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« Reply #3740 on: March 22, 2008, 03:20:09 PM »

I'm not sure that we have identified all of the information that Fin was giving us.  These are the surnames that I found in the source which Fin gave.  The names are Croes, van der Westen, van der Biest, van der Woestijne, Poppe, Specht, Solagnier, Zagaria, Castro, Ravine, Tromp, and Lampe.

This is the list that Fin gave us.  We haven't figured out very much of it

Retired ex-polis - Rufo Solognier (uncle and neighbor of Steve Cores)
Blue Blood - ?
Cousins - ?
Crows - Steve Cores (?)
Curacao - ?
Grandmother - ?
Insurance - ?
Blogs - ?
ALE - ?
ex-monkey - no longer posts on SM

Fin wanted us to ask why SGC would lie, and what relations he has to an ex-monkey.
Who is Fin? He didn't join this forum until February.  Was he a former forum member?  How would he know this information about former posters?  I haven't seen Fin post since he gave these cryptic clues. I very quickly identified that Fin knows how genealogy data is gathered.  He knew how LDS gets their information, which might have gone over many monkey heads.  He knew about individuals submitting lineages and the "two on the bike".  Fin has done genealogy research. I think we ned to take a good look a Fin's clues again.

Yes, the Mormons have a great database. Info only good as those who submit lineage, or those two guys on the bikes have time to find. There are others.

Perhaps, to find more fruit, one might need to seek another family tree.

Maybe shake the tree of a retired ex-polis and see what kinda flavour falls out.

Who knows...it may lead to the fifth and a monkey.

Flip tha coin again, sour mash gal.

There is more than one retired polis....

Maybe search: Solagnier + genaruba

ah ... Tio Rufo, SGC's next door neighbor? Rufo... rings a bell. Is he a neighbour?

Tio=TEOFILO SEFERINO CROES?
Neighbors? 

Solognier Raul (Rufo?)    
Seroe Pita 20 D    

Croes Hendrik S (Hendrik Serefino Croes) (Serefino "Steve" Gregory Croes grandparent?)   
Seroe Pita 22

I have found other Croes/Solognier with common street addresses but the above are the closest together.
fin thinks SGC the 5th? Why would he lie? Any reasons? Any relations to an ex-monkey?

the monkey is ex/not current? Posts the cage no more.  I don't know the name of the ex-monkey that finbar is referring to, so I will leave this to someone who does.
RUFO SOLOGNIER
Retired ALE Police Chief

Now that rings a louder bell.

No typos in

Search: Solagnier + genaruba.

Do names through genealogy histories always stay the same?  There are both Solognier/Solagnier families listed in Aruba
The ex-monkey is not a Crows, but is related to Crows.

Steve Crows is not the ex-monkey, but maybe related to one.

Shake the Solagnier + genaruba and an ex-monkey will fall out of the tree.

Rufo cannot find a razor, think he could type?

Two words above to be searched with a "+" in between. Does the s-engine still work?

Fin


Am I sour mash girl?    I keep focusing on the changes in the Solagnier spelling.  The family that now spells it Solognier is Rufo.  The family that still spells it Solagnier is the one that was involved in smuggling with the Harms family and Jossy Mansur.  Rufo can't find a razor and typing is also of interest.


SS, what i have discovered is in blue above.  Not sure if any of it is what Finbar was leading us too, probably much more investigation is needed.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #3741 on: March 22, 2008, 03:35:44 PM »

Finbars first post was:

    
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2459 on: February 21, 2008, 03:23:13 PM »
   
Why not just ask arubagirl who Simian is. I certain that she could fill in the blanks. Wink


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Then if Finbar is AG why not just say so??  I am tired of the cloak and dagger stuff.  If AG is Simian then just say so and tell us who is the 5th suspect.  Then tell me about the party and the people that provided the alibi...we have lots of other things that we could be doing if this was out of the way.  I have no problem with the truth....just seems that if I were Simian and after all this time having seen the crap said that are wrong I would have enough courage to step out of my little corner of the world and help this family out and prove that what I say is true...otherwise it's a coward's way to communicate.  Same with Shango.  I have never said they were right or knew diddly squat about what happened...but if they did and one of them is AG...then she is complicit in the cover up as far as I am concerned and should have to account for what she did. AG has denied she is Simian or knows who Simian is.  Another lie? I don't know.  Shango is no better...regardless of who it is they allowed the truth to be hidden to the point that it has ruined an entire island.  They should be held accountable. MOO

Agree with you there, if Finbar wants to tell us something why doesn't he/she say so?

