SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Lala’s…Freddy is supposed to be Venezeulan and Jaime Columbian….I think I’ll broaden my search!

Thruthseeker…this from Joran’s book…the bolded part tells me that Freddy was questioned before June 9th. 2005…


P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him.
D: Freddy knows
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
S: He didn't do a thing.

And what did Freddy say that got the Kalpoes arrested?  Hmmmmm.

And when did he say it?

I'm beginning to think Freddy is one of those suspects that get preferential treatment and slipped out the back door when they are released!

[JE]

Lala’s…Freddy is supposed to be Venezeulan and Jaime Columbian….I think I’ll broaden my search!

Thruthseeker…this from Joran’s book…the bolded part tells me that Freddy was questioned before June 9th. 2005…


P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him.
D: Freddy knows
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
S: He didn't do a thing.

And what did Freddy say that got the Kalpoes arrested?  Hmmmmm.

Maybe this could have something to do with it:

Joran: Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable. I must also state that I had talked to Freddy and my parents about the fact that Deepak could have gone back to the girl. Freddy also said that if Deepak indeed went back to the girl that I was in big trouble because I was the last person seen with the girl. Freddy had told me that to be safe I should record a conversation between Deepak, Satish and myself.

[Lala'sMom]

But he wasn't arrested until the 22nd or 23rd.

Was Freddy ever arrested?

Not until late August 2005 when the Kalpoes were re-arrested according to ALE...On charges unrelated to Natalee Holloway.....

Where is that bag of salt?

My point exactly!!!  Paulus was not arrested until the day Simian began the 5th suspect talk. Simian indicates that the 5th suspect has already been cleared.   It's long, but it's in context...



crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

Sim - Right now we hear Joran has changed his story again - what do your hear?


#  ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:29 pm

JON—-Ok I kinda figured something like that and I know you have heard several stories from allot ppl who were on the trip that is if you were’nt, but did anyone say y they didnt stop her? Or is it that no one saw her go in the car period?

# frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:30 pm

Wild stories. Things must be different in Aruba. In the US this would have already been leaked to the media.

We are all over speculating. An arrogant 17 year old kid is not that savy. A 26 year old DJ does not have a lot of credability either. If either of them had the kind of contacts necessary to pull of a human smuggling plot they would all already dead. It took the police over a week to arrest, trust me the mastermind behind something like that would have made sure there were no weak links. Like a mouthy 17 year old kid.

Here is the kicker though. Even in the simplest and most likely theory that something went wrong and they dumped the body. These kids would 100% leave obvious clues. They are not criminal masterminds. I am sure that the FBI knows what to look for immediately. Simple things, that even intelligent people like an Aruban judge would overlook.

The 26 year DJ puzzles me simply becuase of how he fits in and why…If I was dropped off by my friends and committed this crime alone. I would not tell or bring in a soul. I would figure this out on my own. You can never count on anybody not to talk. That is why serial killers do not traditionally have partners.

Even if this kid had an accident, maybe went skinny dippping and NH did not resurface. He should fry. He should fry for holding out and having a cavalier attitude.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:30 pm

Vanessa - either that or he has told all he knows.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:31 pm

I tried to, but I got a message saying that my post would bo placed in through the moderator. I tried again and got the same message. Maybe I am not allowed to say what I know.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:32 pm

You mean he has been talking for the past 3 weeks, and NOW he decides to shut up? What a jerk. Obviously since Nat has not been found, he hasn’t given much concrete info to begin with. Why shut up now Joran. I mean have you even given authorities a clue on where Nat might be? Why stop talking now.

give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


# CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 4:32 pm

I second all that Jon has said. Stop the rediculous rumors. Nat is a great girl. She has no reason to want to run away.
I never implied anything *******.
We second what Jon has said, we just want her to come home safe so that this whole nightmare can finally be over. Its interrupted everyones life and its very hard to deal with all of this. I think that is the main reason why we have come and read these polls, we want answers just like everyone else. Any little bit helps.



# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:33 pm

Sim - say it in another language and we’ll translate.


# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:34 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
Don’t you have any job or obligation to fulfill?

Or are you the one sponsored by Bin Laden….



# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:36 pm

We have to know that “Montana” (house where Joran and family lives) is really part of “Noord”. I reported yesterday that there was something going on. It was the parents finally meeting each other. Aruba is working.



# Red on June 22nd, 2005 4:36 pm

Just a heads up …

according to CNN, Scared Monkeys is supposed to be featured on “Inside the Blogs” today at 4:50 - 4:55 pm.

Thanks


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:37 pm

Checkme - any new tidbits you can provide today? Do you still think what we talked about yesterday to be true?



# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:38 pm

CountryMoon - I think the best thing Nat’s family has done is to keep this story in the spotlight!!! My advice to you and her family is to try and keep it in the front page of every newspaper, and on the news in every state/country. I think with enough publicity Nat will come home! KEEP THE MEDIA involved. Even if what they say are rumors and nothing is a fact, it keeps the story in the news!!!! That is what’s important. GOD BLESS NATALEE!



# frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:39 pm

Also, if there is more than one party involved. Somebody needs to explain to this kid that he is about to ass-raped for a very longtime. How long depends on who cracks first…

How is that for drama. Just like Law and Order


# Mark 2 on June 22nd, 2005 4:40 pm

I don’t know Natalee, but I don’t see any way that Natalee would run away and put her mother through such grief. The pictures they show of them together indicate they have a pretty close bond. Unless she is an absolute cook, which she doesn’t seem to be, there is no way she would put her mother through this.



# pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:41 pm

jake….that is true. even if her parents have to leave. they need to be on tv or newspapers everyday to keep this going.

checkme—you were spot on yesterday.


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

Country Moon do u believe she was drugged also?


# frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

and either way, wether this punk thinks he can be free in 120 days or whatever the law is. If I was NH family and this does not come to a close by then. I would make sure he is silienced for good. One way or another.

Just make sure they hire someone that will torture the little punk first. Everyone is talks tough until you cut a finger off.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:42 pm

**Stefe McHearthy Says:

June 22nd, 2005 at 4:34 pm
@ MOFOfromMO
Don’t you have any job or obligation to fulfill?

Or are you the one sponsored by Bin Laden….**

You are a LOSER. And I don’t need a reject trying to be my daddy, when I already have a wonderful one.

Don’t YOU have a life, other than attempting to cast insults on people obviously better than you are?

Good grief! You are pathetic!!! No wonder some animals eat their young!



# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm

June 16, 2005 08:26 AM on RiehlWorldView:

“I have always loved Aruba for it’s multi cultural society. Even to see how under extreme stress we can still see each others humanity gives me hope. On this island the distances are very short so you cannot remain distant and judge coldly. “



# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:43 pm

Is Simian gone??


# pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:44 pm

do you think it odd that not only do we mainly hear about joran, not the brothers. but also that steve croes is a friend of the brothers, not so much joran. i think there is something going on in regards to the brothers. there is no spotlight on them right now.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:45 pm

I hope they find her. The gov’t and the private sector should give the whole island the day off to go wave her goodbye at the Airport.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm

Do you guys believe that Simien tried to send us a message and got placed in a “moderator”????? Do you think he’s for real? Or are his walls padded? Or maybe he needs a nap?


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:46 pm

pktbk I totally agree, b/c they were the first ones sent to the big Prison not Joran, so y him and not them.


# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

You got it pktbk.

CRS, all still stands dude.


# CountryMoon on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

If those three boys want everyone to believe that they did to her what they had claimed in their first, second, and third version of their stories, when they were trying to smear her name, then given her character she would have had to of be drugged. I am not saying that she was though. There are different interpretations on how she looked when she left that night. Every one was just so busy having a good time, and the idea of something bad actually happening was the farthest from everyones minds. I can not really comment further on that.


# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
Thanks for confirming!



# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:47 pm

what was up with Checkme’s last post. Checkme, give me something today - you are always right on.



# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

I am here. Can’t say the things I want…



# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:48 pm

Thanks checkme!!



# Checkme on June 22nd, 2005 4:49 pm

Sorry CRS, gotta go.



# frank on June 22nd, 2005 4:49 pm

We only hear from Joran because he is the weakest. The other 2 do not have as much to loose.



# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

Tom/Red - can you elaborate at all on Simian?



# pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

*mouth wide open*

all i can think is what came from an aruban poster in regards to them not really liking the dutch or other minorities. so scapegoat the two black security guards, and scapegoat the rich dutch boy….



# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

Jake to Simian: Oopsey…I think Simian’s back. Maybe he could answer about the ‘padded walls’. :O



# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
And now comes the true hard part:
Put down that bottle!
I realize it is very hard but give it a try. There are people who care about you!!


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:50 pm

Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.



# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:52 pm

WO!



# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm

Sim can you elaborate anymore than that? Is this your opinion or based on something mre concrete?



# pktbk on June 22nd, 2005 4:53 pm

wow…..we’ve made more progress in the last five minutes than all week!!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 4:54 pm

pktbk - sim is contradicting what checkme says. Thoughts?


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm

pktbk— where did u hear that they didnt like black or the dutch kid, b/c they seemed to hang out with him more than once.



# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:55 pm

What did CheckMe say?



# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:56 pm

The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.[/b]


#  MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm

Stefe:

****yawn****

You’re boring me.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:57 pm

Sim - what is the other side of the pond? Is it a place, or is it an organization?



# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 4:58 pm

wat alibi does the 5ht suspect have??


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

Who is the 5th suspect? There are now 4. Who is the 5th?


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 4:59 pm

“the other side of the pond” - the Aruban Mafia


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:00 pm

The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

The other side of pond I assume is the us and you are insinuting it is her friends/family involved.


# ladyJA on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

whose boyfriend earlier in the week??????


# Trisher on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

Huh Simian?


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:02 pm

What boyfriend? Whose? I am confused Sim.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

This is getting really bizarre. Who’s boyfriend from earlier in the week?


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?


#  MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

Simian:
Boyfriend from earlier? Can you elaborate??

Thanx!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:03 pm

Sim - i am totally lost on what you are saying.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

SImian
Is #5 Van Rijn????????



# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:04 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
And I want to say that I care about you! But you need to work on yourself! That is not easy. Nobody sais it is easy! You will receive the guidance and love you need if you step up and be honest!

Stefe.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

I think he is saying NH had an earlier aquaintance during the first couple of days of the trip — I think.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

crs
I think you blew the cover.


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:06 pm

Stefe - why have you gone psycho on mom, chill out.


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

This is BS. I don’t believe that NH family or friends had anything to do with this! This is not what this case is about. Stop trying to throw us off track here. The MAIN SUSPECTS and CULPRITS in this case are the ones that are in jail right now. I don’t think we should let anyone take us away from that. We heard from Country Moon that Nat and Family are really good people, and I believe it! I truly do! You can tell by all the pictures. I still believe it is Joran and friends!


# crs on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

rem - you may be right.


# MOMfromMO on June 22nd, 2005 5:07 pm

Stefe:

What exactly is your purpose in this forum????

No one cares what the hell you are talking about. Please stay on topic or go back to pre-school.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:09 pm

A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.


# Lucy on June 22nd, 2005 5:11 pm

Was the lover on the trip??


# Stefe McHearthy on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

@ MOFOfromMO
You know it is exactly on topic.
Do what you feel is right.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:12 pm

Sim -Surely your not saying a local MT brook boyfriend would be involved in this, would you.


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:13 pm

A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.


# rem05 on June 22nd, 2005 5:14 pm

Sim -I think your reaching


# Jake on June 22nd, 2005 5:15 pm

How could a local MT boyfriend be involved. The FBI would have cracked this case already through phone records and the internet. I don’t believe this. This is yet ANOTHER rumor!


# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 5:16 pm

He had to be let go.

