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MumInOhio
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Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know?
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For Lala's
.....From the Lorenzo thread:
I am sorry, I am confused. It appears the American in Aruba is saying: the original 3 boys were arrested, then another named "Lorenzo," yesterday...and now another with the initials "SGC." That makes 5 arrested. Is this correct? FOX news is only reporting 4 arrested (obviously the U.S.media is out of the loop on this case). thanks. 342 posted on 06/17/2005
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Posted these on the main thread:
But what has me puzzled ( confused i think) is if you look at diario of a few days back aparantly they arrested Joran at his house!!! But the house looks alot like Lorenzo's house at Yara/Savaneta. So i had to ask what was going on?? Am i paranoid or how? What connection could Lorenzo and Joran have with each other in this case here!
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But it's true that i heard that Lorenzo the son of the owner Paul( the one who hanged himself last year) was talking about wanting to come with a VW animal animal for a long time now, they have money, he and his dad were giving bills of 100 florin away like crazy when they invited us to trip with them.Posted by pietjezz6-9-2005
COLUMBO
......still working on that.... (LOL in my sleep it seems)....I do remember who you think is Dirty Hand! But if you don't answer Lala's questions, how will we know if you've changed your thinking?
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Had posted the other day in the Lorenzo thread that I had read that LVR's lawyer was Hendrick Croes - Rudy's brother. Croes Wever and Tchong. Another partner in the firm about the same age as LVR....everybody knows each other, right!
I think I read it at Rhiel, world, will go back later this week and see if I can find it.
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Quote from: MumInOhio on January 07, 2008, 10:19:10 AM
Had posted the other day in the Lorenzo thread that I had read that LVR's lawyer was Hendrick Croes - Rudy's brother. Croes Wever and Tchong. Another partner in the firm about the same age as LVR....everybody knows each other, right!
I think I read it at Rhiel, world, will go back later this week and see if I can find it.
It would be nice if you did find this out for certain. I wonder if everyone on Aruba has an attorney related to someone in power...most likely. Going back to the order of arrests, we really don't know for certain. In some news stories Steve Croes is listed as number 4 and in others he's number 5. Maybe the 5th suspect is actually Steve Croes. I suppose he would have to provide an alibi for his whereabouts after he was stupid enough to inject himself in this mess. That never made sense to me unless he was paid. I don't think he was paid by Joran...even with his gambling cash Croes would want a lot more money than what Joran could give him. I also wonder if Paulus is still having to supplement him on the side. I have gotten lost again, sorry. Back to Lorenzo, there is evidence he was one of the two that were arrested during this time. Lorenzo seems to have been arrested before Steve, but reports are conflicting and there is no definite answer that I can find. The Aruban posters indicated it was Lorenzo...that is all I can confirm there.
Now, has Colombo ever answered my question? I didn't think so. Once again,
Colombo
do you still think Paulus is the 5th suspect? I know that is what you have said before. I remember the night both you and Eleye presented the idea here...please come out and discuss this with us. I want to know how you can fit all the criteria for the 5th suspect into PVDS. I have worked on it, but still can't make a few aspects fit.
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Lala's...posted another bit of info this morning in the Lorenzo thread....there was a discussion a few days ago in the main thread about Max Arends/Arendz. I always thought it was Arendz, that was Lorenzo's friend and alibi, and some type of race junkie. Well I found something from 2004 that has a contact of Arends to do with racing. (I believe what was posted on the main thread was that the younger one-Arends- was questioned on the 16th, but heck I'm so confused, I don't think I know anything anymore.
I guess what I'm saying is that maybe we have to look at the younger Arends...LOL
Everything is so intertwined on that place. A tangled web!
Can't believe I didn't post that about Lorenzo's lawyer! Maybe I did...and just can't find it!
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I have tried to make heads or tails out that site...the way things are jumbled and you try to figure out who is talking to whom and if this is the person we are looking for is difficult. You have done well, my child. Yes, let's go back and talk about the younger Arends, I was under the impression he was Joran's friend at school...that is if he had any friends. What do you think about him? I am sure you have read the Lorenzo race junkies thread. I had a lot more before my computer crash and now I need to try to get in contact with the person that gave me the info.
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"We also know from
the Kalpoe law suit vs. Dr. Phil that Lorenzo
was witness
and gave a statement to police at least once.
Wonder why they would have wanted to talk to Lorenzo? Maybe Joran Van der Sloot was there that night? The police may want to do some DNA testing in this home."
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/06/21/lorenzo-van-rijn-arrested-on-drug-charges-in-aruba-hmm-ya-dont-say/
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Hadn't seen this one, though I'm sure others have. Know that both hotels have been mentioned, just don't recall the names of the band and the restaurant in conjunction with the Wyndham...Fact or Fiction!
