SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

Dan has supposedly been working on this for most of the night of  Junes 13, 2005.  Keep in mind this was before he turned dark side on everyone and seemed to go off the deep end or at least before he let his site go off the deep end.  Thought some would like to see it...talks about several things of interest.


Posted by Whitney
June 14, 1:14 AM


Here if you can't get on:


I Apologize

Certain facts demanded re-confirming - now done. There is much more coming. I will complete this tonight, I promise. I had no intention of doing a partial post and if you wish, please go to bed. It will be here in the AM. Arrgh! And my editor has gone to bed, so forgive me. Excuse any typos.

Initial part:

The trip from Mountain Brook, Georgia to Aruba was not an official "school" trip, but an organized celebration for a group of mostly carefree and deservedly celebratory seniors from Mountain Brook High School, as well as some attendees from other surrounding schools. The last a fact that has gone mostly unreported.

While adults were involved in the organization of the trip, waivers were signed by students, and or parents, as appropriate. While adult chaperons traveled along for general oversight, it was reasonably clear and well established that, excepting for a clear and known emergency, the bold, bright faces of MBHS were, in some ways, almost striking out on their own for their very first time in an island paradise considered at least as safe as the streets of many American towns.  They were celebrating years of hard work and sacrifice paid to earn their way into, in many cases, some of the better colleges of America.

Mountain Brook is home to a class of people some would describe as too well-off and perhaps a bit over-privileged; while still others will tell you it is the heart of an America that works hard for its money, establishes and runs banks and various businesses and fuels the great engine of commerce which funds the American dream.

Sun-tanned and not-rested, much as any bright new life might find itself glowing after a mostly uneventful but fully enjoyable trip, seniors were expected to be in the lobby of the Holiday Inn by 10:30 on Monday morning to assemble for the journey home. One young blond face of a reportedly mostly shy girl named Natalee Holloway never did join the gathering there.

Assuming she had simply stayed the night in another room with other friends, Natalee's roommates gathered up her belongings - luggage, purse, cell phone, and passport, bringing them down to the now crowding lobby in preparation for their flight home.  As the bus began to load, adults began to ask questions of the seniors as to why the missing Natalee might not be there. Her friends stated that she had left Carlos and Charlies with a local boy.
 
It was decided that the students and 6 of the 7 chaperons for the trip would go on to the airport so as to not miss their flight back home. Many of the chaperones were veterans of the trip as it had become almost a ritual having been undertaken without incident for the past five, or so years. The remaining chaperone, who was not my source for this story, kept her belongings, including cell phone, in case she turned up at the hotel.

Had she made a youthful misjudgment, maybe over-slept somewhere? Or, was she perhaps simply too embarrassed for having made a choice many might characterize as unusual for the girl? It's impossible to under-speculate as to what thoughts likely passed through the mind of a presumably worried chaperone sitting alone in a hotel lobby waiting for the return of an increasingly missed young girl.

Local police were first notified of the situation at approximately 11:30 AM, one hour after the seniors scheduled departure from the hotel lobby.  A member of the beach patrol was dispatched to take a report and collect a copy of her passport for identification purposes.

Hotel staff interacted with the chaperone, answering questions and putting forth possible explanations prior to the travel agent for the trip being contacted at approximately 2PM. That is believed to be close to the time of the departing flight, though the exact time of the flight is unconfirmed. The travel agent then contacted Natalee's family.

The parents and several high profile Birmingham business men left Birmingham around 4:30 CST on a private jet owned by one of the men, G. Ruffner Page, Jr., President of McWane Inc. - one of Alabama's s largest private companies.  The private plane is owned by the company.  Natalee's parents placed several calls regarding the troubling developments prior to their departure for Aruba. AT approximately 5:00 CST a member of the US DEA contacted the remaining chaperone.  The DEA representative was on Aruba on another matter and the two individuals agreed to meet that evening back at the Holiday Inn.

By now the seniors, save one notable exception were back in Atlanta and several received incoming calls from Aruba from Natalee's cell phone. Unfortunately, what some thought was the re-appearance of their missing friend turned out to be more questions about her disappearance from the chaperone back in Aruba. Attempting to provide as much helpful information as possible the chaperone was informed that the boy with whom Natalee left Carlos and Charlies was somewhat known for having had played poker with several of their male classmates during the course of the trip. They identified the local boy only as Joran.

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[Lala'sMom]

Interesting! Some light reading for New Year’s Day and seeing Simian told me to look it up, I did. May be our ‘bird on the wire’! I don't think these links will work and the last one has a must read article by Ms JA, the friend of mine and Frank's.


