SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[klaasend]

One more question, please.  IP addy for the Espionage posts, please.  Also, were there any Merian doppelgangers?  When are we going to get the July archives or are they there and I can't find them? TIA

Espionage was Netherlands.  I believe Merian posted at RWN didn't he/she?  If so I can't check it. 

[Lala'sMom]

One more question, please.  IP addy for the Espionage posts, please.  Also, were there any Merian doppelgangers?  When are we going to get the July archives or are they there and I can't find them? TIA

Espionage was Netherlands.  I believe Merian posted at RWN didn't he/she?  If so I can't check it. 

So how did we determine it was the same person that posted as Simian? I was under the impression that was determined to be accurate.

[Stom]

I am up to reviewing Shango just as it is written.  If that leads to curruption in Aruba then just because it comes from Shango does not mean that curruption is fictional.  As a result of reading Shango and reviewing comments from official statements by those in Aruba I do believe Van Der Straten is involved in any cover up and may have actually directed some of the activities after the fact.  Some may call that corrupt...and I would be one of them.

I don't doubt there is corruption in Aruba.  But I believe the idea we have of Aruba and the operation of corruption within the island's social structure, is an out of focus vision obtained through the lines written by a couple of posters that meant to confuse the SM audience, because he&she thought it was the "patriotic" thing to do vis-à-vis the NH investigation...you know Arubans vs. Americans.

...to rule this out or to include it would be up to where the posts take us.  People should not arbitrarily assume that conditions such as these do not exist anywhere, because there is proof all over the world that this does happen.  If the posts lead there we cannot ignore it just because we don't like it.  Do you agree?

Yes, I agree in principle, but I also have to take into consideration the ultimate intention of the individual(s) that wrote the comments and the validity of their content.  My thing with Shango is not that I dislike him, but how much I consider his comments untrustworthy.  For the purpose of these discussions, I think they are worthless.

If you already have other interpretations in mind that let's do it.  (As long as those interpretations do not suggest that Beth had her child kidnapped or Natalee just simply ran away from her "terrible' life because that is not in Shango.[/i] .)

I have never considered this a possibility. The problem I have with all the Shango "sociological" implications and their discussions is precisely that is forces one to loose focus of the VdS's and whomever helped them, consciously or not.

[Stom]

Presumably, Shango began posting June 26th, but I think he just evolved into that personality.  He had already begun to pick on the Simian much earlier. The Simian’s writing style was pretty straight forward and in the comments that appear below, a few not corresponding to his mode of communication, are included.  I believe the comments in red are Shango’s, because of the way they are written, because of Simian’s subtle rebuttals and open admission that there is a phony around.

I have lost track of those comments that over time have been identified as not Simian’s.  Sorry, if I am being repetitive.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:55 pm
The confrontation is going down. “You made me lie.” “You conspired against me.” “Coward.”

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:57 pm
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John. The fires will burn all around on the island. The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.

I’m leaving…

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The battle is coming

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The end is near and bodies are washing upon the shore……………

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:05 pm
Don’t try and hack the Simian. We smoke Nederweed. Genetically enigineered.

No battle. The man on the inside will call soon. The confrontation will last all night. The boy’s arrogance will be his downfall.

I’m leaving now.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father. It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure. I am done. I am leaving now…..

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:12 pm
A whiskered rat will pause in repose, and then drink a cup of gravy.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:16 pm
The pottery need not break and yet the pack still may panic. I am leaving. I am done.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:22 pm
A thousand suns will pass….then maybe Born2Be will be allowed back on this site.

I am done. [/color]

[Stom]

June 25th is the first time the term Babylonians was used in the FP discussions.  The word was used in what seem like a bona fide Simian comment, because it is written in a straightforward manner.  As is has been assumed, within the context of this comment, Babylonians means ALE.

On this day also, the Simian was being harassed by a fraud whose intention were to purposely confuse other posters.  I think here we also have fraudulent Simian comments by Shango (in red).

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
…they boys met around the pool in Montaña.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:57 pm
Just got info the plane has arrived they are going to the courts

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:01 pm
The Simian is leaving. There’s a doppelganger.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut.

The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. The though they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened.

The cowboys gave themselves 10 days. One down.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:37 pm
What does the music man know? He was seen. He was mentioned by the boy.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:41 pm
The boy is biting off his own tongue. The Babylonians are stunned. What possesses such a boy?
Most federales have left. The puzzle is nearly done. The one piece is missing. They need the cowboys help.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:57 pm
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.
The boy knows his father knows the way. He’s been inside the palace for many years. It has worked before. This time too much is at stake. This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.
The music man is singing. The Simian can’t understand the words.
A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue. Swollen and thick. This boy is lost.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:16 pm
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:26 pm
The Babylonians gave free reign to the cowboys for a reason.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:32 pm
The Babylonians hands are not dirty.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:46 pm
The Hindus are not completely clean, but the Babylonians need them.
The are only so many halls in the palace. The gates are shutting down, but they need to be kept shut.
Checkmate is in place, but the game is not over yet.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:55 pm
Some alibis need to be broken.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:06 pm
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:14 pm
The Babylonians cared only for their gold and did not hear the Sumerians plot their demise. In the morning, at the point it was realized, it was too late.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:16 pm
Again, the Simian has a doppelganger.
Can’t compromise the whisperer on the line.
Signing off.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:28 pm
The Simian is sorry, but as long as there are impersonators there will be no more clues.

