SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[COLOMBO]

Simian on June 26th, 2005 9:27 pm


The elder had to come clean. He knows what damaged he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ’cause the bird would fly away.


The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

the gamblers took note......all they knew was written down

[texasmom]

Texas Mom,

Fin's responses are in blue:
ah ... Tio Rufo, SGC's next door neighbor? Rufo... rings a bell. Is he a neighbour?
fin thinks SGC the 5th? Why would he lie? Any reasons? Any relations to an ex-monkey?
the monkey is ex/not current? Posts the cage no more.

Rufo Solognier is the neighbor of Steve Croes and he is also his uncle.  He told reporters that he is related to Steve Croes through his wife.  This would mean that his wife is most likely the sister of Hendrik Croes or sister of the wife of Hendrik Croes. Hendrik and his wife are the grandparents of Steve Croes.  If we could identify the maiden name of Rufo Solognier's wife, we would be able to move forward.  Aruban vital records are not online.  We need someone to go to the courthouse.

This might sound a little crazy, but humor me.  The avatar that Finbar was using was a monkey smoking a cigarette.  Alex Solagnier was the one who exposed the Mansur/Harms families with their involvement in the smuggling of cigarettes and drugs during the British American Tobacco Company scandal during the 1990s.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm

I am still not certain about the significance of Solognier v. Solagnier.  Are they two different families or are they both descendants of Frenchman Michel Solagnier?

Can Klaas give us a compiled list of everything that Finbar posted since February?  We might be missing stuff.

SS, this can be done but it would be EXTREMELY long and they probably would not appreciate us posting it all here again.  Plus, all of the posts do not apply to what we're researching.  Follow the link that I am posting below and you can view all of Finbar's post from the beginning.  The first page will be the most recent posts and they are in order back to his beginning post.

 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3806;sa=showPosts

[COLOMBO]

JE:

maze difficult for supposed guilty, even if innocent

the fallen judge & the singing card.......

[COLOMBO]

He has a history of making himself something he's not (a judge maybe?)

[COLOMBO]

http://www.ipsn.org/lolli1.html

Acting through his underboss, Rocco Ernest Infelise, head of one of the largest "street crews" in Chicago, Ferriola directed Jahoda to lure 51-year-old Robert Heyden Plummer to the outfit's elegantly appointed "Murder Mansion" in northern Libertyville Township. The secluded Lake County mansion in the woods once belonged to a local millionaire, Bruce Rouse, and his wife, Darlene, until they were brutally murdered in 1980. Their case was never solved. The mob bought up acreage and spent $50,000 converting the former residence into a high stakes  casino (ca$ino) that employed eighteen full-time people to accommodate the gambling high rollers (ROLLERS) and fun- loving clientele who parked their cars in the rear. Reportedly, the outfit raked in $400,000 for just fifteen nights of casino gambling (of gold bricks). According to Jahoda, political protection was supplied by former Lake County Sheriff Tom Brown, whose elected term spanned 1978 - 1982.

The Murder Mansion was an appropriate setting for what Rocky Infelise had in mind. He told the skittish Jahoda a few short hours before a well-planned murder to lead the unsuspecting Bobby Plummer up the flight of stairs to the second-floor casino and "just keep going." Plummer was a "revenue collector" (all they knew was written down) for Ferriola, and a gambler of long standing in the northern suburbs. He also operated the Front Runner Messenger Service, a horse-betting parlor in Highwood belonging to Michael Posner, a protégé of Ferriola and a kingpin in Lake County mob vice operations. Plummer, of north suburban Lake Forest, was attacked on the stairway and savagely beaten to death. His body was found in the trunk of his wife's Lincoln Continental in a Mundelein Holiday Inn parking lot. Jahoda still cannot forget the horrible death cries of Plummer as he was dispatched from this world.

[JE]

He has a history of making himself something he's not (a judge maybe?)

This quote i am almost certain refers to Joran

some posts from that day

#  Rachael on June 24th, 2005 2:48 pm

WHO AGREES WITH ME?

To all you out there bashing about grammer, find a different discussion board. This is about Natalee and the case of her disapearance. Grow up!
# Pam on June 24th, 2005 2:48 pm

You often hear of sociopaths that kill people having a history of killing animals first.
# Rachael on June 24th, 2005 2:48 pm

WHO AGREES WITH ME?

