SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Interesting.....Freddy was first 'interviewed' on Sunday June 12 at 11:05am, according to the spreadsheet that Grande was able to put together, Freddy was the only interview that day.  At least as far as we can tell from the list of documents from the Dr. Phil case.

This from Deepak's June 11 statement at 12:10 hours:

I also have to tell you that Joran was wearing white sneakers/sport shoes that night. If you search/investigate his home then you will see that the shoes aren't there. He had told me that he had theft them on the beach.
To your question whether I of if Joran told the story to someone else,   than I can say the following. I know Joran told his story to his friend named Freddy ZEDAN. Freddy lives behind Joran. His mobile phone number is inside my mobile phone.

To your question whether Joran told me what he had told Freddy, I can say the following. Joran told me that he had told Freddy the truth and the story that was made up. I know that he trusts Freddy more because they have known each other for a long time. If you go and talk to Freddy, he will tell you the made up story and maybe also the truth.

So...When, exactly, so they think a confession was made?  June 10th or 11th?  We know it was before June 12th and Freddy was not interviewed until June 12th.

Truthseeker it was being posted on early AM of June 11th. IIRC.

[MumInOhio]

Quote from JE:

Maybe this could have something to do with it:

Joran: Deepak and I had agreed that we should talk a lot on the phone and "Chat" a lot on internet to make our story believable. I must also state that I had talked to Freddy and my parents about the fact that Deepak could have gone back to the girl. Freddy also said that if Deepak indeed went back to the girl that I was in big trouble because I was the last person seen with the girl. Freddy had told me that to be safe I should record a conversation between Deepak, Satish and myself.

For Freddy to have said something that got Deepak and Satish arrested it would need to be on the record, right?  So Freddy gave a statement prior to their arrest and it wasn't an alibi like Steve Croes.  So if they arrested Steve because he DID alibi the Kalpoes...why would they not have arrested Freddy for what he said?   I guess the important thing is what time did Freddy say whatever it was that got them arrested?  That has to be on the record somewhere...in all the jumble of information.  I wish I could find it. 
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Lala’s…Starting to think Freddy is a ‘special witness/suspect’!

LOL...can't fix quote!!!!

[COLOMBO]

Jossy Attacks! 10/17/05
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/government-has-its-hand-over-michael.html "Monday, October 17, 2005 Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head? Notorious Chicago figure active in Aruba casino DIARIO Aruba 10/17/2005 ORANJESTAD (AAN): Some time ago DIARIO found information regarding the manager of the Holiday Inn’s Excelsior Casino and people have been calling out to ask how a figure with a criminal past of such an extent can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. His name? Michael Posner, owner (or one of the owners) of the Brickel Hotel situated in front of the big hotels in Malmok. In the past he was arrested in the state of Illinois for violation of the Ricco Act (racketeering) and because he was also involved in the world of prostitution. He was condemned to 10 years in prison, but apparently he served 8 out of the 10 years. He appealed his case and lost the appeal! After he was released he was on parole for 5 years. His name is also mentioned as an associate of a notorious family. DIARIO knows that the government is at the height of such people, and asks how he can be active in the casino industry of Aruba. How did he find a permit to work in this branch with the background that he has? How has the Minister of Justice still not taken action against him? Now that his criminal past is known, what is the government waiting for to take him out of Aruba? During the campaign which recently came to an end, many comments and rumours were circulating regarding contributions to certain politicians, including those in the government. DIARIO hopes that the issue of campaign moneys remain a rumour, because if true, then there are more politicians for sale than is apparent. The presence of Michael Posner in the Aruba casino industry, with the criminal past that he has, does not speak well of the judicial control system, nor that of National Security, nor of those in charge to check the background of those who work in the tourism industry of Aruba. This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba."

