SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Finbar]

Yes. I remember a long time ago I researched trias and could not find anything.

But the three branches of government sounds plausible.

Someone here posted the fact that the three branches of government involved themselves in this case was a major faux pas.

Fin

[finngirl]

Yes. I remember a long time ago I researched trias and could not find anything.

fin:100s / finn:1

ooh, look out, I'm gaining on ya, LOL

[COLOMBO]

trio:


The Arawaks keep the singing card     (4-DirtyHand)
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough    (1+2=3)
His lordships presence guarantees a trio  (not 4)




The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….
[judicial feat]

[MumInOhio]

No Wampum for AHATA…LOL

AHATA Elects A New Board
 Business      December 13th, 2007

Palm Beach – A new Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association board was elected during the recent AHATA General Assembly, held at the Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino.

The new officers of the board were elected from a slate of candidates presented by a nominating committee headed by General Manager Paul Gielen, Renaissance Aruba Resort, and independent consultant Jaap Beaujon.
The election process was overseen by Dr. Ryan Peterson of the Universidad di Aruba.

The new board of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association consists of the following eight members: Rick Zeolla, General Manager, Marriott Aruba Resort; Eduardo De Veer, Developer, Meta Corp; Scott Allen, General Manager, Hyatt Regency; Guillermo Valencia, General Manager Holiday Inn Sunspree Resort; Gary Jutz, General Manager, Radisson Aruba Resort & Casino; Matt Balcik, General Manager, Westin Aruba Resort; Peter Steinmetz, Director, Aruba Airport Authority; David Smith, VP Public Relations, Valero Aruba Refinery.

Two board candidates, Joe Najjar, General Manager, La Cabana Beach & Racquet Club and Andres Pichardo, Senior VP Sales and Marketing, Occidental Grand Aruba, remained available in case of seat vacancy on the board and were invited to attend all meetings effective immediately.
Rob Smith, President and CEO of the Aruba Hotel & Tourism Association reports the new board will conduct its first meeting this week, with hotelier Ewald Biemans, Bucuti Beach Resort & Tara Suites, as Chairman of the Board.

AHATA and GRETA ON THE RECORD….

Judge:  Mr Zeolla, I would remind you that you are under oath, the esteemed Attorney has asked if you have any personal connection to any of the former suspects in the Natalee Holloway case or their families?

Zeolla:  Well, just a little, Your Lordship.

My wife and I were babysitting one of the younger ditches while his mother was out of the country and while his father was gambling in the casino on the night before Ms Holloway disappeared. And, and my wife is PTA President at ISA where all of our children have and are attending school….that is a private school in Aruba, partially funded by the State Department and The Netherlands Government…and…and…Mrs. Ditch is employed as a teacher there…and…they, the ditches, are members of the IFA, that is the International Friends of Aruba, as are my wife and I, so we do meet socially, as well as our kids knowing each other…and they do sleepover at times…as I said Your Lordship…just a little connection to …..

 

[JE]

@ mum

@ caps been reading your posts from a while back about the surinam connection
if you juggle with the letters in sumerian you get suriname not sure if it helps though LOL

[COLOMBO]

the foundations will shake even harder if Arawak DirtyHand is revealed

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

There was a meeting on june 28th between Croes, Donner(dutch justice minister) and Pechtold(dutch minister of kingdom relations) in curacao. During this meeting croes asked the dutch ministers for assistance in rectifying the aruban image that was painted in the US media. The bad image was harming arubas tourist industry. (wampum)
This would also tie in nicely to the trio comment in the post

I still think that a judge fits "his lordship" best but....

can't figure out what either Croes or the judge that let PVDS and SGC walk have to do with this one....?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

 

Odie (Oduber) is the Minister of Justice.  That seems to fit.  He went to Holland for some reason or other and I do not believe he was really on vacation.    Odie smoozes as much as he can with the Queen.  If not a judge then the Minister of Justice might have a title known as "his lordship" he uses when trying to look official and not smoozing with the locals. jack blue