The 10-year agreements governing these facilities limit their use to counter-drug missions, mainly those of aircraft seeking to detect and monitor illegal drug-smuggling in the huge “transit zone” between the Andes and the United States’ southern border.
The agreements governing all three sites will be up for renewal within the next four years


news.nacla.org/2007/09/18/monitoring-the-us-military-presence-in-latin-america/



Forward Operating Location (FOL). Funding was provided to maintain and operate the FOL in Aruba. This FOL
consists of 1 facility which is a building. FOL Aruba provides an overflow capability to facilitate counterdrug detection and monitoring operations within the USSOUTHCOM AOR. FOL Aruba provides communication and contracting support to aircrews. (PC9500) Total FY05 Funding: $1.534M. Cost breakout is as follows:
·   Bandwidth expense ($500K) ·   
             Civil engineering/contracting support to building/ramp projects ($552K)
·   Direct support to include Air Expeditionary Forces Communication person per diem and travel, lodging, environmental baseline study, and miscellaneous contracts ($430K)
·   Air Combat Command Program Management System expense ($50K)
·   Base operating support contract support ($2K)

http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000347.htm








Interesting article from someone we have discussed. Very interesting!


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf

Thanks Mum...I am trying to figure how to just capture that one article and post it.  It is very interesting...especially the part about the DEA....thanks.

[MumInOhio]

Interesting! Some light reading for New Year’s Day and seeing Simian told me to look it up, I did. May be our ‘bird on the wire’! I don't think these links will work and the last one has a must read article by Ms JA, the friend of mine and Frank's.


The 10-year agreements governing these facilities limit their use to counter-drug missions, mainly those of aircraft seeking to detect and monitor illegal drug-smuggling in the huge “transit zone” between the Andes and the United States’ southern border.
The agreements governing all three sites will be up for renewal within the next four years


news.nacla.org/2007/09/18/monitoring-the-us-military-presence-in-latin-america/



Forward Operating Location (FOL). Funding was provided to maintain and operate the FOL in Aruba. This FOL
consists of 1 facility which is a building. FOL Aruba provides an overflow capability to facilitate counterdrug detection and monitoring operations within the USSOUTHCOM AOR. FOL Aruba provides communication and contracting support to aircrews. (PC9500) Total FY05 Funding: $1.534M. Cost breakout is as follows:
·   Bandwidth expense ($500K) ·   
             Civil engineering/contracting support to building/ramp projects ($552K)
·   Direct support to include Air Expeditionary Forces Communication person per diem and travel, lodging, environmental baseline study, and miscellaneous contracts ($430K)
·   Air Combat Command Program Management System expense ($50K)
·   Base operating support contract support ($2K)

http://www.ciponline.org/colombia/blog/archives/000347.htm








Interesting article from someone we have discussed. Very interesting!


http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/48722.pdf

Thanks Mum...I am trying to figure how to just capture that one article and post it.  It is very interesting...especially the part about the DEA....thanks.

Klaas should be able to tell you, I know there's something a little weird with pdf's. But I recall her telling Ibe how to do it once.

OK...lots of reading here too, maybe it's time to start discussing, but I'll post these first.

Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and ....I accidently snipped this, but it said his friends had been seen around. I believe it was Jaime and Freddy from other things that I've posted.

[MumInOhio]

This post has been bothering me ever since I started reading here and when Rembrandt was mentioned this week on the other thread, I decided to revisit it.
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Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.
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If you search Rembrandt and florin and coin, you'll get lots of hits, but I don't think this one has anything to do with Lorenzo. On the back of all the coins I looked at I found the coat of arms.

From Wiki:

The Coat of Arms of Aruba was originally designed in Amsterdam in 1955. Since then it has been in use as the national symbol of Aruba. There are seven main elements to the symbol:

The lion at the top of the crest symbolizes power.
A white cross on the crest that also serves to divide the crest into four quadrants is representative of devotion to faith.
Below the crest is a pair of laurel leaves, traditional symbols of peace.
The upper right quadrant of the crest depicts Hooiberg, the most recognizable hill of Aruba, and the second highest hill as well.
Below it, in the lower right quadrant a wheel represents industry.
In the upper left quadrant is an aloe plant, aloe being a source of income for the island, and its first important export.
Finally, the lower left quadrant depicts hands shaking, symbolic of Aruba's good relations with the world.


So who runs the show? The lions, the industry-tourism,hotels or the owner of the aloe plant.( I thought I read a long time ago that this was a relative of Posner).We have references to dens: (This is reported to be a fake), regardless if it is or isn't it intrigues me.

124: Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

[MumInOhio]

Automatically translated text:   
On Sunday, June 19, 2005 19:33 wrote milagro the following:

     [..]

     Ms. strange it is, yes.

     That son has a kind of thought I appartementje own, to his parents' house, own entrance therefore, I assume, so I assume again, that zoonlief can come and go without Ma and Pa in the eye, and how or what Who etc.


     Zoonlief to 06.30 tomorrow benefited from the 5th suspect, which is only recently revealed, it is that the 5th man now suspected,.
     Mss want them now only know from Dad or something he noticed that morning and drive to a third party or something

I thought that this is the fourth suspect was one Steven Croes? Question wondering what is true of these two Dutch (not surinaamse) brothers and a colombiaan suspected? I think half of that island is suspected, how many people live there?