[Lala'sMom]

Presumably, Shango began posting June 26th, but I think he just evolved into that personality.  He had already begun to pick on the Simian much earlier. The Simian’s writing style was pretty straight forward and in the comments that appear below, a few not corresponding to his mode of communication, are included.  I believe the comments in red are Shango’s, because of the way they are written, because of Simian’s subtle rebuttals and open admission that there is a phony around.

I have lost track of those comments that over time have been identified as not Simian’s.  Sorry, if I am being repetitive.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:49 pm
The phone call to the father was made at 4:00 in the morning. No wonder he was late for school.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:51 pm
Remember when they were pumping the pond by the Marriott? That is what they need to do in Montaña Noord.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:55 pm
The confrontation is going down. “You made me lie.” “You conspired against me.” “Coward.”

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 5:57 pm
The waters are low. The street are full. The night of Saint John. The fires will burn all around on the island. The smoke will clear tomorrow morning.

I’m leaving…

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:00 pm
born 2 be wild: The Simian use a Mac.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:01 pm
The battle is coming

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:02 pm
The end is near and bodies are washing upon the shore……………

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:05 pm
Don’t try and hack the Simian. We smoke Nederweed. Genetically enigineered.

No battle. The man on the inside will call soon. The confrontation will last all night. The boy’s arrogance will be his downfall.

I’m leaving now.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father. It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure. I am done. I am leaving now…..

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:12 pm
A whiskered rat will pause in repose, and then drink a cup of gravy.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:13 pm
Ally, alguien se esta pasando de impostor. Comprometiendo mi abilidad de darles informacion. Lo siento. No puedo dejarme al descubierto. Pasa la informacion a los demas.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:16 pm
The pottery need not break and yet the pack still may panic. I am leaving. I am done.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:22 pm
A thousand suns will pass….then maybe Born2Be will be allowed back on this site.

I am done. [/color]

I am sure Klaas would be happy to let us know if those posts in red originated from the Shango IP.  Let's ask her.

[klaasend]

Lala's - you mean you want to know if the Simian posts originated from the Shango IP?

[klaasend]

None of the Simian posts in red above are from Simian OR Shango.  They are all FAKES.  The first two the IP is Denver, Colorado.  The last three are blocked but could be (based upon the email addy used) from Florida but not even close to the IP that Shango always used.

So...all those in RED are SIMIAN imposters.

[vms]

One more question, please.  IP addy for the Espionage posts, please.  Also, were there any Merian doppelgangers?  When are we going to get the July archives or are they there and I can't find them? TIA

Espionage was Netherlands.  I believe Merian posted at RWN didn't he/she?  If so I can't check it. 

I might not be following...

Merian posted at SM on the codetalker's thread mostly, IIRC. I have those posts, Klaas. What do you need to find him? Post date and time?

[Elaine]

Thank you Klaas.  I knew you'd understand what I was asking.   

Now, let's think about this...same IP, different email addy. hmmmmm.  Suspected Simian was a doppelganger because of the way they phrased the sentence.  I know some don't think this to be true, but Shango knew Simian.  Simian knew Shango.  With computers and the internet, you are no longer required to be where you say you are.   Some thoughts to ponder:

Who were the messengers?
What was the code AllyinMiami used with Simian?
Did she also have a way of knowing about Shango?
Did the fake Simian ever say anything of value? 
Why did it matter to Shango if there was more than one Simian? 
Which posters from Aruba did Shango post with more often? 
Does Simian ever post angry?  (It's there, look for it.)
Why does Shango feel the need to post under a different nickname?
Does Simian ever get the chance to turn the tables on Shango?
Why is Simian so surprised that someone is impersonating him?

and last but not least....

Did Shango ever have a doppelganger that posted as Shango??

One thing to take note of, the posting on the front page of SM does not require you to put in a working email address, so you can make one up.  Just saying that a different email address doesn't really mean much.  Same IP, unless it's AOL does.

There were definately some Shango posers on other sites and I'll check later today if there were some at SM.  The IP (Florida) of Shango has 3 or 4 email addys and two nicknames attached to it on the front page of SM:  SHANGO & ROBALO33

THat is very interesting.

[klaasend]

One more question, please.  IP addy for the Espionage posts, please.  Also, were there any Merian doppelgangers?  When are we going to get the July archives or are they there and I can't find them? TIA

Espionage was Netherlands.  I believe Merian posted at RWN didn't he/she?  If so I can't check it. 

I might not be following...

Merian posted at SM on the codetalker's thread mostly, IIRC. I have those posts, Klaas. What do you need to find him? Post date and time?

If she/he posted at SM in June 2005 I can find the posts and see the IP.  Just having the date/time isn't enough.  What was the date of the posts?

[vms]

One more question, please.  IP addy for the Espionage posts, please.  Also, were there any Merian doppelgangers?  When are we going to get the July archives or are they there and I can't find them? TIA

Espionage was Netherlands.  I believe Merian posted at RWN didn't he/she?  If so I can't check it. 