Boy did I mess that up.  Odie is PM and Croes MOJ.  Anyway Croes is the one who went to Holland too, I believe.  I saw Odie with the queen in a pic.  He must mean something to the royals to put up with his sorriness.  Jack b

[jackb]

So we have Posner or Oduber...see why this is so hard to pin down? LOL

 

Where was Odie born.  He may not be an Aruban.  He may be a dark Dutch.  He is the minister of Justice.  j/b
[/quoteMJ.  Got a case of the DAs.  jack

[jackb]

So we have Posner or Oduber...see why this is so hard to pin down? LOL

 

Where was Odie born.  He may not be an Aruban.  He may be a dark Dutch.  He is the minister of Justice.  j/b
[/quoteMJ.  Got a case of the DAs.  jack

  Odie is Prime M and Croes Minister of J.  Still got a case of the DAs.  Jack

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Security videos??  From the Wyndham...owned by Riverol?  just thinking....

 

I seem to get that Shango is saying frome the pain a new era in governance will start.
Something good will eventually be gained from all of this.  Perhaps an outing of the crooks and oppressors.  That goes to show great things are accomplished by those for whom it was meant to be.  NH will have accomplished great things even in her death.  Eventually  those waters that have been bittered by the dutch and their filthiness will emerge and be cleansed by this new river.  Jack b

[jackb]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Security videos??  From the Wyndham...owned by Riverol?  just thinking....

 

I seem to get that Shango is saying frome the pain a new era in governance will start.
Something good will eventually be gained from all of this.  Perhaps an outing of the crooks and oppressors.  That goes to show great things are accomplished by those for whom it was meant to be.  NH will have accomplished great things even in her death.  Eventually  those waters that have been bittered by the dutch and their filthiness will emerge and be cleansed by this new river.  Jack b

These videos are under control of the Beach Security owned by Geoffrey van cromvroits father who is not allowing them to be seen to protect Geoffrey????  Posner took his azz and ran to Chicago.  He has his copies and is probably not as good as the Cromvroits with the security videos and the manipulation of them.  Cromvroits daughter, as well, worked at the PD and could have seen her baby brother in some big azzed trouble and between she, cromvroit, Vanderstratten and Palus changed what they needed changing and have been covering ever since.  Vanderstratten and Cromvroit would protect their jobs and livlihood.  cromvroit would never be able to operate security again if his son was involved with a murder and it was to be found out.  Especially him working as Patrol, having keys and business security access.  It comes down to those three and Jacobs who is lazy and would kiss Vanderfstrattens behind if it meant he could skate until retirement.  Yes, those cops were destroying evidence as fast as people found it and turned it in.  By now I am beginning to get pissed at our State Department for not protecting the integrity of our citizens' rights., etc.  This country should pressure them and demand her be found and the rats dealth with.  Our country needs to stand up for her citizens and if she does not, then WE NEED To know why not.  Who is standing in the way.  Perhaps they are getting some Aruban spin off of perks.  This stuff has got to stop.  Jack Blue

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers (open windows......MS Windows?)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:37 am
Yliana and Subdude have both opened windows which look into the heart of babylon
do not stray from your paths (house with the path, but not of gold)
you hold the key in hand

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:28 am
Not all lions leave their den

[texasmom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

There was a meeting on june 28th between Croes, Donner(dutch justice minister) and Pechtold(dutch minister of kingdom relations) in curacao. During this meeting croes asked the dutch ministers for assistance in rectifying the aruban image that was painted in the US media. The bad image was harming arubas tourist industry. (wampum)
This would also tie in nicely to the trio comment in the post

I still think that a judge fits "his lordship" best but....

can't figure out what either Croes or the judge that let PVDS and SGC walk have to do with this one....?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio  (DirtyHand kept hidden)
The key to edens door did not exist     

My first thought was stick to the three involved, so who is his lordship, judge or croes?
just thought i should mention the trio on the 28th
do you think his lordship is a judge?

