SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Dirty Hand is the link!

[Lala'sMom]

So what info do we have on Bernadina?  I can't get anything to search on here for me.  I think it's my cheap computer or something.  Where would I look?

[Lala'sMom]

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[Lala'sMom]

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Sorry, my computer is acting funny and I hit post before I was through.

Some thoughts from local Arubans....how do I know that?  They said so in previous posts that they were on the island.

Aenim on June 27th, 2005 10:06 am

Babylonians are not the Dutch, they’re the lawmakers (police, prosecuters etc.) Mostly Dutch.

Keep an eye on the other side of the pond


Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:07 am

So, in conclusion, according to the House of Spirits theory, the Kalpoes lied to protect Joran. All three mentioned the security guard story, but described the Allegro uniforn and John and Jones were detained.

Joran lied, because he didn’t want anybody to know he had been at this party where Natalee stayed (or was forced to stay) AND did not want anyone to ask hem questions about these guys, because he is afraid of them.

Aenim on June 27th, 2005 10:14 am

The Cowboys among others are on the pond as we speak


Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:14 am

Aenim

Is the pond within, acroos the north, or down south???


#  Lucy on June 27th, 2005 10:23 am

Aenim

One more question, to confirm. North beyond, or North within???
# Aenim on June 27th, 2005 10:24 am

Within
# Kris on June 27th, 2005 10:24 am

Aenim–will they find what they are looking for?

Simian on June 27th, 2005 10:51 am

The Babylonians and the cowboys have swarmed the dirty waters. The dead dogs are stinking.

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
You will find some of these posts interesting, I am sure. some of this Simian may be the doppleganger Simian posting.


Kris on June 27th, 2005 10:53 am

Simian,
That is the same water you spoke of before, are we still on track with the blue van? I read some of the posts from last night.

Are PK and I still on the right track with the van, speakers and transport?


kristin on June 27th, 2005 10:55 am

kris what did you figure out about the van?


pktbk on June 27th, 2005 10:56 am

sim-do the dead dogs belong to the half brother?

Kris on June 27th, 2005 10:57 am

Kristin,

Last week sometime, we were throwing out the thought of the blue van being used to transport NH to the kidnappers, either drugged in the large speakers or behind them. Simian kept saying that we were getting close.

I’ll look back and see if I can find the posts.

Simian on June 27th, 2005 10:59 am

The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.

The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.


Lucy on June 27th, 2005 11:09 am

Simian

If there is light on the screen who goes??/ #5 or #1. I am still confused.

Lucy on June 27th, 2005 11:12 am

Simian

I know you don’t like to answer questions, but, una concesià ³n chico …

Simian on June 27th, 2005 11:14 am

The road from the boy’s home leads to the dirty water. Look for Noord and look for Moko.

The cowboys feet are wet. They are not quickdraws, they will creep by the inch. It’s deep and wide. The Babylonians need this, before time runs out.


Lucy on June 27th, 2005 11:14 am

pktbk

Yes, the sonar, but what I am referring is to the Babylonians being right, and the gamblers theory proven correct, so If this is the case (which I do not know the details) I will like to know if # 1 or #5 will fall.

[bc73]

In my eyes, "Dirty Hand" is also the link that could unravel everything. I do feel Joran is the original player, but it reaches far beyond that. As much as I've read both your posts(Columbo@Lala), give me some maze info please.....

[MumInOhio]

# Simian on June 27th, 2005 12:39 am

Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.
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The only thing I am aware of on June 28th is Lorenzo being questioned

Freddy, Carmen then Lorenzo...also Deepak's friend John Croes...all interviewed and Kalpoe stepfather-he was first all interviewed. At this time Freddy appears to be a suspect.

If you take the tomorrow as the 29th because the post was made at 12.39AM...you have Satish interrogation and the transcript of J2K secret recording.

[MumInOhio]

Finally when Shango wakes up after his nap...he reads Babalu's post and replies with this...

Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am

Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting



Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:30 am

Concerned

No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.


So is Shango  agreeing that Dirty Hand IS the Chief of Polis or is Shango agreeing that he is head of some local official corps or that he just knows everything?  Shango never comes out and says anything.  In fact the only thing Shango makes perfectly clear is that he does not think Joran is the one that should be prosecuted...Joran is only a scapegoat in all this.  I will stop before I come to a conclusion that might surprise everyone.

You all have left me with a heap of homework and I'm still looking at what you posted the night before last, Lala's, on the main thread!

Ronny Bernadino was mentioned ages ago, will see what I can find. Jossy always said that van der Stratten was clean.

Lala's...nothing would surprise me......

COLUMBO.....'opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon'...could the view from the Wyndham be the Holiday Inn.