[Lala'sMom]

Quote from JE:

Maybe this could have something to do with it:

Joran: Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable. I must also state that I had talked to Freddy and my parents about the fact that Deepak could have gone back to the girl. Freddy also said that if Deepak indeed went back to the girl that I was in big trouble because I was the last person seen with the girl. Freddy had told me that to be safe I should record a conversation between Deepak, Satish and myself.

For Freddy to have said something that got Deepak and Satish arrested it would need to be on the record, right?  So Freddy gave a statement prior to their arrest and it wasn't an alibi like Steve Croes.  So if they arrested Steve because he DID alibi the Kalpoes...why would they not have arrested Freddy for what he said?   I guess the important thing is what time did Freddy say whatever it was that got them arrested?  That has to be on the record somewhere...in all the jumble of information.  I wish I could find it. 

[JE]

Quote from JE:

Maybe this could have something to do with it:

Joran: Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable. I must also state that I had talked to Freddy and my parents about the fact that Deepak could have gone back to the girl. Freddy also said that if Deepak indeed went back to the girl that I was in big trouble because I was the last person seen with the girl. Freddy had told me that to be safe I should record a conversation between Deepak, Satish and myself.

For Freddy to have said something that got Deepak and Satish arrested it would need to be on the record, right?  So Freddy gave a statement prior to their arrest and it wasn't an alibi like Steve Croes.  So if they arrested Steve because he DID alibi the Kalpoes...why would they not have arrested Freddy for what he said?   I guess the important thing is what time did Freddy say whatever it was that got them arrested?  That has to be on the record somewhere...in all the jumble of information.  I wish I could find it. 

So do I lol

another shot, from freddy's june 12 PV:

After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and he didn't drop of the missing girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them had driven to the beach north of the Mariott Hotel. The girl fell multiple times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point the girl didn't recover anymore and that they had left her on the beach. He also told that he left his sport shoes on the beach. After Joran told me this I asked him why he had left her behind. He answered me that he didn't knew what to do at that moment. Joran told me that after that he was
dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.
On friday evening June 3 I met Joran at his home. [...] He told me that during this period he could not remember if they bought food or did something else.

Maybe he told the police that all four of em were at the beach? just guessing here

In your post before this one there was this comment by simian:

# Simian on June 22nd, 2005 4:31 pm

I tried to, but I got a message saying that my post would bo placed in through the moderator. I tried again and got the same message. Maybe I am not allowed to say what I know.

I read that whole page and i believe he is refering to typing the word "casino". apparently when typing the word casino in a post you got a message saying "your post is awaiting moderation""

He later typed this as C@$ino in his post about meeting a wild and crazy guy in the C@$ino

[JE]

The whole C@$ino discussion is on this page

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/21/beth-twitty-and-the-van-der-sloots-meet/

[JE]

Lala's do you know on what date Simian started posting?
Earliest I found was june 17th 2005

[JE]

interesting posts

Checkme on June 16th, 2005 5:41 pm

There was a pic online showing a house in Savaneta, where Karin Jansen was at the door, and the guy who loves there is a known drug dealer. (He drives around in a souped-up grafiti truck (after he crashed his brand new audi TT 2 years ago). In the same scene as the Kalpoes. Where did they get the money to drive that grey car?) I hear a persistent mention of this fourth person on the local radio. Dealing drugs requires a network ring. Sources (savaneta), distributions (Kalpoes) and fronts (van der Sloot, with or without his knowing).


Checkme on June 17th, 2005 9:17 am

Savaneta is on the east side of Aruba. This morning’s local newpaper reports a person being detained at Saveta. I have seen pics of this person’s house in savaneta on the net, on the day they arrested the three.

[JE]

one more

Checkme on June 16th, 2005 5:30 pm

He would have a one hour walk, after he disposed of the body? I think the Kalpoes continued NH, hurt her, called in help (from a fourth person (savaneta!!!)). There is another evil soul involved and it is not the van der Sloot’s.

[Destiny]

Lala’s…Freddy is supposed to be Venezeulan and Jaime Columbian….I think I’ll broaden my search!



