SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[klaasend]

Klaas did say that Merian and Simian were the same IP

What I said was that Merian (RWV) and Simian (SM) were using the same email address.  I couldn't see Merian's IP at RWV.

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Klaas. I was trying to remember what it was. 

[Tylergal]

Robalo33

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

Is Robala saying that Simian is a woman, "I would love to spend my time in a better way with a woman like you, Simian...."

[Tylergal]

Regards the key, I was reading something from the Birmingham paper on June 15 and it implies the chief of police cannot find the key (and I could never discern what the writer meant) about the chief of police could not find the key but he was referring to being on Aruba on that fateful night 6/10/05 and 6/11/05 and the chief was going to give a press conference and there were millions of reporters, press people, media, etc., but the Chief could not find the key.  He never stated what key he was talking about, it was more of trying to get atmosphere into the article than anything else but "the key" and the "chief of police" caught my eye.  I read and read and still no clue about the "key."

[Stom]

None of the Simian posts in red above are from Simian OR Shango.  They are all FAKES.  The first two the IP is Denver, Colorado.  The last three are blocked but could be (based upon the email addy used) from Florida but not even close to the IP that Shango always used.

So...all those in RED are SIMIAN imposters.

Klassend,

I think the indicated comments were written by Shango, because they were written in a "literary" manner that Shango assumed subsequently.  A different IP doesn't exclude Shango posting as Simian.  It just means that the comment came from elsewhere, other than the predominant Florida IP address.

Thank you for your confirmation of the fraudulent comments.

[Stom]

Shango’s mockery began on June 25th , by rephrasing Simian terminologies, or alluding to the Simian's thematic.

First, Shango referred to Babylonian/Babylon as a fake (in red), and as of June 26th, as himself.  Either way, the context within which Shango used the term is totally divorced from the Simian’s meaning.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:14 pm
The Babylonians cared only for their gold and did not hear the Sumerians plot their demise. In the morning, at the point it was realized, it was too late.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian…

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:14 pm
Simian, The Sumerians do not like the Babylonian intrusion.
The Babylonian card may be tossed from the table and crushed under Sumerian feet (or feat)….

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:40 pm
The key does not exist
The Arawaks knew Babylonian involvement would prove futile
That is why the cowboys left the fort and a searching with the indians

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:43 pm
The fallen judge agreed to sing because he can hum any tune
He needs to sing for his son, or see the end of his babylonian offspring

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

[Stom]

Shango purposely used the term DirtyHands contrary to the Simian’s statement, because at this point in time, the objective was most likely to discredit the Simian.  The Shango partners were probably angry at the Simian for giving information about the case and Aruba, and they set out to confuse information seekers.

Below, the posts where the Simian and Shango first used "hands" and "dirty":

Simian on June 25th, 2005 9:32 pm
The Babylonians hands are not dirty.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.
Many teepees fall. No Wampum.
Cowboys eat Sacrifice. Arawaks eat sacrifice.
Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.
Cowboys happy, but unrest in the halls of the palace
Babylon owes the Arawaks!

[Stom]

On June 26th, Shango impersonates Simian(in red) once more and makes a point of telling the latter that he has done so:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
The cowboys have only so much gold. The territory is rough. There are many secrets, but the Arawaks are helping.

The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire

[truthseeker2]

Stom,

You said: Shango’s mockery began on June 25th , by rephrasing Simian terminologies, or alluding to the Simian's thematic.

First, Shango referred to Babylonian/Babylon as a fake (in red), and as of June 26th, as himself.  Either way, the context within which Shango used the term is totally divorced from the Simian’s meaning.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 10:14 pm
The Babylonians cared only for their gold and did not hear the Sumerians plot their demise. In the morning, at the point it was realized, it was too late.

I do not read this as Shango/Simian referring to Babylonian/Babylon as a fake.  I see this as Shango/Simian indicating that the interests of Babylonians/Babylon is only in wealth.  They are more concerned about the tourist trade and the negative impact that would affect their investments.  I think this is where we see the internal struggle that goes on in Aruba between the ‘ruling class’ and the rest of the people.  I believe Sumerians refers to the same group that is referred to as Arawaks.  Many believe Shango was referring to the natives on Aruba.  Could be, but I would add that Arawaks could also be not just island natives but the ‘non-ruling class’ who are not closely connected to political parties and large business.  Basically, your regular working class people. (this is not unique to Aruba, this goes on everywhere)  I believe ALE has many Arawaks/Sumerians. 

This is the last post I find where the term Sumerian(s) is used.  From then on the term Arawak was used by both posters.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:18 pm
Simian, why was the key from the Babylons Palace not used to open the Sumerians Door ?
They have become famished and Eden is beckoning….

As far as the remaining posts, I do not see Shango calling anyone fake.  I do see him identifying a problem between Babylonians and Sumerians, (also called Arawaks).  These posts say to me that the people in Aruba do not have confidence in the ruling class, those making the decisions.

Maybe I have misunderstood what you meant by ‘fake’.   If so, please enlighten me as to what you intended for us to see.

Also, since you say Shango/Simian’s use of the term is divvorced from Simian’s meaning, what so you believe Simian’s meaning actually was?

[truthseeker2]

On June 26th, Shango impersonates Simian(in red) once more and makes a point of telling the latter that he has done so:

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
The cowboys have only so much gold. The territory is rough. There are many secrets, but the Arawaks are helping.