Wasn't this party at the HI? Who else was there??
Posted by: (((AG))) | August 11, 2005 08:05 PM
Not sure who else was there, but I'm pretty sure this is the party Shango spoke of.
"the partygoers need to be pressured, they have seen from the corners of their eyes"
"the room was dusted" (the room at the HI?)
"the host doesn't leave his own party"
"the alibi needs to be broken"
Posted by: letsbefair | August 11, 2005 09:31 PM
Scubajap
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I think Shango was referring to a party at the Wyndham, and a tie to the casino there since the dealers were repeatedly referenced - the dealers know, Shango said.
I read over his posts several times, along with interpretations. Later someone posted elsewhere information about the Wyndham. Shango talked about the 7 Infernos ( that is apparently the name of the Wyndham's restaurants) and about the Maze (A band that played at the Wyndham is named the Maze).
I've never been to Aruba so am relying on information others provided.
Posted by: shonane | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 12:10 AM
Scarborough country with the Twittys right now.
10 EST.
Posted by: FloridaPatty
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Still looking for Hendrick...I'm amazed where a search in this case takes you!
Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.
Don't think it is Max-I know his father very well, and he told me he is not that close to Joran, and this was a month ago, and all the classmates were brought in for questioning-not only Max
Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:07 PM
Is this the Max that is Lorenzo's alibi or is there another Max?
Posted by: (((AG))) | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:08 PM
Just got off the phone with Bibi (Max,sr) Arends, Max's father. They are sitting in a movie theatre in Orlando, Florida at this very moment, because Max is going to school there. So I doubt he is giving a statement in Aruba. Bibi informs me Max has never stayed over in Joran's house.
Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:13 PM
Bibi just called me back and Max Arends explained there is a Max Arendz and that is the guy that is mixed up with them.
Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:53 PM
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Quote from: MumInOhio on January 07, 2008, 02:34:45 PM
Hadn't seen this one, though I'm sure others have. Know that both hotels have been mentioned, just don't recall the names of the band and the restaurant in conjunction with the Wyndham...Fact or Fiction!
Wasn't this party at the HI? Who else was there??
Posted by: (((AG))) | August 11, 2005 08:05 PM
Not sure who else was there, but I'm pretty sure this is the party Shango spoke of.
"the partygoers need to be pressured, they have seen from the corners of their eyes"
"the room was dusted" (the room at the HI?)
"the host doesn't leave his own party"
"the alibi needs to be broken"
Posted by: letsbefair | August 11, 2005 09:31 PM
Scubajap
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I think Shango was referring to a party at the Wyndham, and a tie to the casino there since the dealers were repeatedly referenced - the dealers know, Shango said.
I read over his posts several times, along with interpretations. Later someone posted elsewhere information about the Wyndham. Shango talked about the 7 Infernos ( that is apparently the name of the Wyndham's restaurants) and about the Maze (A band that played at the Wyndham is named the Maze).
I've never been to Aruba so am relying on information others provided.
Posted by: shonane | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 12:10 AM
Scarborough country with the Twittys right now.
10 EST.
Posted by: FloridaPatty
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Still looking for Hendrick...I'm amazed where a search in this case takes you!
Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.
Don't think it is Max-I know his father very well, and he told me he is not that close to Joran, and this was a month ago, and all the classmates were brought in for questioning-not only Max
Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:07 PM
Is this the Max that is Lorenzo's alibi or is there another Max?
Posted by: (((AG))) | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:08 PM
Just got off the phone with Bibi (Max,sr) Arends, Max's father. They are sitting in a movie theatre in Orlando, Florida at this very moment, because Max is going to school there. So I doubt he is giving a statement in Aruba. Bibi informs me Max has never stayed over in Joran's house.
Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:13 PM
Bibi just called me back and Max Arends explained there is a Max Arendz and that is the guy that is mixed up with them.
Posted by: scubajap | Thursday, August 11, 2005 at 09:53 PM
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As Tylergal has said all along there was a party at the HI...now the question is who was the host? Notice that the poster did not say who was at the party...you have to take Scubajap's comments with a grain of salt until you have corroborating evidence IMO. We have discussed a party at the hotels as being what Shango spoke of. It seemed to be the norm for videoing and such. so maybe Freddy was there too....with his camera.
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to that point, could someone repost that cartoon here?
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Colombo
Are you ignoring me?
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Quote from: COLOMBO on January 07, 2008, 05:18:23 PM
to that point, could someone repost that cartoon here?
Klaas was kind enough to give it it's own thread...here you go.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2507.0
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This one?
