the Joran was a quiet nice boy who liked to go out with friends. The station is holding out hope publicly on the radio that she may be alive.

Let us hope and pray.






#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm

Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s.


# Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:27 pm

I was thinking last night, and I may be reaching a bit. What type of equipment do archiologist use to locate skeletal remains of dinosaurs? Some type of machine that sends echo waves into the earth to determine if there’s something there. I am not quite sure how this equipment works, but that may be something they could use to see if she may have been burried.


# Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm

Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)


# Jeff Dowder on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm

Those Kalpoe guys look like those people who work at 7-11’s or indian restaurants.







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« Reply #3282 on: March 10, 2008, 02:28:09 PM »

many teepees crushed......

Arawaks often go to play in the small houses of babylon with the offspring of the elders......

elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles......

all who enter the damned corridors know the dangers that await......

DirtyHand knows who provided escort........

http://msxml.excite.com/info.xcite/clickit/search?r_aid=EB5C6C961C10496492B182DC32EDCB40&r_eop=2&r_sacop=2&r_spf=0&r_cop=main-title&r_snpp=2&r_spp=0&qqn=Tz%2B9SP%24z&r_coid=372368&rawto=http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080310/us_nm/newyork_spitzer_dc_1
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« Reply #3283 on: March 10, 2008, 02:29:32 PM »

could bubba be next......??????
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« Reply #3284 on: March 10, 2008, 03:08:29 PM »

could bubba be next......??????


Who is Bubba? LOL
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« Reply #3285 on: March 10, 2008, 03:17:03 PM »

October Surprise......Spitzer's get out of jail card
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« Reply #3286 on: March 10, 2008, 03:25:08 PM »


Simian's arrival in context...he/she does not post again until June 22.




#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 5:01 pm

We are listening to the local radio reports from the Aruba courts.


# cancon on June 17th, 2005 5:03 pm

my take on the human trafficking angle, i still say that people in tha line of business would not be foolish enough to take a middle class American girl unless they planned to get her off the island asap, in which case they are watching all this and continuing to move her, unless this is a real amateur operation

most of these slime bags grab girls that they know won’t be missed or have parents that are poor and don’t have the resources to go after them,
# cancon on June 17th, 2005 5:05 pm

why are the brothers moving, I suspect the Aruba jail is getting very crowded now, Mrs. H said more arrests are coming……..

i mean they had a missing persons case and an armed robbery all in similar time frame


# BhamNativeGirl on June 17th, 2005 5:06 pm

BhamNative Girl: are you as boring and do nothing as you seem?

- Probably. Don’t have anything good for you to sink your teeth in, just here observing as well…


# Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm

Checkme:
Is Steve Croes the same guy with the famous loud truck?
Thanks


# blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm

FYI - I never said FBI. My brother is an ICE (Immigration Customs Enforcement) Agent presently stationed in Curacao (no not the ones that greet you at the airport either). He works with many of the Latin American and Island Governments in concert with the FBI and DEA. I think you can figure out why he is there. Is that enough to satisfy the skeptics?


# MAD-DOG on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm

ASHLEY
I AM FROM MOUNTAIN BROOK…SORRY I HAVE BEEN OFF LINE FOR A WHILE


# Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:08 pm

Why would anybody take this girl for the purpose of Sex Slavery? If you look up where Aruba is you will notice our proximity to South America. A lot of pretty girls and a lot of poverty. Why take an North American girl and sell her in Colombia?

People don’t just dissappear. And if Amy Bradley was the last girl to dissappear in Aruba and Natalee after 7 years, I would say that these human traffickers really suck. By the way

This thing will be solved.

Maybe after this all the North Americans bashing Aruba here should focus on Chondra Levy. Nobody knows what happened to her and it’s been awhile. Maybe you can start a “Boycott Central Park” on-line petition.


# Brianna on June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm

Bham Native Girl - so am I - what part are you from?


# blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:10 pm

Simian -

They found Levy’s remains FYI.
# Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:11 pm

CGI-Common Gateway Interface. I think it means traffic jam, because of the amount of visitors at one time.


# Jeff Dowder on June 17th, 2005 5:11 pm

Pretzel boy…..you remind of that kid in sixth grade who always had his hands in his pants and proceeded to smell his fingers. You’re sick !