I dont buy for a second that Simain Shango etc had to use code to not be found out.
A Single post, including the so called inside information they may have had, would have been much mure effective and less "dangerous" than talking in code for days. There is a possibility that they knew nothing. Have they ever brought forward any new information that was not in the news? Or were they just rehashing known facts in a sort of code they made up and just enjoyed the attention?

Thx for the "Gordo on mission" posts these guys do have fun nicks just like "Mary im Ernest" LOL
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« Reply #3742 on: March 22, 2008, 04:47:10 PM »

Simian reported slightly ahead of the news cycle:

Simian Says: June 28th, 2005 at 2:09 am
The Simian is disapointed. The Simian repeats himself seldom, but like to say the he only reports ahead of time. The clues were solely to avoid implicating sources. Never to hurt the feeling of the readers.
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« Reply #3743 on: March 22, 2008, 04:50:36 PM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He (PVDS) had to be let go
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He (PVDS) had been brought in for questioning that day


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation



Well poop!  Sorry, I hit post before I was finished. LOL  The UNDERLINED post is NOT....I repeat...NOT part of the original Simian posts.  It was part of a conversation at another website.  It has nothing to do with that Simian post...I have been saying this for days now. It should never be quoted in that comment by Simian.


not the important part......the important part is: did DirtyHand walk w/ PVDS on the 17th, or was it the 24th
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« Reply #3744 on: March 22, 2008, 04:51:48 PM »

the day that the "judge" had become fallen.......
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« Reply #3745 on: March 22, 2008, 06:16:29 PM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He (PVDS) had to be let go
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He (PVDS) had been brought in for questioning that day


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation



Well poop!  Sorry, I hit post before I was finished. LOL  The UNDERLINED post is NOT....I repeat...NOT part of the original Simian posts.  It was part of a conversation at another website.  It has nothing to do with that Simian post...I have been saying this for days now. It should never be quoted in that comment by Simian.


not the important part......the important part is: did DirtyHand walk w/ PVDS on the 17th, or was it the 24th

Actually it is important...to me.  The date of the 17th is not substantiated as true by any sources I have seen.  His duties were suspended...I never read that anywhere..just in that conversation.  Paulus was arrested on June 22 and released on June 26th. Steve Croes the next day.  So if you are are saying that Dirty Hand is Steve Croes...then I might buy that one.  Heck, you know I don't know anything here...I am as dumb as a sack of rocks when it comes to this stuff.
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« Reply #3746 on: March 22, 2008, 06:28:09 PM »

Texas Mom,

Fin's responses are in blue:
ah ... Tio Rufo, SGC's next door neighbor? Rufo... rings a bell. Is he a neighbour?
fin thinks SGC the 5th? Why would he lie? Any reasons? Any relations to an ex-monkey?
the monkey is ex/not current? Posts the cage no more.

Rufo Solognier is the neighbor of Steve Croes and he is also his uncle.  He told reporters that he is related to Steve Croes through his wife.  This would mean that his wife is most likely the sister of Hendrik Croes or sister of the wife of Hendrik Croes. Hendrik and his wife are the grandparents of Steve Croes.  If we could identify the maiden name of Rufo Solognier's wife, we would be able to move forward.  Aruban vital records are not online.  We need someone to go to the courthouse.

This might sound a little crazy, but humor me.  The avatar that Finbar was using was a monkey smoking a cigarette.  Alex Solagnier was the one who exposed the Mansur/Harms families with their involvement in the smuggling of cigarettes and drugs during the British American Tobacco Company scandal during the 1990s.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm

I am still not certain about the significance of Solognier v. Solagnier.  Are they two different families or are they both descendants of Frenchman Michel Solagnier?

Can Klaas give us a compiled list of everything that Finbar posted since February?  We might be missing stuff.
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« Reply #3747 on: March 22, 2008, 06:36:00 PM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He (PVDS) had to be let go
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He (PVDS) had been brought in for questioning that day


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation



Well poop!  Sorry, I hit post before I was finished. LOL  The UNDERLINED post is NOT....I repeat...NOT part of the original Simian posts.  It was part of a conversation at another website.  It has nothing to do with that Simian post...I have been saying this for days now. It should never be quoted in that comment by Simian.


not the important part......the important part is: did DirtyHand walk w/ PVDS on the 17th, or was it the 24th

Actually it is important...to me.  The date of the 17th is not substantiated as true by any sources I have seen.  His duties were suspended...I never read that anywhere..just in that conversation.  Paulus was arrested on June 22 and released on June 26th. Steve Croes the next day.  So if you are are saying that Dirty Hand is Steve Croes...then I might buy that one.  Heck, you know I don't know anything here...I am as dumb as a sack of rocks when it comes to this stuff.