[COLOMBO]

Monday, October 17, 2005 Government has its hand over Michael Posner’s head

[COLOMBO]

for emphasis:

This is the damage that one person with such a bad reputation, who was incarcerated during 8 years, who is associated with a notorious family in America, can cause to the tourism of Aruba

[jackb]

trio

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas. (1+2=3)
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
(last line: what his Lordship's presence guarantees    4-1=3)

 

It sounds like whomever was holding Joran in jail was holding him to keep him from talking as he has dirt on his hands too.  Vandersloot may know the dirt and they were blackmailing each other one saying he wants a guarantee Joran will keep his mouth shut., etc.  j/b

[JE]

Yes, the Steve Croes and LVR stories are intertwined only because the media on Aruba wasn't playing straight with the rest of the world.  That is why we still have no idea who is the 4th and 5th and in what order they actually were arrested or if LVR is even involved.  To me, a person that needs an alibi is a SUSPECT not a witness.  I have never seen witnesses need alibis, but then again it is Aruba.  Although Steve Croes did not have to provide an alibi..he was an alibi....then Freddy had an alibi in those two girls and of course there is Lorenzo...seems a guy names Max provided his alibi...so then since Steve Croes only provided an alibi for the 3 perps... does that make Steve Croes an arrested witness?  Yep.  I just confused myself. Gosh!!

If you go by what we have heard, Croes was arrested for providing the HI story…anyone have the actual charges on him?

And Freddy earlier for a false alibi...it was designed to confuse IMO!

Some interesting info from SM FP 2005/06/17
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/17/breaking-news-4th-person-arrested-in-natalee-holloway-case/#comments

At 9:50 am: MSNBC & Fox have just reported the arrest of a fourth suspect. A 27 year old man.
It has been confirmed by Fox speaking to individual in Justice department 4th arrest 26 year old friend of joran

Fox News now reporting: Sources: 4th Person Arrested in Aruba Mystery

    Authorities in Aruba arrested a fourth man in connection with the disappearance of missing Alabama honors student Natalee Holloway, sources told FOX News.

    The new person detained is a 26-year-old friend of Joran van der Sloot — who was with Holloway the night she disappeared, sources said. Van der Sloot, 17, has been detained but not charged.

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Unbelievable, after 18 days a fourth suspect now confirmed arrested, 26 year old, son of a prominent businessman and alleged friend of joran van der Sloot. Aruban authorities state there is an search going on with regards to this arrest but did not state where.

The boy has the initials SGC, and his father is also high in the judiciary.

Update: 1045 There is a rumor of another person taken into custody, his father recently committed suicide and that he has had serious mental issues since. He has two homes, a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro, and was know for having underground parties.

This is getting a little bizarre.

interesting posts:

Billyboy leroy from alabama on June 17th, 2005 3:52 pm

I think , this has happend

once upon a time there was a man called steve croes was the writer of a first aid book , but bored with his live witing books on emergencies , he decided he wanted to be a disc jockey on a tropical island , so he did some cosmetical operations , provided by a anonimous corperation ran by two former security guards in venezuela . In order to blend in on aruba he needed to buy a new indentity , with the help of a young kid (joran van der sloot) father (paul van der sloot) who father had influence in the local law system. So smuggled him on a boat called the tatoo to aruba an provided him with a new passport the courier for this passport was lorenzo . Then one day on the island appeard a nice young lady called natalee who per coincidence liked reading books on emergencys uncovered on her last night out poor steve a writer of books. Steve panicked that is true indentity would be uncovered and that he was not the cool disc jockey he claimed to be but a writer of books on emergencies . So steve offered her a large sum of money enough to start a new life unoticed to say nothing about the whole ordeal. So she went on her last night out with the sun of the judge and 2 brothers, the karpoe brothers” who provided security to dig up a large sum with money hidden near the light house . Then she hid in a cave for a while before being flown out to another country with an helicopter with an infared camera to an other country ………………………….


#  Lucy on June 17th, 2005 5:07 pm

Checkme:
Is Steve Croes the same guy with the famous loud truck?
Thanks

#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 5:14 pm

Lucy,
So you have been paying real attention… No, this is not the same guy. Info on him is still not out yet, at least not officially.


#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…

#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:11 pm

Fox-news:
“FOX also learned that police may have questioned yet another young man, said to be of Dutch nationality, on Thursday night.”