# Canadian Girl on June 17th, 2005 5:11 pm

Blogger

I believe you about your relative, but do you know for sure whether Natalie is Alive or not?


# Gargantua on June 17th, 2005 5:12 pm

Simian- Everybody knows Gary C. had her killed


# Brianna on June 17th, 2005 5:12 pm

Lucy, thanks…now it’s not a complete mystery. These guys are getting huge with this website.


# DFW Guy on June 17th, 2005 5:12 pm

Blogger, do you think that it is possible that she is alive?


# scottie on June 17th, 2005 5:13 pm

One thing I haven’t seen the media pick up on, was what a friend of Natalee’s said in an interview on O’Reilly the other night.

He was at Carlos and Charlies that night with her, and asked her if she was alright.

You don’t ask someone if they’re ok in a bar, unless you’re concerned they’re not.

He said he saw Natalee and Joran together dancing in the club, and saw them leave together.

He was trying to be protective of her in the interview, claiming they were all ‘drinking responsibly’, but let’s be real here.

On another matter, what happened to the reported finding of panties, condoms and duct tape? Were the panties confirmed as not being Natalee’s? Certainly, her mother could verify whether they were her size or if she had even purchased them for her daughter.


# Checkme on June 17th, 2005 5:14 pm

Lucy,
So you have been paying real attention… No, this is not the same guy. Info on him is still not out yet, at least not officially.


# mostlyalurker on June 17th, 2005 5:16 pm

Chandra Levy disappeared in DC’s Rock Creek Park, not NYC’s Central Park.

The bad news with Croes is that with more people involved, anything might have happened (with just Joran and the Kalpoes, it might have just been 4 drunks and a misunderstanding gone bad). With other conspirators, it is chillingly evil.

The good news is that the more conspirators, the more likely it is to unravel.


# concerned4natalee on June 17th, 2005 5:16 pm

scottie:
it was confirmed that those items were NOT linked to natalee on the dan abrams report yesterday


# DFW Guy on June 17th, 2005 5:17 pm

The more complicated this gets, the more I think she might just be alive.


# blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:18 pm

Canadian Girl/DFW Guy -

As said in previous post, he can not confirm whether she is alive or not but that investigation is coming together much more rapidly now. Some newer info will be coming in the next few hours - thats all I have for now. I am awaiting for email update (which he sends me through a secure/anonymous email site fro obvious reasons)


# Canadian Girl on June 17th, 2005 5:19 pm

I read earlier on here that JVDS father was allowed to see him but that his lawyer could not see him for the next 8 days because he was questioning witnesses which apparently is not allowed. Very strange laws over there. Anyone know if this is true??? Nothing on Fox or CNN about this.


# Mecha-Godzilla on June 17th, 2005 5:19 pm

DFW….good point, Natalee’s mom had an optimistic air about her the other day when she was being interviewed


# Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:20 pm

Checkme
Yes, I have been paying attention. Also noticed that Billy is missing. I think he went to Haiti and the Dominican Republic. (Joking)



# Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:20 pm

They found them…do you know what happened? Condit has been cleared…


#  DFW Guy on June 17th, 2005 5:21 pm

One thing is for sure. If she is alive, the book and movie deals will have her set for life.


# concerned4natalee on June 17th, 2005 5:21 pm

what is the absolute latest news- anybosy know links, or can tell me?


# Checkme on June 17th, 2005 5:22 pm

Blogger info,
Tell me, if this brother of yours is so high up in a pretty confidential organization, how come you talk about this on this form?


# Simian on June 17th, 2005 5:23 pm

By the way, they found Levy’s remains a full year after she went missing. In a place where they did search numerous times.

Give the authorities a chance.

Maybe this girl doesn’t want to be found.


# Canadian Girl on June 17th, 2005 5:23 pm

Blogger …

Ok I will give you the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what happens before judging you. I hope you are right and by some miracle she is still alive.


# HannieC on June 17th, 2005 5:25 pm

Hi mecha,
lees me een ongeluk kan t allemaal nauwlijks bijhouden meer. Maar ja ik zit ook vastgeplakt op me stoel voor nieuws. Woon je eigenlijk in Nederland of op de antillen?