In short, strange mess with all these stories that you read, they sleuren more and more people, to the son of youknowwho to save ofzo. There is no ass of the whole story, and I wonder whether it only by the news of the amerikanen. I think there is also something very tilted sits on Aruba (skating them there are ash, and also straight or tilted?)



http://forum.fok.nl/topic/716218

*******...Thanks....The two Dutch brothers and a Columbian could be Koen and Sander, or Joran and Lorenzo? and Jaime? I'm beginning to think the Gottenbos boys may be up to their eyeballs in this.  Lala's posted on the other thread yesterday a post about two arrests on 6/11. Somebodies,IMO more than one, are being protected big time and it certainly isn't the Kalpoes.

Been reading the old front page posts and things really started to heat up out there on June 6th, when Gabe Leo started posting. J2Ks weren't even arrested until June 9th.

[MumInOhio]

I have been rereading early archives...once again...looking for something found a few interesting tidbits I thought I would post here. 

NativeLingo
Rumor of Breaking News
« Reply #963 on: June 13, 2005, 11:16:02 PM »
   
To recap:

JVD told one of the guards that he was dropped at home after CnC....
brothers were left w/ Nat

Deepak told the other guard that they went to Arashi/lighthouse, and that afterards they dropped Joran and NH at the fishermen's hut. After an hour or so Joran sent a msg to the brothers saying that they needed to meet....


Simian Says: June 24th, 2005 at 3:54 pm
I can confirm they are there. The 3 of them. Remember the Kalpoes know nothing they were informed aournd the pool deck by Joran.

I'm beginning to think that this is at least a possibility! Will have to revisit the other posts referencing the Kalpoes with this in mind.

[MumInOhio]

The 10-year agreements governing these facilities limit their use to counter-drug missions, mainly those of aircraft seeking to detect and monitor illegal drug-smuggling in the huge “transit zone” between the Andes and the United States’ southern border.
The agreements governing all three sites will be up for renewal within the next four years

news.nacla.org/2007/09/18/monitoring-the-us-military-presence-in-latin-america/


This could be the reason the delegation came from Aruba to meet with Senior US officials. No matter what they saw or heard they could not use it for anything other than counter-drug enforcement. IMO...they know and cannot use it! That would sure make those Arubans a little cocky, don't you think?

[MumInOhio]

Last one...from the Lorenzo thread...thanks *******

Rob posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:52:13 PM:
Joran stayed at Lorenzos in the days before Natalee went missing...everyone was gone to Holland but joran.. he stayed there with Lorenzo....Im getting some more info on this but I will wait to get the whole story before saying anymore...

GrannyToad posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM:
Rob you just knocked me flat over. I hate when you do that.


Rob posted on July 17, 2006 at 08:59:36 PM:
Sorry GT.. I dont know everything yet.. I do know that much so far...he was totally unaccounted for while the rest of the family was out of town...I suspect he was driving a vehicle owned by someone other that a family member.. he was getting around some how...He was going to the casino and other events, and he wasnt relying on deeeeepak for all of those rides...

He is a close associate of lorenzo, who also just had his name de-capitalized.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4095.msg130307#msg130307

I will talk to you later about Vadir Van Loen. Someone Named HARRY is getting him mixed up with my Pal, Lorenzo Van Rijn.
;^)
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October 6, 2005

Beth Twitty appeared on Catherine Crier to talk about the Deepak interview among other things. The two discussed the current relationship between Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. At the moment Joran is in the Netherlands while the two brothers reside in Aruba. We also learn that Joran has a half-brother in Aruba who is a known DRUG DEALER. Beth notes that the brother is a possible suspect.

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 A poster from Aruba on Scared Monkeys is claiming that in addition to SGC, there was another guy detained yesterday. This other guy, Lorenzo, is known to be wild and crazy, especially since his father killed himself a few years ago, according to the poster.

     The other person, a "Lorenzo" who was allegedly questioned yesterday, is a crazy dude whose father owned the local VW dealership but the father offed himself a few years ago.

              --------------------------------------------------

And this from Sharon:quote:

Thanks for all this *******. I rarely strayed from SM back then. 

I posted several old FP articles earlier (in this thread I think).

All seem to report the same information. But are never specific as to WHO. There is so much confusion about the reporting of the 'arrest', 'detainment' 'questioning' pf Steve Croes and Lorenzo.

So...which one???

He is a friend of Jorans's? (joran says he does not know Croes -- so the deduction is Lorenzo)

His father committed suicide? (we're told this is Lorenzo)

His father is a promonent businessman. (that only leaves Croes???)

He was brought in due to the (witness) statements of 2 Dutch brothers? (must be Lorenzo because Croes 'volunteered' the info. The Dutch brothers -- must be Koen and Sander who mentioned Lorenzo -- but why?)