Thruthseeker…this from Joran’s book…the bolded part tells me that Freddy was questioned before June 9th. 2005…

Destiny plays with words...my own translations...in red...

P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
He knows more that we thought...
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
Man we're getting screwed over...HE knows the rules of the *game*
S: Anyway, bad luck.
Yes, but what's done is done...
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
I really thought he could be trusted...man this is bad...
S: Yes.
So did I...we're in deep shit now...
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
He's talking too much...we're really screwed...he shouldn't have said any of that.
S: What did he say?
How much do you think he's told?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
Just enough to keep his ass out of bad trouble...Freddy knows what VDS really did...he knows it...you know he told Freddy everything...he's changing the story too...
S: I know he knows truth
So Freddy know everything now?
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
Yes...I think he knows everthing...VDS told him everything...shit!
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him
I'm telling you Dude...we're in bad trouble.... ask Freddy if you don't believe me..
D: Freddy knows
Shit!
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
Freddy just thinks he knows everything I know...but he doesn't...
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
If Steve gets arrested...he'll be found out (found out=solved) then everything will be found out...
S: He didn't do a thing.
He doesn't know about Steve...

[jackb]

Lala's do you know on what date Simian started posting?
Earliest I found was june 17th 2005
[/quote  I believe GVC WAS arrested April 15 or 16 of 06.  I was not at home earlier and did not have access to my outside storage, but I looked an arrest date up on here.  The arrest of GVC was reported by Maryanne Croes I believe on 17 April, but I kept thinking he was arrested about the 15 or 16th.   Jack Blue

[Destiny]

interesting posts

Checkme on June 16th, 2005 5:41 pm

There was a pic online showing a house in Savaneta, where Karin Jansen was at the door, and the guy who loves there is a known drug dealer. (He drives around in a souped-up grafiti truck (after he crashed his brand new audi TT 2 years ago). In the same scene as the Kalpoes. Where did they get the money to drive that grey car?) I hear a persistent mention of this fourth person on the local radio. Dealing drugs requires a network ring. Sources (savaneta), distributions (Kalpoes) and fronts (van der Sloot, with or without his knowing).


Checkme on June 17th, 2005 9:17 am

Savaneta is on the east side of Aruba. This morning’s local newpaper reports a person being detained at Saveta. I have seen pics of this person’s house in savaneta on the net, on the day they arrested the three.

Lorenzo's home...and Urine's half brother via Papa Sloot...

[JE]

Lala’s…Freddy is supposed to be Venezeulan and Jaime Columbian….I think I’ll broaden my search!



Thruthseeker…this from Joran’s book…the bolded part tells me that Freddy was questioned before June 9th. 2005…

Destiny plays with words...my own translations...in red...

P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
He knows more that we thought...
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
Man we're getting screwed over...HE knows the rules of the *game*
S: Anyway, bad luck.
Yes, but what's done is done...
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
I really thought he could be trusted...man this is bad...
S: Yes.
So did I...we're in deep shit now...
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
He's talking too much...we're really screwed...he shouldn't have said any of that.
S: What did he say?
How much do you think he's told?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
Just enough to keep his ass out of bad trouble...Freddy knows what VDS really did...he knows it...you know he told Freddy everything...he's changing the story too...
S: I know he knows truth
So Freddy know everything now?
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
Yes...I think he knows everthing...VDS told him everything...shit!
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him
I'm telling you Dude...we're in bad trouble.... ask Freddy if you don't believe me..
D: Freddy knows
Shit!
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
Freddy just thinks he knows everything I know...but he doesn't...
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
If Steve gets arrested...he'll be found out (found out=solved) then everything will be found out...
S: He didn't do a thing.
He doesn't know about Steve...

Who is "that person"?

[jackb]

Lala’s…Freddy is supposed to be Venezeulan and Jaime Columbian….I think I’ll broaden my search!

Thruthseeker…this from Joran’s book…the bolded part tells me that Freddy was questioned before June 9th. 2005…


P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him.
D: Freddy knows
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
S: He didn't do a thing.