# Brianna on June 17th, 2005 5:26 pm

um….boy those foreign languages would come in handy right about now….se dice que?


# Mecha-Godzilla on June 17th, 2005 5:28 pm

Ik woon in Amerika, al since 1984, maar mijn ouders wonen op Aruba dus het is voor hun wel spannend.


# concerned4natalee on June 17th, 2005 5:29 pm

any news blogger????


# eagle on June 17th, 2005 5:29 pm

blogger info - what the heck does FBI level mean? Some other government agency? I’m not buying your story.


# concerned4natalee on June 17th, 2005 5:30 pm

please don’t turn this into a dutch blog……. i can’t read it, thanx


# concerned4natalee on June 17th, 2005 5:31 pm

DFW: that’s for sure (book deals)


# Brianna on June 17th, 2005 5:31 pm

concerned, I second that.


# Canadian Girl on June 17th, 2005 5:32 pm

Does anyone know anything about this tickle.com website??? I read that all four of these guys have or had (before someone took them down) profiles on this site?? Someone suggested that Natalie had made contact with JVDS before she got there. Anyone know if this has been checked out??


# blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:32 pm

Checkme -

Never said pretty confidential - said high up in law enforcement (FBI Level) for those not from the US and who might be unfamiliar with ICE.

I dont think I have given away the store here. Just trying to pass on what I know in the most discreet manner possible. Will pass on any more new I get.


# HannieC on June 17th, 2005 5:33 pm

Sorry Brianna,

I said in dutch ; ” That there`s so much to read I can`t hardly keep up ” Wink

Ok mecha vandaar dat je zo goed engels spreekt Smile


# blogger info on June 17th, 2005 5:33 pm

eagle -

See previous posts. FBI Level for those unfamiliar with ICE.



# Mecha-Godzilla on June 17th, 2005 5:34 pm

Eagle..En Espanol se quires? En Frances si’l vous plait. Come on give it up and show your love….this tragedy transcends all languages and cultures. I’t like an ever changing kaleidoscope of moods and colors!!??


# claire on June 17th, 2005 5:36 pm

canadian girl-yes you can find copies of all those on the geocities site http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/


# nagpur on June 17th, 2005 5:36 pm

The diskjockey just selled the drugs to JvdS to drug Natalee and she got an overdose and went in a coma, so Deepak thought that after some time she would wake up and they would lose her at the beach or a crackhouse. So they hid her body at a friends house, but she didn’t make it, so they all wrapped her body up in a black plastic bag, filled with stones and disposed her body in the Carribean Sea. That’s my theory.


# claire on June 17th, 2005 5:37 pm

might have to re-link “geo” and cities for it to work


# Florida Girl on June 17th, 2005 5:37 pm

@ Canadian Girl

All of the boys involved had tickle sites:

Joran, Satish, Deepak, Steve Crose, and even Valentijn (Joran’s brother). I posted the links earlier but for some reason the post said (awaiting moderation), so I guess it never went through. All of the tickle sites were still active as of an hour ago except Jorans.

Does anyone know why the moderator would block that?


# TLC on June 17th, 2005 5:39 pm

Blogger

Do you then share the idea that, the parents may have some inkling of what is really going on, based on what some senator they know said. I now believe this is all very much more than we are all thinking.

BTW if you’re janking our chains, remember Curacao is 15min by plane and island ppl talk eventually.


# Canadian Girl on June 17th, 2005 5:39 pm

I just heard on Fox that JVDS father was given permission to see his son…they were interviewing a Judge who implyed that this is a special priveledge that usually would not be allowed until after charges are laid.


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« Reply #3287 on: March 10, 2008, 05:34:31 PM »


Story from FP of Scared Monkeys: June 17th, 2005
9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, americaninaruba …

today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning.....also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of Joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

so, Steve Croes' father is prominent businessman AND high in the judiciary?

fin: is this where you got "high in the judiciary"?

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Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was known for having underground parties.
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Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s.

saying that Croes is friend of JvdS and LvR is friend of K2 ...
ass backward according to what we know/think

but ... even if linkage is mistakenly reversed,
quite interesting that friendships were acknowledged/had been discovered
between Joran/LvR and Steve Croes/K2

because those particular relationships
have been denied since day one, by all involved


Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm
Checkme: Is Steve Croes the same guy with the famous loud truck? Thanks

is she referring to LvR's "earthquake" van ... outfitted w/ deluxe sound system?

