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« Reply #680 on: January 02, 2008, 07:28:18 PM »

So that would mean Lorinzo?
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« Reply #681 on: January 02, 2008, 08:03:02 PM »

So that would mean Lorinzo?


JuJu...There's a lot pointing to Lorenzo, but I still like Freddy. Both were kept under wraps it appears.


Columbo... All we really have on Lorenzo is from the Dr Phil docs of an interview I think 6/28.  He appears to have been arrested on 6/11. But that is not the offcial ALE word
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« Reply #682 on: January 03, 2008, 11:58:02 AM »

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/category/natalee-holloway/page/102/
 
Lalas this gets you back to June 7, 2005 If you want earlier press next at the bottom of the page.
If you want later than June 7 press previous. I know sounds weird.Works trust me. Some of the Front page post by Red or Tom Have no comments listed or just 1 or 2. Some have hundreds. Hope this helps and is what you are looking for.
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« Reply #683 on: January 03, 2008, 01:55:19 PM »

I finally took the time to go back to the beginning or at least as far as I could find.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/natalee-holloway/page/111/

I guess I will next need to read all the comments but some of those are really long.
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« Reply #684 on: January 04, 2008, 06:18:28 AM »

Just read a post yesterday that the poster thought that Shango was no longer with us, Benson was mentioned as he was from the Midwest and the poster presumed he would know the language used. I know that Lala’s believes otherwise. Also there are posts by scubajap that others were being questioned and they in Aruba knew a lot we didn’t. So it appears a lot of media type people in Aruba discussed the case with ALE. Scuba mentions talking to Deepak and he states he ded not write those emails, for example. Rolling Eyes

Anyway, what crossed my mind on this, as one has been rumored to be a female, was the two suicides last year of the male and female video/film peeps. I believe ******* found they had done something on the ‘race junkies’ IIRC.

LOL, maybe I should post this in the Speculation thread!


Columbo….I’m stuck on who is hidden. If Dompig was right and and Natalee was moved, it could have been her.  But I believe that some suspects were hidden, at least from us.

Sam and Lala's...the easiest way around the front page is to do what we do on the main thread to get to the page we want. Wink
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« Reply #685 on: January 04, 2008, 07:15:52 AM »

Made a long post yesterday in the main thread #709...(page 43 #844) about the time stamps on the HI video. The posts were taken from the front page. It struck me this could be the gaps in the timeline. I had always thought this was the '11PM...4AM pickup' until I saw this.

Also saw another post that said Mcdonalds was a name for some sort of drugs Rolling Eyes

Just putting it all out there, maybe something will mean something to someone Laughing


Maybe Lala's missing 'piece of the puzzle' is what Columbo's 'what is hidden' Laughing
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« Reply #686 on: January 04, 2008, 10:00:26 AM »

From the judicial inc site:

These are pictures of a person who seems to only exist as far as the police go. He was one of the first to be questioned. No-one speaks of him. What we do know is, he is a rich kid, in his 20's. His mom and him own houses on the Island, and to this day only moms house was searched. Mom is remarried, and is selling her home. They too are in Holland.
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« Reply #687 on: January 04, 2008, 02:14:40 PM »

From the judicial inc site:

These are pictures of a person who seems to only exist as far as the police go. He was one of the first to be questioned. No-one speaks of him. What we do know is, he is a rich kid, in his 20's. His mom and him own houses on the Island, and to this day only moms house was searched. Mom is remarried, and is selling her home. They too are in Holland.

Has his own boat, I had mentioned him previously.
But, they did bring him in twice, searched his boat, his house, his car and no forensics.
This is a little more complicated than I can fully explain here, let's just say it has always bothered me why they didn't question him like they questioned Joran, and leave it at that for the moment, OK?
Posted by: scubajap | Oct 16, 2005 10:07:43 PM

new girl on June 28th, 2005 11:44 pm
Re: does anyone know what Lorenzo does for a living?

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wrote above: new girl, you know, small society, extended families, no secrets, family knows everything. this guy has a bad profile, father into drugs, himself dealing, driving expensive cars, crashing them, not working, father killing himself because of a drug/alcohol induced depression. in short, no solid upbringing, wrong connections, careless, living above the law. somehow not getting caught. Bad boy waiting on the wall to hit him?
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« Reply #688 on: January 04, 2008, 03:34:43 PM »

Is this who is hidden?

1.   Name: Baboon | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The FBI was with a group in Aruba. Some left, some stayed.
There is no plea barganing in Aruba or the Dutch Kingdom. What they do is reduced sentences for the for the lesser crimes.
The case where the gentleman was “beheaded” was solved. The girl was picked up and she is awaiting for her charges and subsequent trial.
A case of a drive-by shooting was also solved and the involved have been arrested. Nobody was killed they just shot in the air. One is the son of really, really rich and influential people in Aruba. Not like Joran, which by Aruban standards is just the son of a judicial employee.
Some have to start coming to grips that maybe something else happened to the girl.
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« Reply #689 on: January 04, 2008, 04:08:07 PM »

One more to ponder:

121.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
I can confirm they are there. The 3 of them. Remember the Kalpoes know nothing they were informed aournd the pool deck by Joran.
Based on my knowledge they will be confronted. A set up for the behaviour specialists?
Posted Jun 24, 3:54 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Natalee & Family


Kalpoes know nothing, so who are the three?

Joran and Steve Croes still arrested, only other interview that day was Karen Martina. But where was Freddy! Remember I'm convinced he was detained som e time around then! Laughing
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« Reply #690 on: January 04, 2008, 06:49:17 PM »

Made a long post yesterday in the main thread #709...(page 43 #844) about the time stamps on the HI video. The posts were taken from the front page. It struck me this could be the gaps in the timeline. I had always thought this was the '11PM...4AM pickup' until I saw this.