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I have been looking at the Holiday Inn this morning. Was there in fact 46 hotels back in May 2005? Which one was the 46th? The Marriott where Freddy worked is the northern most, but I seem to remember that this is not the way posters decided on the 46th. This is what I recall from way back.
The Casablanca
– Located in the Wyndham Resort, the casino feautures a bar and live music. Big-buck gamblers gather in the back and the Cabaret Royal Showroom features a review from Havana.
J. E. Irausquin Boulevard 77
Tel: +(297) 5862 283 / Fax: +(297) 5866 822
Website:
www.wyndham.com/hotels/AUAPB/main.wnt
Gaming Time: 10:00am-close Daily
This is where Joran says he was on the night of May30, when the family arrived.
Will put this out there, because I think they are way more involved, and because of what they do.
http://www.vcbsecurity.com/index_en.php
Is the 'Black team' part of this or is that the weird looking guys in the riot gear? TIA.
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Was trying to tie Max Arends in here but he did not flee to Babylon. Guido did, if I have my interpretation of Babylon right. He was interviewed on 6/23/2005.
65: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 10:04 pm
Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power
there will be 46 sacrifices
82: Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 11:12 pm
Even Flying Birds Sing.
If the key does not arrive tomorrow, that door to Eden will remain closed
I must feed the messengers
Have been thinking about his one.
180. Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Lucy you are wrong.
It was just a simple party at his house.
He was “the whole time”.
Posted Jun 22, 6:04 PM
Could a party at his house be at this hotel. He was there - somewhere- the whole time. I posted the other day about a Judith Yolando Arends and 3 receipts being interviewed on 7/11. Nearly everyone else interviewed around that time worked for the HI and a couple at the Marriott. This was July, so they should not have been asking about the HI drop-off. Joran didn't say he went to the HI on 5/30. Hmmm.....
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The black team is the same as the weird looking guys dressed in black with the riot gear. That's funny actually, not enough tourists any longer for a riot.
A few questions....was Freddy working at the bar the night in question? Did Natalee go to that bar at any time during her trip? I get the hotels confused. is it the Wyndham or the Marriott we are talking about now? Which ones did Natalee visit? This VCB team was supposedly into security, it seems, mainly in the hotel district. If they are so good where are all the tapes? Why didn't the ALE ask for them from every single casino and hotel in the area? The only connection we seem to have with them is GVC and he was on the radar and then off faster than Guido. Just exactly what was it they arrested him for in connection with this case? I have forgotten.
Maybe we need a list of each person and things that we do know or suspect or that were rumored under each one...just thinking.
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Found on the Front Page.
Van der straten said; front page June10th.2005
Deputy Police Chief Jan van der Straten said Holloway met van der Sloot in the casino attached to her hotel two days before she disappeared. Family friends say Holloway knew that van der Sloot had spent much of the week playing cards in the casino with a group of boys from the trip.
Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and ...snipped
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I doubt if Joran was by himself, he says that he, Jaime and Freddy go out scoping tourists. It was Champions at the Marriott that Freddy worked at.
I was remembering who COLUMBO thought “Dirty Hand’ was and ‘Willem’ could have been his boss. When I was reading Shango and Simian this morning, I tried to work out where he fits. It’s somewhere, as you don’t just sell your house for no reason. That Visibility site is the same as it was when I first visited it ages ago, so maybe for some reason he needed another house. They have access to a lot of security info from the hotels, and I remember reading about rooms with cameras in them, just one more thing to think about.LOL
Sister is a police officer. Their house was listed for sale as of 12/14/2007.(Yellow…just like the Gottenbos)
CROMVOIRT, Geoffry van - 19 years old, resident of Aruba, who was detained by ALE on 4-15-2006 in an unannounced connection to the Natalee Holloway case. He is the son of the owner of an island security company that supplies equipment and personnel to beach patrol and hotels. For more information see Who’s Who – Victim, Suspects, Witnesses & Families.
CROMVOIRT, Wilhemus “Willem” Bernadus Henricus Papaya van – owner & operator of VCB Security. Father of Geoffrey van Cromvoirt. There is some question as to whether the Cromvoirt’s moved to the Netherlands. Resided at 14D, Paradera, Aruba.
BTW...Also bothering me that 'Dutch Marine'. Joran says he shipped out 2 days before Natalee disappeared. How does he know...there were Dutch Marines all over that island looking for Natalee days after that! Oh I forgot, tickets were changed for 2 days, weren't they?
Wonder if that paragraph in Chapter 3 of his book, that doesn't even look like it belongs there, has anything to do with what Klaas posted today? Maybe like you said, Lala's, it is not a confession. Maybe, because he couldn't talk on the phone, it's a warning!