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 5:14 pm
Lucy, So you have been paying real attention… No, this is not the same guy. Info on him is still not out yet, at least not officially.

nagpur on June 17th, 2005 5:36 pm
The diskjockey just selled the drugs to JvdS to drug Natalee and she got an overdose and went in a coma, so Deepak thought that after some time she would wake up and they would lose her at the beach or a crackhouse. So they hid her body at a friends house, but she didn’t make it, so they all wrapped her body up in a black plastic bag, filled with stones and disposed her body in the Carribean Sea. That’s my theory.

interesting theory, interesting details:
Croes the DJ as source of drugs that night,
Deepak right smack in the middle of the event,
black plastic bag/stones


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« Reply #3288 on: March 10, 2008, 06:35:58 PM »

interseting comment on

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/44196-anyone-else-following-natalee-holloway-case-6.html


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Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba Suspect's Father Released
Sunday, June 26, 2005

FOX NEWS

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — An Aruban judge on Sunday freed the father of a Dutch teen arrested in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway (search), the man's wife said — hours after the judge ordered a party boat disc jockey held in the case released.

clevfan,
Did your sources tell you that the judge and the father are golf buddies?


could this be related to simian's having a handicap of 12 comment?
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« Reply #3289 on: March 10, 2008, 07:10:36 PM »

Yes, the Steve Croes and LVR stories are intertwined only because the media on Aruba wasn't playing straight with the rest of the world.  That is why we still have no idea who is the 4th and 5th and in what order they actually were arrested or if LVR is even involved.  To me, a person that needs an alibi is a SUSPECT not a witness.  I have never seen witnesses need alibis, but then again it is Aruba.  Although Steve Croes did not have to provide an alibi..he was an alibi....then Freddy had an alibi in those two girls and of course there is Lorenzo...seems a guy names Max provided his alibi...so then since Steve Croes only provided an alibi for the 3 perps... does that make Steve Croes an arrested witness?  Yep.  I just confused myself. Gosh!! Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #3290 on: March 10, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »

interseting comment on

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/44196-anyone-else-following-natalee-holloway-case-6.html


Quote:
Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba Suspect's Father Released
Sunday, June 26, 2005

FOX NEWS

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — An Aruban judge on Sunday freed the father of a Dutch teen arrested in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway (search), the man's wife said — hours after the judge ordered a party boat disc jockey held in the case released.

clevfan,
Did your sources tell you that the judge and the father are golf buddies?


could this be related to simian's having a handicap of 12 comment?
I wonder also if this is what was meant by the 5th suspect walked with the elder..Steve Croes and PVDS walked from jail at the same time.  Just a Thought!
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« Reply #3291 on: March 10, 2008, 07:27:50 PM »

if by the fifth suspect we mean the fifth person arrested in relation to the case it would be PVDS
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« Reply #3292 on: March 10, 2008, 07:43:56 PM »

interseting comment on

http://www.majorwager.com/forums/mess-hall/44196-anyone-else-following-natalee-holloway-case-6.html


Quote:
Originally posted by: clevfan
Aruba Suspect's Father Released
Sunday, June 26, 2005

FOX NEWS

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — An Aruban judge on Sunday freed the father of a Dutch teen arrested in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway (search), the man's wife said — hours after the judge ordered a party boat disc jockey held in the case released.

clevfan,
Did your sources tell you that the judge and the father are golf buddies?


could this be related to simian's having a handicap of 12 comment?
I wonder also if this is what was meant by the 5th suspect walked with the elder..Steve Croes and PVDS walked from jail at the same time.  Just a Thought!

per Shango, DirtyHand walked with the fallen elder

per Simian:
Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Posted Jun 24, 10:45 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

I believe that the word 'suspect' refers to the technical declaration by ALE

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« Reply #3293 on: March 10, 2008, 07:44:34 PM »

per Shango, DirtyHand walked with the fallen elder

SGC walked hours earlier
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« Reply #3294 on: March 10, 2008, 07:48:19 PM »

per CNN, and so perhaps officially PVDS was the 5th

per Simian, if the 5th is DirtyHand, then the Babylonian Card was tossed from the table, crushed under Sumerian Feat

feat:  as in "judicial feat" (fee'-aht)

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« Reply #3295 on: March 10, 2008, 07:57:31 PM »

per Shango, DirtyHand walked with the fallen elder

SGC walked hours earlier

but, IIRC:

PvdS and Steve-O were ordered released the same day/sunday

Paulus walked out that day ...
Croes spent one more night and walked out early on monday

which I always wondered about:
why the extra night if he was free to leave?