This is the guy with the blue van… He is the key to the story.

[JE]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

He was discovered???? By whom?

[JE]

from a post by texasmom on the NCD


The Honourable Mr. Justice Wit is married to Sheila Wit-Thodé, a native of Curaçao. They have 4 children: Demseys, Taciana, Eurydice, and Nausi­caä, all born in Curaçao


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The babylonians are to blame.
The arawaks were worried about teepees and the cowboys.
They did not bring DirtyHand into the Tribe!
He will go back to babylon broken, after the sacrifice is eaten

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:57 pm
Outsiders brought into the Arawak tribe walk in many circles, nameless


just a thought

[COLOMBO]

trio

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas. (1+2=3)
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
(last line: what his Lordship's presence guarantees    4-1=3)

 

It sounds like whomever was holding Joran in jail was holding him to keep him from talking as he has dirt on his hands too.  Vandersloot may know the dirt and they were blackmailing each other one saying he wants a guarantee Joran will keep his mouth shut., etc.  j/b

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

the game, from pg 4:
http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf
Both pimps and prostitutes generally referred to their activities as “the game.”

elders of the game, not just of babylon (Arawak!!!!!) walk in older circles

DirtyHand is the link
holds the real key!   (to what?)

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation    (elders of the game)
meet, under cover of delusion.
In the maze
the lions which play
shall be found.
The gamblers also took note.
Tell the cowboys!
 
Tribe knows the players, even the elders of the inner circle

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

He was discovered???? By whom?

Gods of the cowboys

[JE]

Post by Dennisintn on NCD



On 7-1 “Hasibokos” reported, “In March 2004 Paulus van der Sloot traveled to Holland for a year and when he returned to Aruba in March 2005 he did not receive the required recommendation to become a Judge. The results of his training in Holland were not sufficient to become a Judge, and he was notified by the President of the Common Court of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba that he cannot function as a judge and has to look for another function.”

and still anita referred to paulus as a judge or judge-in-training several times, during interviews.
dennisintn


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice

Maybe his lordship did not bestow the title?

[COLOMBO]

trio

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas. (1+2=3)
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
(last line: what his Lordship's presence guarantees    4-1=3)

 

It sounds like whomever was holding Joran in jail was holding him to keep him from talking as he has dirt on his hands too.  Vandersloot may know the dirt and they were blackmailing each other one saying he wants a guarantee Joran will keep his mouth shut., etc.  j/b

A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand

Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

[JE]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

He was discovered???? By whom?

Gods of the cowboys

I figured that much but who or what are they?(the gods) If he was discovered his identity is known.

[JE]

#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…

funny BTW that checkme says "delivery truck" in dutch a van is called bestelwagen=delivery truck

[klaasend]

#  Checkme on June 17th, 2005 6:02 pm

Look for the blue (with grafiti) delivery truck getting impounded…

funny BTW that checkme says "delivery truck" in dutch a van is called bestelwagen=delivery truck

So Checkme is saying look for Lorenzo's van to be impounded?  There's that darn Lorenzo again, lol 

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

He was discovered???? By whom?

Gods of the cowboys

I figured that much but who or what are they?(the gods) If he was discovered his identity is known.

think of it this way.........
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03122008/news/regionalnews/spitzer_to_resign_in_the_hour__sources_s_101629.htm

[COLOMBO]

If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.

[JE]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:58 pm
Arawaks want to make cowboys happy
Babylonians want to maintain integrity of Great House
Gods of the cowboys know there was a game in the great house,
and so DirtyHand was discovered
But the sacrifice will be offered before dirty hand sings
He will return to babylon, broken but anonymous

He was discovered???? By whom?

Gods of the cowboys

I figured that much but who or what are they?(the gods) If he was discovered his identity is known.

think of it this way.........
http://www.nypost.com/seven/03122008/news/regionalnews/spitzer_to_resign_in_the_hour__sources_s_101629.htm

So media/camera's etc? like the one's recording the game?

[COLOMBO]

He walks in many circles
He walks in ALL houses