And he walked with the fallen elder

The problem here is that we can never logically put a date on this comment.
dirtyhand walked with the fallen elder. This can mean dirtyhand walked with PVDS. This could mean Jan VDS walked with PVDS. But we can never determine if they walked together on a specific date much less what the purpose of the walk was. Or if it was a walk in the litteral sense in the first place.

I take it to mean that dirty hand knew PVDS. But then since we can't say for sure who dirtyhand is what does it help us?
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« Reply #3748 on: March 22, 2008, 06:56:33 PM »

I still think that simians and shangos definition of babylonians is not the same
simian    Babylonians=police
Shango  Babylonians= dutch/dutch governement

I know that simian made a post in which he said that babalu was clueless about who babylonians are and that he would make an exception and answer: the gamblers knew the girl. People then assumed that babylonians were the gamblers.

But he does not say the babylonians are the gamblers

these are the post of simian and babalu on that date pertaining to that comment:




Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm


The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.


The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:33 pm


Shango


Clarify this. Joran is supposed to be a Babylonian. Are there more Babylonians other than him????
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:37 pm


Why would an elder Babylonian let a younger Babylonian be sacrified. Once again, do the Sumerians own the kaseenos?
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:47 pm


Shango


I read something about ganbanging a 14 yr. old tourist and filming it. But this was not attributed to the duo of Babylonians, but to another group of kids, including Van Rijn, Aredszetc.
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:52 pm


Simian


Demoniacal???


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Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm


The Simain thinks that Babalu is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.


The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.



What i think he says: Babalu assumes all the time that Joran and PVDS are the babylonians. They're not simian thinks this is funny because in the first post he says The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl. it's obvious that they are not the same as the gamblers. All he does in my opinion is saying look at my post that include the words: The gamblers knew the girl

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« Reply #3749 on: March 22, 2008, 07:01:49 PM »

Finbar claims that he is the one who originally created this timeline of events related to the night Natalee disappeared.  He posted this on SM on 2/21.  Who is Finbar?

 Re: Natalee Case Discussion #734 2/21 -
« Reply #712 on: February 23, 2008, 01:12:13 PM » 