I might not be following...

Merian posted at SM on the codetalker's thread mostly, IIRC. I have those posts, Klaas. What do you need to find him? Post date and time?

If she/he posted at SM in June 2005 I can find the posts and see the IP.  Just having the date/time isn't enough.  What was the date of the posts?

First post I have:

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:30 am    Post subject: This yellowhammer has flown her own course   
The Babylonians' hands are tied. The owners of the hammer and the block will come down hard. The hours in the glass are 72.

The girl was carried by the Carib on a trip to the Canal. She was swept away on her own. So they seem to think.

The Picaros are too busy to pull off such a job. It is beyond there scope.

The one crowned with laurels has been turned inside and out. He even asked for forgiveness.

This yellowhammer has flown her own course.



Last post I have:

Merian Ernest Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:28 pm    Post subject: Dubbelspel   
Choose sides to avoid embarrassment.

The boy bit his tongue. For he is water as to the blood of the others. Ganga is hanging her head down.

The silent antennas have spoken of the forked tongues.

You see, the dogs found the grid. The cowboys should have unleashed them. That was a mistake. Gloat is the enemy of many brilliant men.

[Lala'sMom]

Thank you Klaas. That is exactly what I wanted to know.  I appreciate all your help. 

[klaasend]

VMS - those posts aren't in the current archive of old posts then.  I cannot research the IP's on those.

You're welcome Lala's

[COLOMBO]

to 'Chata":     




Robalo:
http://www.oneternalpatrol.com/uss-robalo-273.htm

[Lala'sMom]

I clearly remember when we first separated the Simian posts into real and fake ones.  Several of us commented on them and then someone said the real ones sounded similar to the Merian Ernest posts.  Klaas, didn't you tell us they were the same IP addresses??  I know I am not imagining this....does anyone else remember this??

[JuJu]

Klaas did say that Merian and Simian were the same IP

[Ree]

June 25th is the first time the term Babylonians was used in the FP discussions.  The word was used in what seem like a bona fide Simian comment, because it is written in a straightforward manner.  As is has been assumed, within the context of this comment, Babylonians means ALE.

On this day also, the Simian was being harassed by a fraud whose intention were to purposely confuse other posters.  I think here we also have fraudulent Simian comments by Shango (in red).

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:56 pm
…they boys met around the pool in Montaña.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:57 pm
Just got info the plane has arrived they are going to the courts

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.

The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:01 pm
The Simian is leaving. There’s a doppelganger.

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 8:21 pm
The Simian knows the Babylonians. They need to plan the legal checkmate perfectly. They know that the elder knows his way around the palace. All gates need to be shut.

The Hindus don’t know that the elder knows what happened. The though they did the boy a favor by protecting him. The Hindus don’t know what happened.

The cowboys gave themselves 10 days. One down.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:37 pm
What does the music man know? He was seen. He was mentioned by the boy.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:41 pm
The boy is biting off his own tongue. The Babylonians are stunned. What possesses such a boy?
Most federales have left. The puzzle is nearly done. The one piece is missing. They need the cowboys help.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:57 pm
The Babylonians might release the Hindus.
The boy knows his father knows the way. He’s been inside the palace for many years. It has worked before. This time too much is at stake. This time there was someone there to hear the tree fall.
The music man is singing. The Simian can’t understand the words.
A bloody tongue is a bloody tongue. Swollen and thick. This boy is lost.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:16 pm
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:26 pm
The Babylonians gave free reign to the cowboys for a reason.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:32 pm
The Babylonians hands are not dirty.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:46 pm
The Hindus are not completely clean, but the Babylonians need them.
The are only so many halls in the palace. The gates are shutting down, but they need to be kept shut.
Checkmate is in place, but the game is not over yet.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:55 pm
Some alibis need to be broken.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:06 pm
There is whisperer on the line. The sword of Damocles will soon fall. I can’t say whose on the throne.
Did he think he could rule forever from his hideaway?
All along the gamblers knew who he was.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:14 pm
The Babylonians cared only for their gold and did not hear the Sumerians plot their demise. In the morning, at the point it was realized, it was too late.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:16 pm
Again, the Simian has a doppelganger.
Can’t compromise the whisperer on the line.
Signing off.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:28 pm
The Simian is sorry, but as long as there are impersonators there will be no more clues.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:16 pm
Again, the Simian has a doppelganger.
Can’t compromise the whisperer on the line.
Signing off.

I am assuming the whisperer is Simian.  How would having an imposter compromise him?

[MsVada]

With computers and the internet, you are no longer required to be where you say you are.   Some thoughts to ponder:

Who were the messengers?
What was the code AllyinMiami used with Simian?


AllyinMiami always spoke spanish with Simian to verify he was the real Simian.  She did this on the codetalkers thread on more than one occasion.  I personally had a confrontation with her over there when I asked her how she knew whether Simian was real or a doppleganger. 

Ms.Vada

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas did say that Merian and Simian were the same IP

Thanks.  I was beginning to think I had traveled to another dimension in which things were not as they seem.