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« Reply #3380 on: March 12, 2008, 08:39:21 PM »

His lordship is there to preserve babylon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA
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« Reply #3381 on: March 12, 2008, 08:55:53 PM »

"Kristen"
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2008/0312084kristen1.html

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« Reply #3382 on: March 12, 2008, 08:59:22 PM »

His lordship is there to preserve babylon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA


Not buying it, Columbo.  His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type.  His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty.  He let's Dirty Hand do that.
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« Reply #3383 on: March 12, 2008, 09:06:55 PM »

I have a question for all those who have worked so hard to decipher the Simian posts.  If we feel pretty confident the Simian's info came from ALE should we trust anything he/she posted that wasn't verified by the press releases?  I mean, I never felt like ALE was very upfront about anything.  Would it make sense for someone connected to ALE to give out this kind of info when everyone knew about the blogs and ALE could read them as well?

I'm just asking because at one point this thing about the fifth suspect would seem to be about whoever ALE wanted to be guilty, but could never prove it.  After that they went on to arrest many others that were never held for very long.  If ALE was seriously trying to prove that the "5th" suspect was guilty they didn't seem to be doing much to keep him locked up.

Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but this thought has been nagging at me for a while now.


Very good point! I don't think anyone trusts what Simian/Merian/Shango/Shock/Checkme or any of the others say completely.  In fact, we should look at a lot of others posts that were made in those first few weeks.  There are some posters that had some pretty good info but didn't have the cool names or spoke in cryptic riddles. 

One reason I would like to know who the 5th suspect actually is would be to deteremine what real worth Simian's posts are...they could all be a bunch of nothing.  If you trust what Checkme said (another Aruban poster) Simian knew nothing of importance.  One thing I would point out, Simian made every effort to distance Joran from the crime.  He only comes close to saying anything negative when he poses as Merian and even then if you read it over and over you can see Merian seemed to change attitudes as if there was a doppleganger Merian also.  So it's mainly what ever you want to think...or speculate...but you are correct...Simian did not implicate Joran...and neither does Shango.  That is why another person comes into play here...not just the 3 perps...there is more involvement...either from someone we can't discover....or...Paulus is just as...if not more...guilty than Joran of what happened to Natalee.
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« Reply #3384 on: March 12, 2008, 09:08:18 PM »

His lordship is there to preserve babylon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA


Not buying it, Columbo.  His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type.  His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty.  He let's Dirty Hand do that.

more like the type in the post before pesci?
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« Reply #3385 on: March 12, 2008, 09:10:18 PM »

I have a question for all those who have worked so hard to decipher the Simian posts.  If we feel pretty confident the Simian's info came from ALE should we trust anything he/she posted that wasn't verified by the press releases?  I mean, I never felt like ALE was very upfront about anything.  Would it make sense for someone connected to ALE to give out this kind of info when everyone knew about the blogs and ALE could read them as well?

I'm just asking because at one point this thing about the fifth suspect would seem to be about whoever ALE wanted to be guilty, but could never prove it.  After that they went on to arrest many others that were never held for very long.  If ALE was seriously trying to prove that the "5th" suspect was guilty they didn't seem to be doing much to keep him locked up.

Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but this thought has been nagging at me for a while now.


Very good point! I don't think anyone trusts what Simian/Merian/Shango/Shock/Checkme or any of the others say completely.  In fact, we should look at a lot of others posts that were made in those first few weeks.  There are some posters that had some pretty good info but didn't have the cool names or spoke in cryptic riddles. 

One reason I would like to know who the 5th suspect actually is would be to deteremine what real worth Simian's posts are...they could all be a bunch of nothing.  If you trust what Checkme said (another Aruban poster) Simian knew nothing of importance.  One thing I would point out, Simian made every effort to distance Joran from the crime.  He only comes close to saying anything negative when he poses as Merian and even then if you read it over and over you can see Merian seemed to change attitudes as if there was a doppleganger Merian also.  So it's mainly what ever you want to think...or speculate...but you are correct...Simian did not implicate Joran...and neither does Shango.  That is why another person comes into play here...not just the 3 perps...there is more involvement...either from someone we can't discover....or...Paulus is just as...if not more...guilty than Joran of what happened to Natalee.

alot of the singing beetles transcripts had things in the S/S quatrains......5th suspect was in the headlines the following news cycle.....I'm sure others could add to that
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« Reply #3386 on: March 12, 2008, 09:12:01 PM »

TS2:

this is how babylon is preserved:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ
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« Reply #3387 on: March 12, 2008, 09:13:03 PM »

So who is his lordship?  Depends on what you think babylon means...if you think it means gamblers...as Simian said...then it is different answer from what it would be if babylon means the Dutch...so who is it? Anyone want to venture a guess....by offering a name?
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« Reply #3388 on: March 12, 2008, 09:19:19 PM »

second article:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/index.php?s=posner+video

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand!
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« Reply #3389 on: March 12, 2008, 09:22:46 PM »

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Simain thinks that Babalú is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.
The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew the girl.
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« Reply #3390 on: March 12, 2008, 10:51:13 PM »

His lordship is there to preserve babylon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA


Not buying it, Columbo.  His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type.  His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty.  He let's Dirty Hand do that.

more like the type in the post before pesci?