To all you out there bashing about grammer, find a different discussion board. This is about Natalee and the case of her disapearance. Grow up!
# pktbk on June 24th, 2005 2:49 pm

crs-lmao!!!!!!
come on inside…i want you to watch me sweat…don’t bring the cameras in.
# Dutch on Aruba on June 24th, 2005 2:49 pm

Yeah SImian, what was found in The Hague?
# crs on June 24th, 2005 2:49 pm

******* ,yes, there was a lady on last week that there was no way Joran did it because he was so good looking and she was totally serious.
# Rachael on June 24th, 2005 2:50 pm

Joran is not an ulgy boy
# Simian on June 24th, 2005 2:50 pm

This is bad. Really bad…He has a history of making himself be something he is not.

[Lala'sMom]

This is what Fin is saying....Arubagirl is Simian or at the least, wrote the posts for Simian which was her cousin in ALE that was feeding the info to her.   There the cat is out of the bag...has been for a while...doesn't mean it's true...just info that is out there among tons and tons of info that could be right or wrong.  Is AG's cousin Steve Croes's uncle Rufo?  I thought Arubagirl's cousin was female that worked at ALE.

Now, where does that leave us?  AG's related to Steve Croes...not sure I didn't already know this but...let's continue.  Simian or AG now is willing to implicate her own relative and release Joran and K2 of any guilt.  Interesting thought. Now show me where there was a party that Steve Croes hosted at his house that night.  He was in and out of CnC's that night too and was supposed to be on the Tattoo as a night watchman...so was there a party at his house?  Who provided his alibi?  They would be the people at that party....and is he the one that Joran called?  Would that make him Daury? 

If I am incorrect Fin...please accept my apologies...but Steve Croes is there and the ex-monkey is Arubagirl.  If this is incorrect please feel free to set the record straight. TIA.

[SS]

Finbar posted this on the Persistence site.

Barry said...
Today's the day! - Mel Fisher

All My Best,
Finbar
February 8, 2008 5:57 AM


This was posted over at Greta.

Comment by BobTWA
February 9th, 2008 at 2:28 am
Comment by Finbar
February 9th, 2008 at 2:12 am
America, please please please come back to Aruba!

We go broke because a few dozen tourists died and we covered it up.

From now on we promise, no more cover up.

Of course, we still kill you.

Sincerely,

His Royal Highnass The Fetid Mongrel Arawak King(AKA Nelson “Lion King” Oduber)

Finbar,

Your post reminds me of “Achmed the dead terrorist”:. Everyone watch this, it is halarious and it’s safe, I scanned it. Somebody posted this the other night.
Bob

[texasmom]

SS,

Finbar was on other forums, way back when, IIRC.

Also, the family history page is the work of the ex-monkey, arubagirl.

If any of that helps.

I'm not SS, but thank you very much VMS!  Now it makes more sense.   

[JE]

Texas Mom,

Fin's responses are in blue:
ah ... Tio Rufo, SGC's next door neighbor? Rufo... rings a bell. Is he a neighbour?
fin thinks SGC the 5th? Why would he lie? Any reasons? Any relations to an ex-monkey?
the monkey is ex/not current? Posts the cage no more.

Rufo Solognier is the neighbor of Steve Croes and he is also his uncle.  He told reporters that he is related to Steve Croes through his wife.  This would mean that his wife is most likely the sister of Hendrik Croes or sister of the wife of Hendrik Croes. Hendrik and his wife are the grandparents of Steve Croes.  If we could identify the maiden name of Rufo Solognier's wife, we would be able to move forward.  Aruban vital records are not online.  We need someone to go to the courthouse.

This might sound a little crazy, but humor me.  The avatar that Finbar was using was a monkey smoking a cigarette.  Alex Solagnier was the one who exposed the Mansur/Harms families with their involvement in the smuggling of cigarettes and drugs during the British American Tobacco Company scandal during the 1990s.
http://www.publicintegrity.org/Report.aspx?aid=355
http://www.public-i.org/Content.aspx?src=search&context=article&id=579
http://duncan.gn.apc.org/bat/Health_Committee_Evidence_1.htm

I am still not certain about the significance of Solognier v. Solagnier.  Are they two different families or are they both descendants of Frenchman Michel Solagnier?