Also saw another post that said Mcdonalds was a name for some sort of drugs Rolling Eyes

Just putting it all out there, maybe something will mean something to someone Laughing


Maybe Lala's missing 'piece of the puzzle' is what Columbo's 'what is hidden' Laughing

A big thank you to Sam in helping me with that link....I really appreciate it.

Mum...In case you haven't noticed Colombo is always as cryptic as Shango...I think he may be referring to a hidden suspect.  But you know, I have yet to have Colombo tell me I am right about anything he posts...so who really knows?  Laughing
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« Reply #691 on: January 04, 2008, 06:54:39 PM »

From the judicial inc site:

These are pictures of a person who seems to only exist as far as the police go. He was one of the first to be questioned. No-one speaks of him. What we do know is, he is a rich kid, in his 20's. His mom and him own houses on the Island, and to this day only moms house was searched. Mom is remarried, and is selling her home. They too are in Holland.



Clearly Lorenzo...no doubt about this description.  He was part of the equation if only by virtue of association. 


QUESTION FOR COLOMBO:  Do you still think the 5th suspect was Paulus?  TIA
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« Reply #692 on: January 04, 2008, 08:04:48 PM »

What was kept hidden, per Shango, was one of the cards played by PVDS-"he was the hidden card that was played".......he can break the alibi

before he says this, Simian says this:
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
DirtyHand can break the Alibi

Shango later says:
And he walked with the fallen elder

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? (home from where?)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
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« Reply #693 on: January 04, 2008, 08:51:13 PM »


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? (home from where?)
Kalpoes?                PVDS?   Lorenzo's or the Lions Den?
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?
My Take  Cool
No idea who switched places,unless he meant Joran and Lorenzo.
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« Reply #694 on: January 05, 2008, 08:40:46 AM »

What was kept hidden, per Shango, was one of the cards played by PVDS-"he was the hidden card that was played".......he can break the alibi

before he says this, Simian says this:
Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:16 pm
DirtyHand can break the Alibi

Shango later says:
And he walked with the fallen elder
IMO...this would be a Croes or Wever
Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? (home from where?)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?


My answer in blue above:


He he walked with the fallen elder, Paulus was a judge or lawyer, IMO

Early reports on Steve said he was from an influential family, a DJ, EMT and a pilot. And there is another Croes. Maybe this is another Lorenzo Wever!
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« Reply #695 on: January 05, 2008, 03:41:45 PM »

Dolores defended her friend Lorenzo and I take her posts with a grain of salt. I do believe her about a another Lorenzo being apart of the prostitute thing though. I wonder if that Lorenzo was the HI Manager who left town shortly after Natalee vanished? Shango and Simian were definetly talking about the right Lorenzo,but I thought these posts were interesting. Since A Lorenzo was involved did they switch places? Or was the HI Employee "Lorenzer Wever"BS or totally unrelated?
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*******, I personally know Lorenzo very well and since he (to my knowledge) isn't guilty or plays a part in the NH case I'd rather refrain from giving out personal info.

What is known (was in the papers), the police (way in the beginning) got an anonimous tip by phone, and went (without a searchwarrant and were allowed)to search his house and question him. Nothing was found, he also had an alibi and that settled it.

Him being PdvS son is a rumour that started during the NH case. I think because Lorenzo's dad's name was Paul too, they are both Dutch etc. that rumour started. But there is no truth to it.
Posted by: Dolores | Aug 31, 2005 9:33:45 AM
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Lorenzo has a business partner, paul broughm, and they run stuff together....lorenzo also has a redlight distirct tour businees in Aruba that lets you pay $50 and get either incall or outcall prostitutes....Jurine may have advanced his business model a step or two by giving people an already prone rape victim. Paul Broughm sees to be the brains behind all of Lorenzo's business ventures, and I'm sure he's a redwings fan, becase he is from Michigan. Once when running a google search on: mr pink aruba porn, the first thing that came up was the "Holiday Inn". It may be nothing, but it gave me a chill. It is said thay broughm does some film shooting at Lorenzo's raves. It is said that Steve Croes was an extra cameraman for Mr.Pink on several occasions. It is "rumored" that they make under-aged snuff videos on a commission basis, mostly with young latin girls. I really wold like to meet Lorenzo face to face and get a feel for all these rumors, Its hard to believe, but when you get it from an fbi file what can you argue?
Posted by: billy | Wednesday, July 27, 2005 at 06:46 AM


Proudredneck, the dayshift is here!!! Lorenzo is not PVDS's ill. Lorenzo's dad commited suicide (if that's what you want to call "suspicious death)a long time ago and I don't see why this should be brought up on this board (give the people some privacy, show respect). Billy posted : Lorenzo also has a redlight distirct tour businees in Aruba that lets you pay $50 and get either incall or outcall prostitutes. YEs..BUT THAT IS ANOTHER LORENZO!!! Darn you people love gossip more then my old granny over her tea!!!
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« Reply #696 on: January 05, 2008, 04:52:22 PM »

walked with the fallen elder may mean "was released" at the same time
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« Reply #697 on: January 05, 2008, 04:59:13 PM »

Colombo
What about the 5th suspect?  Do you still think it is Paulus?  TIA
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« Reply #698 on: January 06, 2008, 12:22:15 AM »

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Thursday, June 23, 2005; Posted: 10:01 p.m.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html

Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:28 pm
The father is trapped in a legal check mate.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused.


Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon

If the house of babylon is to remain erect, it must protect the babylonians who have lived in teepees, among the arawaks, for a long time.
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« Reply #699 on: January 06, 2008, 01:37:48 PM »

For heaven's sake....just answer with a yes or no!  I am familiar with what Simian says...I want to know what you think.  Is that too much to ask?  Rolling Eyes
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