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Quote from: Magnolia on February 23, 2008, 12:04:24 PM
Quote from: bleachedblack on February 23, 2008, 11:32:54 AM
Quote from: Blonde on February 23, 2008, 09:46:02 AM
I have NO link saved of where I got this I'm not sure if it's right
Monday, May 30
12:15 am?.......Deepak, Satish & Joran arrive Carlos’nCharlies’
........................MB kids surprised to see Joran because he’d said @ casino Sunday nites slow & no one goes out
12:45 am.........Joran in another scuffle with MBHS kids outside Carlos’nCharlies’
........................Natalee & other MBHS kids believe Joran van der Sloot is a Dutch tourist visiting Aruba
........................Some locals later tell MBHS kids Joran van der Sloot is a local drug dealer
1:00 am...........Carlos’nCharlie’s closes, everyone starts leaving
1:30 am...........Joran walks next to Natalee outside Carlos’nCharlie’s, but two are not touching
........................MB kids say Natalee does not appear to be drunk & is walking OK
........................Natalee tells MB friends she’s going back to Holiday Inn with another group of MB kids
........................Natalee points to MB kids she’s going with, Kalpoe brothers & Deepak’s car nowhere in sight
........................MB kids see Natalee & Joran in Deepak’s car but think it’s a taxi (taxis not marked in Aruba)
........................Natalee & Joran leave Carlos’nCharlies’ in Deepak Kalpoe’s car with his brother Satish
........................MB kids go back to hotel pool and beach. Marriott beach visible. Moon at 59% illumination
1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak then drives away from Oranjestad to California Lighthouse
1:50 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says the brothers drop off Natalee & Joran (@ Marriott?)
2:00 am...........Mickey John says Deepak told him in jail that he & Satish went home and got on the computer
2:00 am...........Person sees Kalpoe brothers in Deepak’s car driving toward Montanja where van der Sloots live
2-3:00 am........Kalpoe’s neighbor sees brothers at home washing Deepak’s car
2:30 am...........Geraldo says Joran van der Sloot calls Deepak Kalpoe and asks for a ride
2:40 am...........Satish Kalpoe’s lawyer David **** says cellphone records show Joran called Deepak
........................Lawyer says Deepak told him Joran said he was walking home & left Natalee on beach
........................Mickey says Deepak told him Joran said he would go online in hour and tell him what happened
3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?
3:00 am?.........Someone who sounds like Natalee leaves garbled message on cellphone voicemail of MB guy
....................... MB guy’s cell (his, not rented) is only MB cell which can make/receive calls locally in Aruba
........................Message on his voicemail is along the lines of “I don't know these people”
3:00 am...........?Natalee also leaves message on Twittys answering machine in MB calling from a cellphone?
........................Beth Twitty in Arkansas @ time. Where were Jug Twitty & Natalee’s 16 y.o. brother Matthew?
........................Cellphone may have belonged to or was rented by Joran or Paulus van der Sloot
........................Beth Twitty tells Fox H&C she believes Natalee was @ van der Sloots when she made the call
3:00 am...........Deepak tells Mickey Johns that Joran text messaged they “need to talk” as per People Mag
3:15 am..........Geraldo says Deepak gets text message saying “Nevermind. Got another ride.”
3:20 am..........Satish’s lawyer says Deepak said he got text message from Joran saying he was home
3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM?
4:00 am..........Geraldo says Paulus picks up Joran (from where??) and drives him home
5:00 am..........50-100 MB kids @ beach, Holiday Inn pool & lobby start to go back to their rooms for sleep
6:30 am..........?Records show call from one of 3 amigo’s cellphones in Santa Lucia area of Aruba ?
.......................?Call is to another of the 3 amigos?
6:40 am..........Julia @ “Aruba Today” says Joran on school bus & “aced” his exam, but no exams scheduled
.......................Headmaster @ International School of Aruba says Joran was late this day & Paulus drove him
???? am..........Joran in school bragging about sex with Natalee -- also saying she drowned??
8:00 am..........Chaperones go to all the MB kids’ hotel rooms, make sure all awake.
.......................Chaperones take headcount and notice Natalee is missing.



Blonde I have seen this timeline also, but  don't recall where from. It interestingly contains the mention of the stop at the other bar by the perps, and the ATM stops, but
sadly not confirmed info on it though I recall it too .......often I think this early info true...out before it got cleaned up, sadly no way to prove it.

1:40 am...........Kalpoe’s lawyer says Deepak briefly stops at a bar/restaurant a block from Carlos’nCharlies’

3:00 am...........?Someone makes withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM across from Mcdonalds?

3:45 am..........?Someone makes 2nd withdrawl from Paulus’ account @ Aruba Bank ATM? [/b]


I think the timeline above may be the one Writenow did at the end of June o5,
I always thought that was important because information was new in the mind.


Nope.

That computer scrawl be mine.

I think I composed it from several sources. One was World Journier. One was from interviews. Me thinks Shizaru sounds familiar, but I do not remember those text messages that were actually sent.

It may seem they came from several sites because I mined all the net info I could find at the time. That page came from one place.

I was hoping it would be posted because that info was on an old computer that I no longer use.

It needs reworking and a badly needed format make over. lol.

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« Reply #3750 on: March 22, 2008, 07:02:36 PM »

Jan VDS' retirement had been planned well in advance, according to a post a few pages back

consider:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too. (arawak nation)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak (babylonian)
Many pioneers have settled with the tribe

why don’t the arawaks ambush the lions?
The cowboys don’t know.
DirtyHand knows, but is afraid of the Arawak Nation

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians (pimps)
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.
Tell the Cowboys!
The Arawaks are hiding the path to the Maze for the Babylonians.

he was the hidden card that was played
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

Dirty Hand is the link! (between arawak nation & pimps)
A new key must be found to open unknown doors. (hidden path to maze)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
He holds the real key (to the poison hou$e)
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« Reply #3751 on: March 22, 2008, 07:06:03 PM »

I still think that simians and shangos definition of babylonians is not the same
simian    Babylonians=police
Shango  Babylonians= dutch/dutch governement

I know that simian made a post in which he said that babalu was clueless about who babylonians are and that he would make an exception and answer: the gamblers knew the girl. People then assumed that babylonians were the gamblers.

But he does not say the babylonians are the gamblers

these are the post of simian and babalu on that date pertaining to that comment:




Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm


The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.