Can Klaas give us a compiled list of everything that Finbar posted since February?  We might be missing stuff.

SS, this can be done but it would be EXTREMELY long and they probably would not appreciate us posting it all here again.  Plus, all of the posts do not apply to what we're researching.  Follow the link that I am posting below and you can view all of Finbar's post from the beginning.  The first page will be the most recent posts and they are in order back to his beginning post.

 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=profile;u=3806;sa=showPosts

not that difficult just search members and click finbar

[COLOMBO]

he has a history of making himself something he's not

Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.

but the foundations of the house of babylon will shake
even harder if Arawak Dirty Hand is revealed

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

[Blonde]

SS
Finbar claims that he is the one who originally created this timeline of events related to the night Natalee disappeared.  He posted this on SM on 2/21.  Who is Finbar?



Finbar is NOT Arubagirl

A few of us posted together with Finbar way back when this all started.
Finbar made that timeline that was how I got it, that is why, I did not have a link.
Finbar doesn't let things go he will keep looking not stop.
Finbar thinks Arubagirl is Simian and this was his list of clues
"This is the list that Fin gave us.  We haven't figured out very much of it"

Retired ex-polis - Rufo Solognier (uncle and neighbor of Steve Cores)
Blue Blood - ?
Cousins - She is a cousin of  police
Crows - Steve Cores (?)
Curacao - ?Grandmother -
Insurance - ? What AG does for workBlogs - ?
ALE - Has cousin in
ex-monkey - no longer posts on SM  ArubaGirl

Sometimes it's hard to understand him because he lived upside down in
Antarctica Underground Bunka ,and penquin's pick at his brain.

[vms]

SS,

Finbar was on other forums, way back when, IIRC.

Also, the family history page is the work of the ex-monkey, arubagirl.

If any of that helps.

I'm not SS, but thank you very much VMS!  Now it makes more sense.   

You are welcome. I was trying not to cross the line but felt like that was important for you to know. 

[JE]

JE:

maze difficult for supposed guilty, even if innocent

the fallen judge & the singing card.......

In this case i would think the maze could mean the dutch legal system. A suspect even if innocent can be held up to 116 days. That would qualify as difficult for the innocent. BTW there were some post with the number 112 i took this to mean the dutch alarm number(like 911 in the states) but i checked that and in aruba the alarm number is 911 also.
Does anyone know if Joran was actually detained for the whole 116 days? and if so did anything significant occur on day 112 of his detention?

[vms]

SS
Finbar claims that he is the one who originally created this timeline of events related to the night Natalee disappeared.  He posted this on SM on 2/21.  Who is Finbar?



Finbar is NOT Arubagirl

A few of us posted together with Finbar way back when this all started.
Finbar made that timeline that was how I got it, that is why, I did not have a link.
Finbar doesn't let things go he will keep looking not stop.
Finbar thinks Arubagirl is Simian and this was his list of clues
"This is the list that Fin gave us.  We haven't figured out very much of it"

Retired ex-polis - Rufo Solognier (uncle and neighbor of Steve Cores)
Blue Blood - ?
Cousins - She is a cousin of  police
Crows - Steve Cores (?)
Curacao - ?Grandmother -
Insurance - ? What AG does for workBlogs - ?
ALE - Has cousin in
ex-monkey - no longer posts on SM  ArubaGirl

Sometimes it's hard to understand him because he lived upside down in
Antarctica Underground Bunka ,and penquin's pick at his brain.

Blonde,

Could you please tell him to come back and clarify? Geez, we are going need a thread to decode him. Kind of silly at this point, IMO.

[JE]

SS
Finbar claims that he is the one who originally created this timeline of events related to the night Natalee disappeared.  He posted this on SM on 2/21.  Who is Finbar?



Finbar is NOT Arubagirl

A few of us posted together with Finbar way back when this all started.
Finbar made that timeline that was how I got it, that is why, I did not have a link.
Finbar doesn't let things go he will keep looking not stop.
Finbar thinks Arubagirl is Simian and this was his list of clues
"This is the list that Fin gave us.  We haven't figured out very much of it"

Retired ex-polis - Rufo Solognier (uncle and neighbor of Steve Cores)
Blue Blood - ?
Cousins - She is a cousin of  police
Crows - Steve Cores (?)
Curacao - ?Grandmother -
Insurance - ? What AG does for workBlogs - ?
ALE - Has cousin in
ex-monkey - no longer posts on SM  ArubaGirl

Sometimes it's hard to understand him because he lived upside down in
Antarctica Underground Bunka ,and penquin's pick at his brain.