Sumerian feat (fi'-at) may be Dutch law.....used to make DirtyHand disappear.....sparing polis (comps) and preserving babylon

The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks

his lordship (IMO)= Posner

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/speeches/wit/ccj_Role_in%20business_040206_wit.pdf

In reading the above article I thought of the discussion here.  On page 3 Judge Justice Jacob Wit refers to the three major legal systems that have their representatives in the courts; the common law, the civil law, and the international law....
   

[texasmom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

Security videos??  From the Wyndham...owned by Riverol?  just thinking....

 

I seem to get that Shango is saying frome the pain a new era in governance will start.
Something good will eventually be gained from all of this.  Perhaps an outing of the crooks and oppressors.  That goes to show great things are accomplished by those for whom it was meant to be.  NH will have accomplished great things even in her death.  Eventually  those waters that have been bittered by the dutch and their filthiness will emerge and be cleansed by this new river.  Jack b

These videos are under control of the Beach Security owned by Geoffrey van cromvroits father who is not allowing them to be seen to protect Geoffrey????  Posner took his azz and ran to Chicago.  He has his copies and is probably not as good as the Cromvroits with the security videos and the manipulation of them.  Cromvroits daughter, as well, worked at the PD and could have seen her baby brother in some big azzed trouble and between she, cromvroit, Vanderstratten and Palus changed what they needed changing and have been covering ever since.  Vanderstratten and Cromvroit would protect their jobs and livlihood.  cromvroit would never be able to operate security again if his son was involved with a murder and it was to be found out.  Especially him working as Patrol, having keys and business security access.  It comes down to those three and Jacobs who is lazy and would kiss Vanderfstrattens behind if it meant he could skate until retirement.  Yes, those cops were destroying evidence as fast as people found it and turned it in.  By now I am beginning to get pissed at our State Department for not protecting the integrity of our citizens' rights., etc.  This country should pressure them and demand her be found and the rats dealth with.  Our country needs to stand up for her citizens and if she does not, then WE NEED To know why not.  Who is standing in the way.  Perhaps they are getting some Aruban spin off of perks.  This stuff has got to stop.  Jack Blue

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html
The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit

Snip:
Mr. Justice Wit was appointed by Her Majesty Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands as Deputy Judge of the Rotterdam District Court in January 1984, Judge of the Rotterdam District Court in March 1985 and Judge of the Joint Court of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba on 1 October 1988. This Court consists of two Courts of First Instance (Netherlands Antilles, Aruba) and a Court of Appeal. Resident in Curaçao since 1986, from then to the present, Mr. Justice Wit has presided over or sat in the Court of Appeal, but mainly presided in the Courts of First Instan­ce over a wide range of cases, involving: civil law (contract, tort, property, succession), commercial and admiralty law, insurance, bankruptcy and (cross border) insolvency, company law and intellectual property, criminal law (serious crime, government corruption, international fraud, money laundering), military law, administrative law, constitutional law and international human rights law.

Snip:
Off the Bench, Mr. Justice Wit has served as Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Nether­lands Antilles' Prisons and Houses of Detention (1987-1991); Chairman of the Board of Discipline for Medical Doctors (1992-1995); President of the Military Court of the Nether­lands Antilles (1992-present); Chairman of the Judicial Working Groups on (a) Videoconfe­ren­cing in Court and (b) Code of Ethics for the Judiciary (2003-present); and Chairman of the Committee of Supervision of the Securi­ty Servi­ce of Aruba (2004-present). He has also been a member of the National Committee On Revising the Codes of Crimi­nal Procedure of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba (1987-1998); and Vice-President of the National Committee On Revi­sing the Crimi­nal Code of the Netherlands Antilles (2002-present).
Snip
 

[MumInOhio]

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one ot two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

Sounds like Shango was posting what some-one else was relaying to him here!

[COLOMBO]

trio

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas. (1+2=3)
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
(last line: what his Lordship's presence guarantees    4-1=3)

[MumInOhio]

it depends on how we define the fifth suspect
are witnesses suspects, do you have to be arrested to be a suspect or is anybody that has relevance to the cas a suspect?