The information over these 2 'questionings is way more convoluted than what we've come to expect from the land of liars. Who is being protected in this 'branch' of the coverup tree? And why? We certainly don't find much from/about Koen either. They're all involved in some way -- knowledgeable about SOME aspect of the case. The drugging. The assault. The filming. The death. The disappearance. The disappearance. The disappearance.
 
 

[MumInOhio]

Re Steve Croes and the discussion of the two dogs last night. – posted in the other thread, but added Simian’s mentions of fetid.

Joran says Deepak came with two dogs. San posted a link to GVC’s with two big dogs. Koen’s house has a big gate which could keep in two dogs. LVR had dogs. We’ve heard that Joran had dogs. Even Simian mentions dogs. Simian also mentions fetid mongrels and fetid packages from the Hague IIRC.

A bloody mattress that was reported to have dog’s blood on it. Did they kill two dogs that night? If so, whose dogs were they?


50.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.
The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.
Posted Jun 27, 10:59 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Breaking Aruba News .... Croes Released ... Now Paul Van der Sloot” | View Post

51.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters. The dead dogs are stinking.
Posted Jun 27, 10:51 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee Holloway; Breaking Aruba News .... Croes Released ... Now Paul Van der Sloot” | View Post

[Lala'sMom]

This post has been bothering me ever since I started reading here and when Rembrandt was mentioned this week on the other thread, I decided to revisit it.
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Merian Ernest Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: The florin
Although the coin has the orange's regal visage on one side if you flip it you will see who runs the show.

There are rules that need to be respected and laws that need to be obeyed. Heinlein was right. The downfall will be embarrassing.
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------

If you search Rembrandt and florin and coin, you'll get lots of hits, but I don't think this one has anything to do with Lorenzo. On the back of all the coins I looked at I found the coat of arms.

From Wiki:

The Coat of Arms of Aruba was originally designed in Amsterdam in 1955. Since then it has been in use as the national symbol of Aruba. There are seven main elements to the symbol:

The lion at the top of the crest symbolizes power.
A white cross on the crest that also serves to divide the crest into four quadrants is representative of devotion to faith.
Below the crest is a pair of laurel leaves, traditional symbols of peace.
The upper right quadrant of the crest depicts Hooiberg, the most recognizable hill of Aruba, and the second highest hill as well.
Below it, in the lower right quadrant a wheel represents industry.
In the upper left quadrant is an aloe plant, aloe being a source of income for the island, and its first important export.
Finally, the lower left quadrant depicts hands shaking, symbolic of Aruba's good relations with the world.


So who runs the show? The lions, the industry-tourism,hotels or the owner of the aloe plant.( I thought I read a long time ago that this was a relative of Posner).We have references to dens: (This is reported to be a fake), regardless if it is or isn't it intrigues me.

124: Shango Says:
June 28th, 2005 at 1:55 am
Find the music
Only David left the den alive

You are beginning to find those quirky things like I have.  I wish I had saved a lot of things that one of the original code talkers sent to me, but it was on my other hard drive that died not long ago.  It was about this very subject.  As we have seen the biggest thing in Aruba is tourism...that is just a nice way to launder dirty money...handled by dirty hands.  Shango says the gamblers knew...try substituting various words for the term Babylonians.  I have used words such as Dutch, ALE, and Gamblers.  You will find the results are varied.  Sometimes the word will fit and other times it won't make any sense. I have found that Dutch fits the Babylonian reference the best, but there are those that will disagree...all the more intriguing.

[Lala'sMom]

Automatically translated text:   
On Sunday, June 19, 2005 19:33 wrote milagro the following:

     [..]

     Ms. strange it is, yes.

     That son has a kind of thought I appartementje own, to his parents' house, own entrance therefore, I assume, so I assume again, that zoonlief can come and go without Ma and Pa in the eye, and how or what Who etc.


     Zoonlief to 06.30 tomorrow benefited from the 5th suspect, which is only recently revealed, it is that the 5th man now suspected,.
     Mss want them now only know from Dad or something he noticed that morning and drive to a third party or something

I thought that this is the fourth suspect was one Steven Croes? Question wondering what is true of these two Dutch (not surinaamse) brothers and a colombiaan suspected? I think half of that island is suspected, how many people live there?

In short, strange mess with all these stories that you read, they sleuren more and more people, to the son of youknowwho to save ofzo. There is no ass of the whole story, and I wonder whether it only by the news of the amerikanen. I think there is also something very tilted sits on Aruba (skating them there are ash, and also straight or tilted?)



http://forum.fok.nl/topic/716218

*******...Thanks....The two Dutch brothers and a Columbian could be Koen and Sander, or Joran and Lorenzo? and Jaime? I'm beginning to think the Gottenbos boys may be up to their eyeballs in this.  Lala's posted on the other thread yesterday a post about two arrests on 6/11. Somebodies,IMO more than one, are being protected big time and it certainly isn't the Kalpoes.