Name: Simian | Posted Jun 28, 2:18 AM
F@ck the poetry. The Simian is a frenchman. Blue blood if you should know.

I know french and trust me simian is not french his grammar is way off for him or her to be
But i think that is what fin meant

[JE]

@ Blonde


Sometimes it's hard to understand him because he lived upside down in
Antarctica Underground Bunka ,and penquin's pick at his brain.


What's with this comment??? Joke or truth?

[MumInOhio]

Kermit posted  in NAH  a list of Judges
« Reply #240 on: March 03, 2008, 05:41:11 PM »   
 
The justices on the Aruban bench:

mw. mr. E. Angela august 1st 2000
mw. mr. P. de Bruin august 1st 2000
mr. J.S. Kuiperdal
mr. P.A.H. Lemaire august 1st 2002
mr. C. Slothouber august 1st 2001
## mr. F.J.F. Gerard march 1st 2005
## mr. H.E. de Boer august 1st 2005
## mr. J.A. van Voorthuizen august 1st 2005



The justices on the Curacao bench

mw. mr. M.K. Asscheman-Versluis (since august 1st 1999)
mr. J. de Boer august 1st 1998
@ mr. R.A. Th. M. Dekkers after 2004 because at that time he was judge in The Hague
mr. W. Foppen (since august 1st 1999)
mr. L. van Gijn august 1st 2000
@ mr. L. Groefsema after 2004 because mr. L. Groefsema was a judge in Assen in 2004
@ mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad after 2004 because mw. mr. L.C. Hoefdraad at that time was a judge in the Hague
@ mr. S.M. Lieshout after 2004 because mr. S.M. Lieshout was a judge in Utrecht
mr. B.M. Mezas

@ mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen after 2004 because mr. R.F.B. van Zutphen was a judge in Amsterdam
mr. M.W. Zandbergen since may 1st 2000
@ mr. J.Th. Wit after 2004 because in 2004 he was DA in Dordrecht
mr. P. Wagemakers august 1st 2000
@ mr. R.W.J. van Veen after 2004 because in 2004 he was still a judge in Breda
mw. mr. M.M.M. Tillema september 1st 2000
@ mr. J.R. Sijmonsma after 2004
mw. mr. E.A. Saleh since august 1st 1999
mr. G.E.M. Polkamp november 1st 2000
@ mw. mr. M.H.H.A. Moes 2004 or later because in 2004 she was a judge in Almelo
mr. M.L.A. Angela since march 1st 2000
mr. A.N.G.N.E. Mijnssen since 1996, from november 2000 onwards part-time judge
mr. F.P. Wiel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 1999
@ mr. H.A.C. Smid (since march 1st 2005)
## mr. J.M.P. Drijkoningen (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.M.P. Geelhoed (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. K.J. Haarhuis (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. L. de Kerpel-van de Poel (since august 1st 2005)
## mw. mr. A.S. Gratama (since august 1st 2005)
## mr. H.L. Wattel (since september 1st 2005)
Mr. P. W. van Schendel re-appointed for 3 more years on august 1st 2005

## mr. E.M. van der Bunt february 1st 2005
## mr. dr. J.P. de Haan february 1st 2005
@ mr. J.H. Bosch august 1st 2004
@ mr. E.P. van Unen august 1st 2004
@ mr. drs. G.C.C. Lewin august 1st 2004
@ mr W.J. Noordhuizen august 1st 2004
@ mr J.Th. Drop september 1st 2004

From the 45 justices working for the Court of Aruba and the Antilles:

11 started working there after Paul van der Sloot became a suspect
15 started working there much later than Paul van der Sloot

Only 19 might be friends of Paul van der Sloot and of them 14 were Curacao justices.

[Blonde]

@ Blonde


Sometimes it's hard to understand him because he lived upside down in
Antarctica Underground Bunka ,and penquin's pick at his brain.


What's with this comment??? Joke or truth?

A little of both he might not be getting pecked on by the penquin's, but he always said he lived upside down.

VMS I just sent a  email.

[MumInOhio]

The timeline is posted here.

http://www.rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-67.html