A witness is some one that has information - No Arrest
A  suspect is one that is part of the crime - Arrest
a winess/suspect is someone that has information but that information makes him a suspect - Arrest depend of others who snitch
a suspect/witness is that he is involved but snitched and now has preferential treatment.

would in that case PVDS be the 5th suspect?

One more thing, disregard if irrelevant of course
DINA: Departamento di Imigration y Naturalisacion Aruba

Rudy Croes...

E. Holders of a Laissez-passer (also if not traveling on duty) issued by the United Nations.

Permission to work in Aruba. Visitors wishing to work and/or reside in Aruba for a number of months must have a formal working permit, or residence permit issued by the Ministry of Justice (Department of immigration and Naturalization (D.I.N.A.). The future employer of the person concerned is responsible for the application of the working permit. Further information and application forms for written permits can be obtained free of charge at the aforementioned Department. (Ministry of Justice, c/o Department of Immigration and Naturalization (DINA). Voldellaan 6-D Tel. (297) 582-8500 / (297) 585-8592, Fax (297) 585-8593

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/vacation/entry_requirements.html

[COLOMBO]

his Lordship's presence......but where: in court? or in the house with the path?

[MumInOhio]

Story from FP of Scared Monkeys: June 17th, 2005
9:17 am: From one of our great sources in Aruba, americaninaruba …

today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ……with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning.....also in Savaneta they took someone for interogation…..
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Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of Joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

so, Steve Croes' father is prominent businessman AND high in the judiciary?

fin: is this where you got "high in the judiciary"?
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Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of Savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was known for having underground parties.
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Checkme on June 17th, 2005 1:23 pm
Connie,
The guy this morning is not Dutch. The guy they brought in last night is. However, it looks like the not-Dutch guy is JvdS’s friend and the Dutch guy is the Kalpoe’s.

maybe Freddy is the not-Dutch guy...

saying that Croes is friend of JvdS and LvR is friend of K2 ...
ass backward according to what we know/think

but ... even if linkage is mistakenly reversed,
quite interesting that friendships were acknowledged/had been discovered
between Joran/LvR and Steve Croes/K2

because those particular relationships
have been denied since day one, by all involved

Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm
Checkme: Is Steve Croes the same guy with the famous loud truck? Thanks

is she referring to LvR's "earthquake" van ... outfitted w/ deluxe sound system?

Checkme on June 17th, 2005 5:14 pm
Lucy, So you have been paying real attention… No, this is not the same guy. Info on him is still not out yet, at least not officially.

nagpur on June 17th, 2005 5:36 pm
The diskjockey just selled the drugs to JvdS to drug Natalee and she got an overdose and went in a coma, so Deepak thought that after some time she would wake up and they would lose her at the beach or a crackhouse. So they hid her body at a friends house, but she didn’t make it, so they all wrapped her body up in a black plastic bag, filled with stones and disposed her body in the Carribean Sea. That’s my theory.

interesting theory, interesting details:
Croes the DJ as source of drugs that night,
Deepak right smack in the middle of the event,
black plastic bag/stones

My comment in red...

[MumInOhio]

Yes, the Steve Croes and LVR stories are intertwined only because the media on Aruba wasn't playing straight with the rest of the world.  That is why we still have no idea who is the 4th and 5th and in what order they actually were arrested or if LVR is even involved.  To me, a person that needs an alibi is a SUSPECT not a witness.  I have never seen witnesses need alibis, but then again it is Aruba.  Although Steve Croes did not have to provide an alibi..he was an alibi....then Freddy had an alibi in those two girls and of course there is Lorenzo...seems a guy names Max provided his alibi...so then since Steve Croes only provided an alibi for the 3 perps... does that make Steve Croes an arrested witness?  Yep.  I just confused myself. Gosh!!

If you go by what we have heard, Croes was arrested for providing the HI story…anyone have the actual charges on him?

And Freddy earlier for a false alibi...it was designed to confuse IMO!