The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:33 pm


Shango


Clarify this. Joran is supposed to be a Babylonian. Are there more Babylonians other than him????
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:37 pm


Why would an elder Babylonian let a younger Babylonian be sacrified. Once again, do the Sumerians own the kaseenos?
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:47 pm


Shango


I read something about ganbanging a 14 yr. old tourist and filming it. But this was not attributed to the duo of Babylonians, but to another group of kids, including Van Rijn, Aredszetc.
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:52 pm


Simian


Demoniacal???


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Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm


The Simain thinks that Babalu is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.


The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.



What i think he says: Babalu assumes all the time that Joran and PVDS are the babylonians. They're not simian thinks this is funny because in the first post he says The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl. it's obvious that they are not the same as the gamblers. All he does in my opinion is saying look at my post that include the words: The gamblers knew the girl



great post-you're absolutely correct....he doesn't call babylonians gamblers.....he says the gamblers knew the girl, she spent her nights at their tables......all they "knew" was written down

Shango says "why did the girl owe money"

who would have made this determination?

is this the maze?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ
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« Reply #3752 on: March 22, 2008, 07:07:39 PM »

poison notes-line of credit?
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« Reply #3753 on: March 22, 2008, 07:09:33 PM »

In this post, Finbar gives us the information about the firm owned by Paulass.  He says that Carlo is significant.  Once again he is pointing to Jossy Mansur.

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You all may already have  this, but  came  across it  when searching one night.   I believe it is a register  of businesses that belong to the Aruba Chamber of  Commerce?   It  lists  the owner and the business address, and I have been checking it against  the other list of businesses I  posted.  If nothing else, it is  interesting to see the names on it.  My hope is that it will  be helpful to  one of  you smart Monkeys!

http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm

http://www.visitaruba.com/business/directory/busdir.mv?search



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Yes , it is a useful tool.

Look up how many businesses Jossy owns.

Here is one for PVDS

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the trade name:

 
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
 
Business address   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company   CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Date of commencement   1 JANUARY 2007
     
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Established at   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Position   MANAGING PARTNER
Since   18 JANUARY 2007
Authority   FULL
 
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Residing in   MONTANJA 19, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING PARTNER
Effective   18 JANUARY 2007
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN ADVOCATENKANTOOR.
 
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

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Carlo, that name rings a bell.

Hi Mum.

Fin
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« Reply #3754 on: March 22, 2008, 07:18:09 PM »

SS,

Finbar was on other forums, way back when, IIRC.

Also, the family history page is the work of the ex-monkey, arubagirl.

If any of that helps.

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« Reply #3755 on: March 22, 2008, 07:19:47 PM »

In this post, Finbar gives us the information about the firm owned by Paulass.  He says that Carlo is significant.  Once again he is pointing to Jossy Mansur.

 Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
« Reply #2541 on: February 24, 2008, 12:13:00 AM » Quote 

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Quote from: sirensong on February 23, 2008, 07:27:30 PM
You all may already have  this, but  came  across it  when searching one night.   I believe it is a register  of businesses that belong to the Aruba Chamber of  Commerce?   It  lists  the owner and the business address, and I have been checking it against  the other list of businesses I  posted.  If nothing else, it is  interesting to see the names on it.  My hope is that it will  be helpful to  one of  you smart Monkeys!

http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm

http://www.visitaruba.com/business/directory/busdir.mv?search



Siren,

Yes , it is a useful tool.

Look up how many businesses Jossy owns.

Here is one for PVDS

Appearing in the Trade Register of the Chamber of Commerce and Industry in ARUBA since 18 JANUARY 2007 under serial number 35741.0 is the company with the trade name:

 
CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
 
Business address   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD OOST
Legal form   PARTNERSHIP
Name of the company   CARLO & VAN DER SLOOT
Date of commencement   1 JANUARY 2007
     
 
OWNERS/PARTNERS

ADVOCATENKANTOOR MR A.A.D.A. CARLO N.V.
Established at   CONSTANTIJN HUYGENSTRAAT 5, ORANJESTAD, ARUBA
Position   MANAGING PARTNER
Since   18 JANUARY 2007
Authority   FULL
 
VAN DER SLOOT, PAUL ANTONIUS PETRUS JOHANNA;
Residing in   MONTANJA 19, NOORD, ARUBA
Born in   THE NETHERLANDS, BOXTEL on 15 FEBRUARY 1952
Nationality   DUTCH
Position   MANAGING PARTNER
Effective   18 JANUARY 2007
Authority   FULL
 
OBJECTIVE(S) OF THE COMPANY

HET UITOEFENEN VAN EEN ADVOCATENKANTOOR.
 