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In Beth's book the "Dutch Marine" story is told by the HI night manager, Brenda. She comments that Joran is tall and good looking like a Dutch Marine. But the story transformed into something much different.
Example....Natalee was last seen leaving with a tall good looking boy with blue eyes, kind of looked like a Dutch Marine.
Keep repeating form one person to the next and you end up with....Natalee ran off with a Blue-eyed Dutch Marine.
That is not hard to do and with the confusion no wonder Julia kept telling that story to everyone...it looked better than the truth.
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Some please get Brenda some glasses really quick!! Frankenstein is not good looking!
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Quote from: kgwallace88 on January 08, 2008, 02:25:34 PM
Some please get Brenda some glasses really quick!! Frankenstein is not good looking!
I wonder how old she is? Maybe he charmed her with his intelligence.
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Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened
http://news.visitaruba.com/news/manageArticle.do?dispatch=view&id=1357
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===> Sierra Lamar, 15yrs old, Morgan Hill, CA Missing Since March 16, 2012
===> JO ANN (JODIE) BAIN AND 3 DAUGHTERS MISSING 4/27/2012(2 murdered 2 safe)
===> Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6 yrs old missing 4/21/12 Tucson, AZ (Body Found)
===> Jennifer Kesse - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Susan Powell 28yrs old, missing 12/6/09 West Valley City, Utah
===> Michelle Loree Parker, Last Seen 11/17/11, Orlando, FL
===> Celina Cass, 11yrs old missing 7/25/11 New Hampshire
===> Aliayah Lunsford, 3yrs old, Weston, West VA, missing since 9/24/2011
===> Lisa Irwin, 10mo old missing since 10/4/2011 KC, MO
===> Robyn Gardner missing in Aruba August 2, 2011
=> Missing Persons - High Profile - Archives
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Virginia Area Missing and Murdered - possible connections
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=> Morgan Dana Harrington, 20yrs missing VA Tech 10/17/09(BODY FOUND)
=> Hannah Elizabeth Graham missing since 9/13/14 Charlottesville, VA
=> Alexis Murphy, missing since 8/3/13 Charlottesville, VA
=> Samantha Ann Clarke 19yrs. old Orange Va. Last seen 09/13/10
=> Dashad Sage Smith missing since 11/20/12 Charlottesville, VA
=> Cassandra Morton 23, Lynchburg, missing 10/10/09 body found 11/29/09
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High Profile Crimes and Trials (not missing persons)
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=> Jodi Arias trial - for the murder of Travis Alexander
=> Trial of George Zimmerman - 2nd Degree Murder of 17yr old Trayvon Martin
=> Scott Peterson Appeal of Murder Conviction
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Missing, Exploited and True Crime
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=> Missing Exploited and True Crime
===> Missing Persons Forum
=====> Missing Found or Presumed Deceased
=====> Missing Found Safe
=====> Missing Endangered Runaways
=====> Resourses, Search Groups and Fundraisers
===> Crimes Against Children, Elderly and the Disabled
===> Crimes of Passion/Anger
===> Serial Killers and Their Possible Victims
===> Unsolved Crimes
=====> Finally Solved
===> Haleigh Marie Cummings - Florida
===> Adji Desir - Florida
===> Somer Renee Thompson 7 yo, Orange Park FL 10/19/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Tracy Ocasio - Orlando/Ocoee, Florida
===> Shaniya Nicole Davis, 5 Fayetteville, NC Missing 11/10/09(BODY FOUND)
===> Holly Bobo, 20yrs old missing Parsons, TN 4/13/11
===> Hailey Dunn - 13yrs old - Colorado City, TX missing 12/27/10 (Body Found)
===> Elizabeth Olten - 9yrs, Jefferson City, MO missing 10/21/09 (BODY FOUND)
===> Lindsey Baum - McCleary, WA 6/26/09
===> Amber Leeanne Dubois 14yrs old - Escondido, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Chelsea King, 17, Missing 2-25-2010 Rancho Bernadino CA (BODY FOUND)
===> Sandra Cantu, 8 years old - Tracy, CA(BODY FOUND)
===> Madeleine McCann - Portugal
===> Christine Marie Sheddy - missing since 11/13/2007 - Maryland(BODY FOUND)
===> Nevaeh Amyah Buchanan 5yr Monroe Michigan(BODY FOUND)
===> Gabriel Johnson 8 mo., last seen 12/26/09 Tempe AZ-San Antonio TX
===> Stacy Ann Peterson missing & Kathleen Savio murdered - Illinois
===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
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===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
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=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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