Been reading the old front page posts and things really started to heat up out there on June 6th, when Gabe Leo started posting. J2Ks weren't even arrested until June 9th.

Gosh! Mum I think you and i have been on the same pages this weekend.  Those early FP posts by Gabe  are rather interesting.  I always find something new in them each time I read them and I have read them too many times. 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's....one thing about Chapter 5 from J's book. I noticed that a couple of his friends got jealous over girls. A fight even broke out. He says he was OK with Freddy and Carmen, but doesn't say how Freddy was with it.

Is it possible, as was mentioned on the other thread the other day, that the ex boyfriend/boyfriend post may not refer to Natalee? Just crossed my mind!

Almost forgot, do you think that post is a fake?

[Lala'sMom]

Here is a snippet of conversations from the archives about the 4th person arrested.  It seems that Steve Croes was the 4th person arrested, yet if you read on you see that someone was arrested the day or night before Steve was.  It appears to be Lorenzo..this is where the talka bout Lorenzo begins in earnest.  It is convoluted to way the least.  Americaninaruba, up to this moment, had been offering information to the posters, as well as, Arubagirl.  This is the first time in all their conversations that things were so confused.  Wouldn't you know it. The one thing I want to know and it's hard to  decipher just who they are talking about.  Steve Croes was reported by MSNBC as the 4th person arrested, but there is that other person in Savenata, that turns out to be the mysterious Lorenzo, that they all go back to.  Mind you, it is the Aruban posters that begin talking about Lorenzo.  It also seems that the term arrested and suspect versus detained and witness is interchangeable in Aruba. Reasons for confusion too.

americaninaruba
   
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1407 on: June 17, 2005, 08:14:33 AM »
   
****
4th person has been arrested thisd morning...news from the ministrey public....initials S.G.C. born 1978

will bring more news


americaninaruba
   
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1410 on: June 17, 2005, 08:17:23 AM »
   
today 6am police go into house in Sta Cruz where they go with one person ......with initials S.C. this arrest took place 6am this morning...wurprised the family with this arrest....we got differnt information, but we want to get all concrete things together before we bring this news to you.....we dont want to confuse anyone! we want to say that their is suspicion that she is ALIVE! but we dont want to bring up any suspicion to anyone but we willbe beack with info if this person has information for this case...also in savaneta they took someone for interogation.....we are hoping this will come to an end, with all this suspicion we believe shes alive.....stay pending.....thank you harry

americaninaruba

RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1436 on: June 17, 2005, 08:38:21 AM »
   
ok here it is:

YESTERDAY a man was taken for interrogation from savaneta....
THIS MORNING 6am....a boy of intials SGC (bron 1978) was taken into custody with relations to the case...we still have no EXACT info why but they took him this morning, and TOP95 say that they have high suspicions that NH is alive.......they will be back on in about an hour i belive
   


DJTAYLOR
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1461 on: June 17, 2005, 08:52:21 AM »
   
4th arrest is a friend of JORAN and the brothers

DJTAYLOR

RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1462 on: June 17, 2005, 08:52:54 AM »
   
He was amongst them that night aparently

DJTAYLOR
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1477 on: June 17, 2005, 08:59:53 AM »
   
confirmd 4th arrest 26 year old  friend of joran,

 MSNBC/AP updated 6:36 p.m. CT, Sat., June. 18, 2005

Another man detained
A fourth man who was detained Friday was identified by his boss as Steve Gregory Croes, a 26-year-old disc jockey on a privately owned party boat. He was arrested early Friday, a day after being contacted by police and giving them a statement, the boat’s owner Marcus Wiggins told The Associated Press. The detainee is not related to the attorney general’s spokeswoman.




americaninaruba

RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1528 on: June 17, 2005, 09:23:48 AM »
   
Quote from: "DT"
Unconfirmed but someone just posted this a riehlworldview.com:

This fourth guy has been arrested and also very known on the island. He is a Dutch guy whose father commited suicide a few ago.


well ive had no confirmation that it was him, but this guy was a suspect since the begining.....this guy went "nuts" since his fatehr died....he apparently has underground parties and such...hes crazy......like he doesnt give a shit about anything! but he has a house on the main road of savaneta and also another one in Seroe Alejandro......lets see what happens......will keep you posted.....again they have hopes she is still alivce!
   

americaninaruba
   
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 6
« Reply #1562 on: June 17, 2005, 09:42:03 AM »
   
Quote from: "Professor"
To American in Aruba: Are you sure about that identity? Fox News says he has the initials SGC and is the son of a prominent member of the judiciary. How can that be, if his father committed suicide?