And what did Freddy say that got the Kalpoes arrested?  Hmmmmm.

And when did he say it?

I'm beginning to think Freddy is one of those suspects that get preferential treatment and slipped out the back door when they are released!

 

The Cromvroits said GVC was home with them.  How tight is that?  He was arrested April 2006,  I messed up earlier.   jack b

[MumInOhio]

LOL…At Destiny…here is the whole thing….

JE…THAT PERSON…I wonder that every time I read it and forget to ask!...Thanks!

P179-181

Wednesday June 22, 2005

While being transferred from police station to KIA, Deepak and Satish are secretly recorded in a 40min conversation:

D: I'm not going outside much (in prison), since they're asking too much
shit.
S: When you stay on your own, you'll start to think too much, so don't stay
on your own. Talk to people. Play domino.
D: I've told them that they should arrest Freddy as well.
S: The three of us have been arrested, but he just knows the truth.
D: I've told them to arrest Koen and Sander as well. f***ing all of them.
From me, they won't get any hint, as long as the truth keeps hanging. None
of them are friends, except for us. Do you get it? Do I get it? (<- this is
a Dutch saying when " something doesn't make sense")
S: I have nothing, there is nothing, nothing from me and I didn't do
anything.
D: I'm not afraid of that shit
S: I'm not afraid. I don't worry.
D: I want them to get ("find") the girl, so, but preferably alive. But
anyway, if they'll find her dead, yeh, then that's bad luck for the family.
But when they find her, they'll know exactly who did it. That's what I all
learned from (???). I want them to get her. I know (???)
S: I know where I am. I am close to the truth. I'm always close to the
truth.
D: I'm not afraid. I do miss mum and all those things. That bores me.
S: Yes.
D: Not that I'm afraid. The worst has already happened. I've already come to
the worst place, so nothing worse than this can happen, do you understand?
But I know, that when I get outside (be released) then they are going to pay
me very well.
D: I'm not afraid. It also depends on that f***ing statement. Yeh, since
there's one (or a) person who changes his story every time. That (person)
has made already six statements, I guess. But they are all pure shit (???)
and I'm still in it (here).
S: (???)
D: You push (???)
S: And by let give to let go (???)
D: It is impossible, swa. When you start that car the whole neighborhood
will hear it.
S: Anyway, he seems to know everything better.
D: He knows our rule, we trust him as a friend, like a brother to be close
with (???)
S: Anyway, bad luck.
D: And I also trusted Freddy like a brother.
S: Yes.
D: But he also talked shit, that's why we've been arrested.
S: What did he say?
D: He keeps information behind. You know that Van der Sloot trusts Freddy
with his life. Freddy knows what has happened. Freddy knows the truth.
S: I know he knows truth
D: Freddy knows, Freddy knows.
S: I've just said, Freddy also knows about the story of what happened, ask
him.
D: Freddy knows
S: Yes, he knows that if that person maybe has told him some details (???)
that I don't know, but I also know what that person has told me. That is the
first and the story that we made up, that I know (???)
D: That boy is also arrested, no. Steve. He has been solved too, so then
it's solved too (???)
S: He didn't do a thing.
D: It has been solved.
(.)
D: Up till today, I haven't told any shit about him, whether he did
something with the girl or that the chick.
S: We've only told the truth
D: Yep, because he hasn't told me anything and I don't know it. I'm not
gonna lie about him. But the more he talks (??????) I would never never
never talk shit about him like: "he did do this or that to the girl",
because I don't know.
S: Must just declare the truth
D: I'll never do that. But let him talk shit. I'll never say something
against or about (???) him. Never, just tell the truth. And that's also what
I've always declared in my statements. His attorney will point that out to
himself. I'll never (falsely) accuse somebody.

[JE]

Maybe Kalpoes only thought freddy was responsable for them being arrested?

This would be a good reason

[jackb]

Here are a few of the conversations that happened on the FP just before Simian appeared.  As you can see, Checkme was already posting.  They are discussing the 4th and 5th person arrested.  It is confused already by this time.  The media in USA seemed to be saying Steve Croes was arrested first and then the 5th person...notice then that both are reversed according to Checkme.