Maybe. 

His Lordship, I believe, is in a government position.
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« Reply #3391 on: March 12, 2008, 11:10:50 PM »

I have a question for all those who have worked so hard to decipher the Simian posts.  If we feel pretty confident the Simian's info came from ALE should we trust anything he/she posted that wasn't verified by the press releases?  LOL, we all gotta decide that for ourselves, depending on the circumstances. some verifications may have happened behind the scenes/never reaching the press/media. example: sim's post re an argument between JvdS/K2 ... "you made me lie" etc ... was verified much later when the polis van transcript was released. the post date matched the date of convo. if transcript had never been released we wouldn't have had verification ... therefore the truth of the post would've remained behind the scenes. I mean, I never felt like ALE was very upfront about anything.  Would it make sense for someone connected to ALE to give out this kind of info when everyone knew about the blogs and ALE could read them as well? perhaps sim was over-confident re being out-ed ... or over-estimated depth of her altitude below the radar

I'm just asking because at one point this thing about the fifth suspect would seem to be about whoever ALE wanted to be guilty, but could never prove it. could also be "whoever ALE knew to be guilty, but could never (or chose not to) prove it." After that they went on to arrest many others that were never held for very long.  If ALE was seriously trying to prove that the "5th" suspect was guilty they didn't seem to be doing much to keep him locked up. I'd bet on fair amount of ALE in-fighting ... surely, not every single officer/top-to-bottom was happy w/ investigation

Sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone, but this thought has been nagging at me for a while now. not to worry, all inquiries welcome here, right Lala's?
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« Reply #3392 on: March 12, 2008, 11:18:29 PM »

His lordship is there to preserve babylon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--dpn34WoxA


Not buying it, Columbo.  His Lordship ain't no Joe Pesci type.  His Lordship does not get his own hands dirty.  He let's Dirty Hand do that.

more like the type in the post before pesci?

Maybe. 

His Lordship, I believe, is in a government position.


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« Reply #3393 on: March 12, 2008, 11:42:23 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4430010&page=1

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

All along the gamblers knew who he was. (George Fox #9?)

 

Sounds like dirtyhand knew who provided the ride after the Kalpoes left.  They know, they just will not make a case against the guilty.  They have known since the first few days she was dead and what happened for the most part, but will not make a case.  The US needs to make a case for them.   Jack b
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« Reply #3394 on: March 12, 2008, 11:49:54 PM »

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4430010&page=1

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

All along the gamblers knew who he was. (George Fox #9?)

 

Sounds like dirtyhand knew who provided the ride after the Kalpoes left.  They know, they just will not make a case against the guilty.  They have known since the first few days she was dead and what happened for the most part, but will not make a case.  The US needs to make a case for them. There was more than one white guy who became escorts after the K2 left.  Escort sounds rather formal.  Police escoort?  Beach Security escort?  I think so.    Jack b 


 

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« Reply #3395 on: March 13, 2008, 02:50:04 AM »


Babylon is defined as a city of sin.  So could his lordship be Posner, or his boss?

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« Reply #3396 on: March 13, 2008, 10:17:26 AM »

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4430010&page=1

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

All that the gamblers knew was written down. They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

All along the gamblers knew who he was. (George Fox #9?)

 

Sounds like dirtyhand knew who provided the ride after the Kalpoes left.  They know, they just will not make a case against the guilty.  They have known since the first few days she was dead and what happened for the most part, but will not make a case.  The US needs to make a case for them.   Jack b

JB:

Interesting notion.....in which scenario is the "escort" not doing its job? When they are providing security for an official who is breaking the law-or when they are standing down?

A sacrifice will be made to spare the polis........
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« Reply #3397 on: March 13, 2008, 11:07:42 AM »

I just found this in my notes

Is there any chance van der Stratten is Shango?

Posted by: ustt | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:08 AM

You can't be serious.
My God, the man is a 75 year old grandfather, and believe me, poetry is not his thing. His wife is a wonderful
artist, though, and his daughter-in-law writes children's books.

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« Reply #3398 on: March 13, 2008, 11:29:45 AM »

I just found this in my notes

Is there any chance van der Stratten is Shango?

Posted by: ustt | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:08 AM

You can't be serious.
My God, the man is a 75 year old grandfather, and believe me, poetry is not his thing. His wife is a wonderful
artist, though, and his daughter-in-law writes children's books.

Posted by: Scubajap | Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 12:13 AM


Why would Scubajap not know that van der Straten was an artist also?  She knew about his family...how could she have missed that little detail?
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« Reply #3399 on: March 13, 2008, 12:51:54 PM »

So who is his lordship?  Depends on what you think babylon means...if you think it means gamblers...as Simian said...then it is different answer from what it would be if babylon means the Dutch...so who is it? Anyone want to venture a guess....by offering a name?

Well in fitting with my interpretation of what Babylon means i would venture to say his lordship might be Oduber?
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