OK im sosorry for mixign this up...its just i have liek 30 people on my back at the same time and im at work answerign the phone! LOl
ok the Boy taht hsi father commited suicide (Lorenzo is his name) he was arrrested YESTERDAY...the one of TODAY (SGC) i have not been confirmed a name yet...but i dont know who his parents are

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's....one thing about Chapter 5 from J's book. I noticed that a couple of his friends got jealous over girls. A fight even broke out. He says he was OK with Freddy and Carmen, but doesn't say how Freddy was with it.

Is it possible, as was mentioned on the other thread the other day, that the ex boyfriend/boyfriend post may not refer to Natalee? Just crossed my mind!

Almost forgot, do you think that post is a fake?

It was highly speculated here, after Guido's arrest and then Guido's attorney saying he was gay, that the boyfriend was referring to Guido and not a boyfriend of Natalee's.

[MumInOhio]

Thanks lala's....you just reminded me of the post that I need to find. I think it must be on the FP archives and they take longer to search.

If you come across it please snag it for me. It is the one about Lorenzo's arrest Or the one on 6/16) and an Aruban poster saying they saw someone else being arrested from the same house. IIRC these posters were even saying that they had driven by. I've checked pics and the only houses that could be similar are Koen's and Lorenzo's, though I am looking into another possibility.


Thanks...I remember reading all of that. I will reread the posts with both in mind.

[Lala'sMom]

Please note that I am not trying to start a conversation or an argument about Lorenzo here...I am just putting this out there to show the interest in this person, who at sometime during all this disaster in Aruba he was indeed detained in some way for something related to this case. I still believe that Lorezno was only peripherally involved if at all, but I also think it needs to be discussed since there is a statement from him in the Dr. Phil discovery.

Dallas Also
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 7
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2005, 09:49:34 AM »
   
There are definitely two new suspects.

The one yesterday was never said to have been "arrested' but was described as being "detained".  This might be the same thing, in Aruba.

Thanks to AmericaninAruba, we know that the one yesterday is a nutcase who could be capable of having grabbed Natalee (maybe for ransom, maybe to kidnap, maybe to sell).

The one today is another of those guys that think they are above the law.

Nobody is above the law.


americaninaruba

RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 7
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2005, 09:50:49 AM »
   
the lorenzo character - hsi father owned the Vwagen distributor here....but after his father committed suicide they family sold th ebusiness...

teh SBC (this mornigns arrest) - i have no idea!!!


americaninaruba
   
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 7
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2005, 10:06:15 AM »
   
Quote from: "nancy_drew"
Fox just reported there is another search going on today in a new location, but authorities won't say where.

AmericaninAruba, any news on that?


no I have no confirmation on this, but i would think that it would be the areas of the 2 new detained.  The lorenzo guy like i stated before has a house out in like "woodsy" area....we dont have WOODS here but liek bushy and lots of cactus...he threw "underground parties" their...i would think that would be the area they would search, but again nothing confimed


americaninaruba
   
RUMORS OF BREAKING NEWS # 7
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2005, 10:11:11 AM »
   
Quote from: "sarah"
Underground parties--after parties after the bars close down?  Is this common on the island?


No to throw a public party/event here onthe island you need to get the police authorization, so thier is some sort of control, and they can be aware of it....the underground parties are parties taht they hand out fliers and text MSG to poeple and throw a party that has not been run by the authorities...most of the time as soon as its 1am the police arrive anyways and shut down the party, unless its in a secluded area that no one calls about the music bothering.....which is the reason he threw these parties at that house that stands alone

[Lala'sMom]

Simian's reference to dogs in it's entirety...I did not delete any of the posts in  between;

#  Simian on June 24th, 2005 2:34 pm

It is very hectic around the water reservoirs in Noord.

# Kris on June 24th, 2005 2:35 pm

Simian,
Is that where the Texas team is searching??


# leopardqueen on June 24th, 2005 2:35 pm
No, CRS, I am a bit of a perfectionist. Edie, young people today cannot take criticism due to the school system constantly PRAISING them and giving kids trophys for every little accomplishment

In my day, you were EXPECTED to excel, did not get praised excessively and did not become a cry baby when corrected or critiqued


# jacqueline on June 24th, 2005 2:35 pm

I thought in an earlier post I had seen it. I’m NJ too.


# BhamNativeGirl on June 24th, 2005 2:35 pm

Let’s steer clear of bashing please and focus on why we’re here



# Praying on June 24th, 2005 2:36 pm

Did I say I was proud of not being able to spell a word?? Actually, I am a pretty good speller, but I don’t try to be perfect and I don’t beat myself up when I’m not. A lost girl is a much bigger deal than a misspelled word or TOO. Sometimes you need to do something wrong just to remind yourself you’re not perfect. It is actually good therapy.

CRS - I know that the evacuate thingy was totally unrealistic. I was … wishing …

And I do … See, as unrealistic as it unfortunately is, it might just find her. And I wish so much they could find her …


# Simian on June 24th, 2005 2:36 pm

Not the Texas team.


#  Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:36 pm

Kris-Meg was misinformed. Mom was not arrested, and there is no press conference.