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« Reply #3296 on: March 10, 2008, 08:16:10 PM »

Yes, the Steve Croes and LVR stories are intertwined only because the media on Aruba wasn't playing straight with the rest of the world. 

yes ... and how does that intertwining of facts reflect on CheckMe? it seemed like he was one of the insiders, so was he mis-directing as well or was he not as inside as he appeared to be? it matters, IMO, since sim included CheckMe on the list of those "known" to sim, along w/ shock and shango

That is why we still have no idea who is the 4th and 5th and in what order they actually were arrested or if LVR is even involved. 

involved enough to have searches conducted, yes? surely that indicates something

late august 2005
Dan in Tx: My Aruban contact tells me LVR's mom's house in Savaneta was NOT searched along with the other house and his boat and car, and furthermore has not been searched even to this day. This person tells me polis want very badly to search the Savaneta 'ranch house' that I believe belongs to his mom but aren't allowed near it as it is 'not in the scope of the search'. Can you verify or refute this please?

Peeps: That's right Dan. Other note: That's the best I can provide you guys. Use your photoshop skills to better the pic.

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« Reply #3297 on: March 10, 2008, 08:34:31 PM »

also intertwined:

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
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Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 8:27 pm
DirtyHand and the fallen judge may not be crucified
the gods are talking

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:05 pm
DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:51 pm
DirtyHand walks with the Babylons, the Arawaks and is consort to the fallen elder
The gods are talking

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.
The lamb is a scapegoat.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:18 pm
DirtyHand does not play with the lions
but he has entered the maze
the lamb is a scapegoat
DirtyHand knows
So does the Elder

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pm
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
Follow the music,
the lions are not tame
DirtyHand knows,
so does the elder

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

Threadsurfers, DirtyHand is more vulnerable than the Arawak King and your lances should point in his direction.

He is the weak link, if he tumbles, all fall with him….. The lamb, the shivas, the elder

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle
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« Reply #3298 on: March 10, 2008, 08:38:55 PM »

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 2:50 pm
This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty. (note the card game-not blackjack!)
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak (while you really are not), you still have DirtyHand.
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« Reply #3299 on: March 10, 2008, 09:27:24 PM »

This is the order as per Dr Phil documents and ALE officially, I presume….Where is that bag of salt?

Notice Joran’s does NOT say ‘first statement’ and there is that 'response to request' again!

Name: Joran van der Sloot
Date: 9 June 2005 / 12:00
Pages. 15
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs & Luigi Croes
Description: transcript of interrogation as a suspect
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25

Name: Deepak Kalpoe
Date: 9 June 2005 / 15:30
Pages: 10
Writer/Initiator: Johny Erasmus & Clyde Burke
Description: first statement of D.S. Kalpoe as a suspect
Responsive to Request 25

Name: Steve Croes
Date: 17 June 2005 / 07:40
Pages: 4
Writer/Initiator. Dennis Jacobs/Luigi Croes
Description: suspect interrogation
Responsive to Request 41

Name: Paulus van der Sloot
Date: 23 June 2005 / 14:30
Pages: 13
Writer/Initiator: Roland Tromp
Description: transcript of interrogation
Responsive to Request 41

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Simian June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm

Checkme…check this…and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

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He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.
Posted Jun 22, 5:55 PM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The first guy she met has all the motive. The second guy is scared shitless in a cell.
I have heard from Americans living in Aruba and and they think something completely different.
Posted Jun 22, 6:01 PM

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Lucy you are wrong. It was just a simple party at his house. He was “the whole time”.
Posted Jun 22, 6:04 PM

JMO…This is not Paulus van der Sloot

Four choices, IMO…
Guido
Freddy
Lorenzo
GVC
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