Only valid if accordingly signed by the Chamber of Commerce & Industry Aruba - J.E. Irausquin Blvd.10, Oranjestad, Aruba.

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Carlo, that name rings a bell.

Hi Mum.

Fin


SS, Carlo was the atorney for JVDS when he was first arrested. In the first show that Peter de Vries did on Natalee in 2006 He went into Carlos office with a hidden camera and asked Carlo about a meeting Carlo had with the prosecuter Karen Janssen. Carlo wrote a letter to the prosecutor saying that he wanted to clear his conscience about his client.
Carlo never denied the meeting took place but did not say what he had told Janssen. It's a strange coincidence that after Paulus became the fallen judge he partnered with Carlo as a lawyer in his law firm
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« Reply #3756 on: March 22, 2008, 07:20:16 PM »

In this posting, Finbar seems to be telling us that the father of Steve Croes is involved with the judiciary on Curacao.  Once again he is pointing to the family of Steve Croes.

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« Reply #3083 on: March 04, 2008, 02:49:17 PM » 

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Quote from: Lala'sMom on March 04, 2008, 10:10:02 AM
Now, why are we talking about Steve's father?  I have lost the gist of this conversation. Sorry.


I dunno. Maybe a dead end.

It is just odd to me that the judges in this case come from Curacao. Maybe it is the norm. SGC's father there. Supposed to be a ranking official. I read a member of the judiciary. Maybe that info was not correct. I am just trying to tie it together, if it goes together.

There is a pic of SGC & JVDS. Claims to not know them. Provides an alibi that was a lie.

Besides the obvious, it is odd that all of these surrounding people committed crimes of obstruction and perjury and none are prosecuted for it. Maybe this angle should be pushed for Aruba's officials to explain.


Fin


Do you have this picture, Fin?
I do not recall ever seeing one with the two of them together.
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« Reply #3757 on: March 22, 2008, 07:24:21 PM »

poison notes-line of credit?

The lies in the PV's? The false testimony's?
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« Reply #3758 on: March 22, 2008, 07:28:36 PM »

poison notes-line of credit?

The lies in the PV's? The false testimony's?

she spent her nights at their tables

the gamblers also took note
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« Reply #3759 on: March 22, 2008, 07:30:31 PM »

I still think that simians and shangos definition of babylonians is not the same
simian    Babylonians=police
Shango  Babylonians= dutch/dutch governement

I know that simian made a post in which he said that babalu was clueless about who babylonians are and that he would make an exception and answer: the gamblers knew the girl. People then assumed that babylonians were the gamblers.

But he does not say the babylonians are the gamblers

these are the post of simian and babalu on that date pertaining to that comment:




Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm


The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.


The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:33 pm


Shango


Clarify this. Joran is supposed to be a Babylonian. Are there more Babylonians other than him????
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:37 pm


Why would an elder Babylonian let a younger Babylonian be sacrified. Once again, do the Sumerians own the kaseenos?
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:47 pm


Shango


I read something about ganbanging a 14 yr. old tourist and filming it. But this was not attributed to the duo of Babylonians, but to another group of kids, including Van Rijn, Aredszetc.
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Babalu on June 26th, 2005 9:52 pm


Simian


Demoniacal???


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Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:53 pm


The Simain thinks that Babalu is clueless about who the Babylonians are. The Simian thinks that is really funny.


The Simian will make an exception and answer: The gamblers knew he girl.



What i think he says: Babalu assumes all the time that Joran and PVDS are the babylonians. They're not simian thinks this is funny because in the first post he says The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl. it's obvious that they are not the same as the gamblers. All he does in my opinion is saying look at my post that include the words: The gamblers knew the girl



great post-you're absolutely correct....he doesn't call babylonians gamblers.....he says the gamblers knew the girl, she spent her nights at their tables......all they "knew" was written down

Shango says "why did the girl owe money"

who would have made this determination?

is this the maze?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ


Columbo i dont have that much "faith" in shango He is too loose in his definitions for my taste. The maze IMO can mean
- judicial red tape and rules
- criminal underground stuff(like your youtube link)
- it could even be a hard to unravel kind of secret society etc

just MHO some of you guys have been at this so much longer than I have so i'm open to suggestions
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