# crs on June 24th, 2005 2:36 pm

I always hope when they do these searches that they don’t find her because it will be very sad.


# leopardqueen on June 24th, 2005 2:36 pm

NJ stinks for the most part….I think rte 22 looks like a trash heap. Sigh, but I am 73 and have lived here all my life. Too old to move


# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:36 pm

BTW-Thanks for the LMAO info. Will use it when crs finds his reciept


# Simian on June 24th, 2005 2:37 pm

It’s horrible. He is a sociopath.


# leopardqueen on June 24th, 2005 2:37 pm

there’s nothing new to write about Natalee that is why we got off on tangents


# edie on June 24th, 2005 2:37 pm

I enjoy learning. From a good teacher. A good teacher would be someone who teaches not somone like you who calls people out.
Being an older lady does not give you the right to try and embarass others.


# Hopefloats on June 24th, 2005 2:38 pm

and everyone wonders why there is wars going on in the world. Hell we can’t all even get along on a blog or message board what makes us think we can all get along in the world. Its a shame!


# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:38 pm

What’s up with the 3 missing kids in NJ? Have they found them? Do they know what happened to them. POOR FAMILY!!


# Hopefloats on June 24th, 2005 2:38 pm

excuse me I meant there are wars…


# crs on June 24th, 2005 2:39 pm

I’m going to write a book no matter how this turns out about the reciept theory Jake. Please have me on your station when it is complete.


# leopardqueen on June 24th, 2005 2:39 pm

Hopefloats: young people today get offended over everything. It’s because they’re praised excessively in the schools and “oh don’t tell the little darling he’s a fat tub or illiterate”. That’s why my friends and I believe None of them will exceed or accomplish anything. They cannot take criticism



# Kris on June 24th, 2005 2:39 pm

Simian,

Who is searching there?? and who is a sociopath? Thanks for the clarification Jake.



# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:39 pm

Sim-who is a sociopath?[/b]

[COLOMBO]

when was Lorenzo released? did he "walk with the fallen elder?"

[Lala'sMom]

#  Praying on June 24th, 2005 2:39 pm

CRS - the family so needs to find her - hopefully alive, but if not, then for closure. In the situation I was close to, they never found her. So, so hard on the parents. The lack of closure is most horrific.


# edie on June 24th, 2005 2:39 pm

I have gotten along with everyone all morning. Then people get on here to start drama and start bashing others. I don’t like to bash, nor do I like to be bashed.


# Rachael on June 24th, 2005 2:40 pm

KRIS and EDIE I am back, have I missed anything important?


# leopardqueen on June 24th, 2005 2:40 pm

camden NJ is a real hell hole…..I bet no one was watching those 3 poor kids


# crs on June 24th, 2005 2:40 pm

Sim - Paul is a sociopath or the fifth suspect you have spoken of?


# Hopefloats on June 24th, 2005 2:40 pm

it is scary to think that now they are taking kids when there are more than just one around. It’s just not safe to let kids be alone out to play anymore in some areas.


# pktbk on June 24th, 2005 2:40 pm

full on ridiculing is different from just letting us know we should know what the hague is. enough on you…old queen. and i’m sure when i am old i won’t care what people think because i have done my time. and i’m going to keep on asking questions.

sim-is someone trying to fix a bad situation out there?



# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:41 pm

crs-for sure I’m sure it will sell more than the Wibanks book!!!



# Pam on June 24th, 2005 2:41 pm

I agree with those that have said kids today don’t spell (or speak) correctly.
My teenagers are smart kids, but the way the speak and spell is deplorable.
The one who is on IM and sending text messages the most is worst. I think
getting lazy and cutting words off, not bothering with capitals and puntuation, makes them forget everything they have learned in English class. It’s a shame.



# edie on June 24th, 2005 2:42 pm

Rachael-
Yeah MS leopard Queen is bashing the young for not being intelligent enough to suit her.


# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:42 pm

Isn’t the fifth suspect the dad? You mean the 6th suspect. There are now 5 people in jail.


#  scaredshitless on June 24th, 2005 2:43 pm

PAM: you’re so RIGHT ON! It’s a disgrace. I’ve even seen young teachers make grammatical blunders when correcting my kids’ papers.


# Hopefloats on June 24th, 2005 2:43 pm

Leopard, I agree things are much too easy these days and it makes for laziness

Edie, I agree with you about the bashing, in general I was meaning the ones on here that do not care how they talk to others


# crs on June 24th, 2005 2:43 pm

Leopard - jimminy christmas have a martini, chill out, and think about the good times you had in the roaring twenties.


# crs on June 24th, 2005 2:44 pm

I feel like I am on an after-school special with all the talk of geography and spelling.


# Simian on June 24th, 2005 2:44 pm

Killing his own dogs. Dumping them is the reservoir. Harrassing his schoolmates.