The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:04 pm
The wire has been shaken. The bird has left.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:10 pm
The system is built so that innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:11 pm
The system is built so that the innocent are always protected. One shred of doubt is enough to thrown a case out.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:12 pm
Cowboys must behave in Indian territory
The arawaks need pemmican, they have been without wampum, 1 Moon
The Arawaks keep the singing card
One singing Babylonian and two Hindu chanters are enough
His lordships presence guarantees a trio
The key to edens door did not exist
The refrain has already begun

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:14 pm
Simian your Dopple has resumed position
Bird on the wire

The post in red has been identified as coming from the real Simian, not an imposter or Shango.  In fact, all of the Simian posts between June 26th, 2005 at 3:27 pm and June 26th, 2005 4:14 pm have been identified as the real Simian.

[truthseeker2]

Since a post from June 25th has been introduced here I thought it would be prudent to review the discussion of that day on that thread.  It's about the cars and evidence in the cars.

Checkme on June 25th, 2005 6:53 pm
fluids were found in the karpoe’s honda

Checkme on June 25th, 2005 6:55 pm
1. Karpoes car
2. vdS Jeep
3. vdS family car

Simian on June 25th, 2005 6:57 pm
The phone call made in the small hours.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.
The boy is mutilating his own tongue. He doesn’t want to let the old man down.

edie on June 25th, 2005 7:29 pm
Someone said her body fluids, but I think they have said it was not blood

Peter on June 25th, 2005 7:34 pm
That would mean she was in the car, AND co-operative. We already know she was in the car. Doesn’t really help much, or am I missing something??

Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:36 pm
In the other car.


Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:50 pm
Only one piece is missing.
Around the pool the Hindus were told what to say. They did not know why. They were asked to protect the boy. The father was not there, but he knew what to do.
The Hindus thought the girl would reappear.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:54 pm
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:57 pm
Just got info the plane has arrived they are going to the courts (not the real Simian)

Simian on June 25th, 2005 7:59 pm
The fires burned high and bright. Even Saint John denied he knew. The smoke will clear soon. The elder can’t deny. The son can’t talk. He is biting off his tongue. His sore and bloody tongue.
The hope rests on the cowboys finding their own.

Simian on June 25th, 2005 8:01 pm
The Simian is leaving. There’s a doppelganger.

[klaasend]

IMO - if I had a choice in believing one or the other, either Simian or Shango, I would pick Simian. 

[truthseeker2]

I think from the perspective of Simian telling people what was happening inside the investigation, I agree with you Klaas.  But, I do think Simian lost his contact, "bird on a wire", and there is no way to tell, even if he had a contact inside the investigation, why they were unable to get to the truth.

[truthseeker2]

Klaas,

Can you tell if this post was from the real Simian?  It was not highlighted in red in Stom's post.  I do not see it in the Real Simian thread.  Can you tell if the IP address or email addy matches and of the Shango posts?  It doesn't really sound like Shango.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father. It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure. I am done. I am leaving now…..

[klaasend]

Klaas,

Can you tell if this post was from the real Simian?  It was not highlighted in red in Stom's post.  I do not see it in the Real Simian thread.  Can you tell if the IP address or email addy matches and of the Shango posts?  It doesn't really sound like Shango.

Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 6:06 pm
I ponder the evidence of sex and drugs with the father. It was to hard for her and she could not handle the pressure. I am done. I am leaving now…..

FAKE - IP from Denver and a different email addy than the "real" Simian always used.

[truthseeker2]

From the real Simian:

 Name: Simian | Posted Jun 30, 11:01 AM
The Simian got friggin’ tired. I.e. the Simian never mentioned any Sumerians. What does that mean? By the way, in Caribbean slang the “Babylon” is the Police.

[Tylergal]

I have been saying that for more than 2 years that in Caribbean the police are referred to as Babylonians, and do you think anyone ever acknowledged that?  Glad you noticed.   

[sharon]

Hi Tylergal!


Just a few excerpts............


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=babylon

1. Babylon 
 
Used to indicate a strong and powerful, yet corrupted and immoral place. A city in bible propecy. Some believe it may be the future fate of the United States. Prophecies:

2. babylon 

The state, the system, particularly when corrupt or authoritarian. Also the police, as they are the agents of the threat of force that the state derives it's power from.


3. babylon 
 
A term originating from Jamaica to describe the police


7. Babylon 
 
Word used by Jamaicans to discribe the pOlice
Or by others as indication of the corrupt legal system reps

Them babylon mon!
The dogs of Babylon!




http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=babylonians

1. babylonians 
 
see babylons, ~> a whole mountain range of breasts

"i'd love to stroll accross her babylonians"


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=babylons

3. babylons   
The police.

Dem babylons be after m'ganja!

 


 


 

 


 

[vms]

I have been saying that for more than 2 years that in Caribbean the police are referred to as Babylonians, and do you think anyone ever acknowledged that?  Glad you noticed.   

Huh? This was discussed in depth on the codetalker's thread.

[sharon]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Beto


And let's not forget that 'Beto' is Jamie C's 'nic name'.

I know -- this is the wrong thread.

Maybe we should have a thread with all the references from the urban/caribbean dictionary that appear in the j2k statements.