Story from FP of Scared Monkeys: June 17th, 2005
9:14am **** UPDATE ****
4th arrest made in Natalee Holloway case

9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, americaninaruba …

    today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning…surprised the family with this arrest….we got different information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you…..we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we will be back with info if this person has information for this case…also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive…..stay pending…..thank you harry

****
At 9:50 am: MSNBC & Fox have just reported the arrest of a fourth suspect. A 27 year old man.
It has been confirmed by Fox speaking to individual in Justice department 4th arrest 26 year old friend of joran

Fox News now reporting: Sources: 4th Person Arrested in Aruba Mystery

    Authorities in Aruba arrested a fourth man in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway, sources told FOX News.

    The new person detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot — who was with Holloway the night she disappeared, sources said. Van der Sloot, 17, has been detained but not charged.

****
Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was know for having underground parties.

This is getting a little bizarre.

From the AP: Fourth Person Detained in Holloway Disappearance

11:00 am:

    ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) - A fourth person has been detained in Aruba in the disappearance of Alabama teen Natalee Holloway, authorities announced Friday.
    The person “suspected of being involved” in Holloway’s disappearance was identified by the attorney general’s office only as a 26-year-old with the initials S.G.C. The office did not disclose the gender or say when the person was detained.

According to Top 95 via American in Aruba

The arrest this morning was of a 26 year old. There wwere 2 dutch brothers questioned yesterday may have provided some information that led to this arrest. Also , a family friend of Joran Van Der Sloot was on the radio saying the Joran was a quiet nice boy who liked to go out with friends. The station is holding out hope publicly on the radio that she may be alive.

Let us hope and pray.





#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm

Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s.


# Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:27 pm

I was thinking last night, and I may be reaching a bit. What type of equipment do archiologist use to locate skeletal remains of dinosaurs? Some type of machine that sends echo waves into the earth to determine if there’s something there. I am not quite sure how this equipment works, but that may be something they could use to see if she may have been burried.


# Connie on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm

Oh, thanks Check, then it is possible that the guy I was this morning was “Freddy” from the pics. I know initials were given, but right off hand I can’t remember what they were. and I’m too lazy to scroll up to see what it was. (lol)


# Jeff Dowder on June 17th, 2005 1:29 pm

Those Kalpoe guys look like those people who work at 7-11’s or indian restaurants.

    The suspects that were called suspects involved with the kidnapping, battering and murder are the ones who went to jail.  The rest are witnesses to information, etc.  Guido and GVC were arrested one month apart the best I can remember and GVC would be no. 5 counting not arresting the Sec. guards.  If the guards were counted it would fall back on Joran.  There is a list on this forum that says the arrests and how and when they were arrested.  That wimp GVC was right in the middle of it and he was NOT home as his parents claim.  That is most likely why the videos disappeared from the casinos, as his dad owns the security business that videos the place.  They lawyered him up so quick and hid him that no one would dare question him again.  They are protecting GVC more than Joran.   Jack b

[MumInOhio]

Lala's do you know on what date Simian started posting?
Earliest I found was june 17th 2005

This was the first on the SM front page…June 17th. IIRC – 2posts and not again until the 22nd.

jackb...there is alot to back up your GVC theory...I just can't put my hands on it right now.

[Destiny]

Mum....we all need a good laugh at times...as usual...I'm good for a few of them....LOL....Thanks for reposting with all the quotes....I think I should have remembered the whole thing for as many times as I've read it...LOL at myself....*don't get old...it sucks!* should be in my sig line....

Mum scribbled..

LOL…At Destiny…here is the whole thing….

[JE]

Lala's do you know on what date Simian started posting?
Earliest I found was june 17th 2005

This was the first on the SM front page…June 17th. IIRC – 2posts and not again until the 22nd.

jackb...there is alot to back up your GVC theory...I just can't put my hands on it right now.

Thx