# leopardqueen on June 24th, 2005 2:44 pm

CRS thinks someday he will not be an older man and having younger people make fun of him. YOU SHOULD RESPECT THE ELDERLY. They have lived a lot longer than you have. We went thru WWII, when we had to SACRIFICE a great deal.


# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:45 pm

crs-LMAO!!!!!!


# Hopefloats on June 24th, 2005 2:45 pm

Hey Sim…what did youmean earlier when you said “something rotten was found in the Hague?” or did I miss your answer when we changed pages? Did they find something with the forensics investigation?


# ******* on June 24th, 2005 2:45 pm

What do you think Joran will do if/when he is released? CRS - will you go out w/ him or hook him up w/ your sister?


# edie on June 24th, 2005 2:45 pm

I was not aware of the spell sheck on the blog


# I-Yell-Chris-In-Hallways on June 24th, 2005 2:45 pm

Ignore CRS. He needs a big fat Blond Danish wife like I myself have


# Kris on June 24th, 2005 2:45 pm

Jake,
Nothing on the kids in NJ> Cnn said mom went inside for 5 min. came back and they were gone.

Rachel–Hello again. Nothing new really–just discussing higher education


# pktbk on June 24th, 2005 2:46 pm

sim-*gasp* oh my goodness!!!!!!!!!! i can see that! oh my goodness!

they are going to find more there than just nat evidence.


# Jake on June 24th, 2005 2:46 pm

Sim-are the little green people talking to you again?

[Lala'sMom]

To continue...several minutes go by and finally Simian comes back to finish his conversation...everything in between was more or less just chit chat between posters.  Please notice that they are becoming impatient with Simian and making fun of him at the same time.  I only throw this out FYI so you can see what is being said at the same time Simian is speaking.

#  Simian on June 24th, 2005 3:16 pm

The water reservoir in Noord is very busy. The boy is not right. There is so much stuff on him. I don’t know what I should relay to you people. I fear the worst.

The Texans don’t know where to start.


# Hopefloats on June 24th, 2005 3:16 pm

is this the resevoir in Noorde(sp)? where NH’s natural father was wanting to search?


# Kris on June 24th, 2005 3:17 pm

Simian,
Please just give us whatever you can.


# Simian on June 24th, 2005 3:17 pm

All evidence collected was sent to the The Hague.



# crs on June 24th, 2005 3:17 pm

Sim - when you speak of this boy I think everyone thinks you are talking about Joran but your not are you - you are talking about this other individual.

# Jake on June 24th, 2005 3:17 pm

Sim-it sounds to me that now you think Joran is guilty! Is that what the little green people are telling you?


# ivy on June 24th, 2005 3:17 pm

scaredshitless: back from staff meeting I am 45 married two kids female in NJ also.


# Kerri on June 24th, 2005 3:18 pm

Hi all. new to blogging. fascinated by nh case. Pray for her to be found alive. Sim what do you know about him?


# BhamNativeGirl on June 24th, 2005 3:19 pm

Hope - further down, about 11 hours from Birmingham. But not a bad drive at all, I love the drive up there..

Any news?? No access to tv..


# Nevada_Mom on June 24th, 2005 3:19 pm

I have been reading all of these comments and I want to stress something. This young girl did not deserve to die and I firmly believe she did on that fatal night. What a terrible shame it is that knowledge of law is used so frequently to protect an evil act or perhaps in this case accidental. I think she died through drugs or alcohol/fear/brutality. I think the dad knew it…

Please pray for the Holloway extended family. I think many of the postings here are from singles who have yet to have a family and understand the loss, pain and desperation that Natalee’s family are feeling.

Also quit bashing the Dutch and the Arubans. Evil and bad behavior/choices is not a nationalist choice or endowment.

I think it is very sad that this case has impacted the livelihood of the Arubans. From all accounts this is a well run good island and we can not blame them for a few uncontrolled and evil elements.

Lets remember that we all can make mistakes, it is how we resolve them that really matters. If Anita VDS is the strong caring teacher she appears to be, she will go to her husband and son and demand the truth. The greater good must prevail. Will this be obvious in her demeanor (sp) no spell check here.

Can you imagine what the life is like for her younger children, and were they taking lessons from their older brother? Do they know anything???

Finally this story has gripped people because it speaks to all of the fears of parenting and losing a loved one. Especially without any kind of answer or closure, the act of loving and nurturing can not be terminated. I think it is a good sign for the country that so many have cared about this young lady, on the brink of her adult hood, going into a profession where she helps others ( not just the typical description of Americans from Europeans and others as selfish jerks).

What may we have lost (hopefully not but..) in this girl.


# Jake on June 24th, 2005 3:19 pm

crs-are you a spiritual blog translator?


# heatherey on June 24th, 2005 3:20 pm

Man! Can someone get SHOCK back here? Anyone hear from him?


# pktbk on June 24th, 2005 3:20 pm

the guy with the van is the one that has a horrible past.