Who was stepping down soon?...van der Stratten and of course Judge Witt...he had already been appointed to the Caribbean Court on 6/1/2005

Came across that interview of a girl who spent an evening with GVC. the one that he received a phone call and said he had to go home.  GVC said to her he worked on a catamaran and that his Dad's company ran all the security for the HI. Why would GVC's lawyer deny this when it has been written so many other places that they did. Same lawyer for Steve Croes and GVC.....More homework......

[MumInOhio]

On the cartoon, as VIP was mentioned in the other thread....VCB...there is a v, and a 'p' or 'b' in the sky. Also a 3, the third letter 'c', and a 'c' in the boat. And all those eyes looking out of the windows! What I posted yesterday said that GVC's Dad was 'interrogated' early, not questioned. House for sale...where are they...where does "Willem' fit in?

More homework..........

[COLOMBO]

M.I.O.-

what is babylon?....a guess- 'what happens in babylon stays in babylon'

[MumInOhio]

M.I.O.-

what is babylon?....a guess- 'what happens in babylon stays in babylon'

LOL...I was just coming back to ask this!  I was thinking all the hotel/casinos. And who would be privy to a whole lot that goes on there? Do we have Dirty Hand or dirty hands? More questions.....

[Lala'sMom]

I may not be the smartest bulb in the box here...but a lot of this cryptic riddling hinges on the fact that both Simian (which did not riddle often) and Shango were feeding off the posters on the blog.  That is why I have said you have to read it in context.  You can take it line by line and make it work with various ideas and terms. At the same time, you have to have a reference point.  Remember there are several posters that were in Aruba posting during this time that we have either never heard from again or they changed their names to protect the innocent. 

For example:

Simian on June 27th, 2005 10:59 am

The cowboys’ steel and wires are screaming. The dirty water is large, deep and too wide, but they are sure there is light on their screen.

The Babylonians will be proven right. All along they were right. The story given by the gamblers might check out after all.


If you read it out of context it seems confusing until you find out they are talking about looking in the dump/quarry area near the Sloots home.  The place TES sent in the diver and they were never able to fully check it out because of all the old cars and appliances and other crap in the hole.

[Lala'sMom]

On the cartoon, as VIP was mentioned in the other thread....VCB...there is a v, and a 'p' or 'b' in the sky. Also a 3, the third letter 'c', and a 'c' in the boat. And all those eyes looking out of the windows! What I posted yesterday said that GVC's Dad was 'interrogated' early, not questioned. House for sale...where are they...where does "Willem' fit in?

More homework..........

Yes, indeed...why did they leave?  Did they move to Holland suddenly? Where is GVC now?  I don't know where they are now...maybe nothing...could have been rumors.  I don't have any idea where they are now.

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...I'm working on putting all the Shango/Simian posts in order, and hopefully will then be able to add other relevent posters. Maybe then it will make more sense! For me this is easier than going back and forth on the front page.

From fatish, Hawaiian looking Jaime's PV. He is referencing the 30th. here.

At approximately 23.00, I had to pick up my father where he works. My dad works at the Wyndham Hotel. After I picked up my father from work we drove home. At approximately 23.20, we arrived home and I immediately went to sleep.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...I'm working on putting all the Shango/Simian posts in order, and hopefully will then be able to add other relevent posters. Maybe then it will make more sense! For me this is easier than going back and forth on the front page.

From fatish, Hawaiian looking Jaime's PV. He is referencing the 30th. here.

At approximately 23.00, I had to pick up my father where he works. My dad works at the Wyndham Hotel. After I picked up my father from work we drove home. At approximately 23.20, we arrived home and I immediately went to sleep.

I think Jaime or Koen would be the most likely to fit this description.  MOO...
Thanks, I have them located somewhere on my computer in order as you say...there is one post by Simian that is not included in the ones we have now.  I found it by accident many, months ago. I have not been able to find it again.  I mentioned that I had never seen this particular post before and I think Klaas agreed with me...maybe she will remember this or can find it with her magnificent searching abilities.   

[Kermit]

Bernadina was buddies with American from PHILADELPHIA -  Frank Rizzo



COSBY: Now, Congressman Rizzo, you also—correct me if I‘m wrong here—but I understand that you actually brought up Aruban law enforcement to train, right, up in your area?

RIZZO: Well before the Natalee Holloway case.


COSBY: Are you maybe too close to the government to make an opinion here, because you‘ve got some buddies?

RIZZO: Absolutely. No closer than you are or Juan Ramos is to anyone in Aruba. I don‘t know if my colleague has even been to Aruba. All I can tell you is...

COSBY: No, but I guess what I‘m asking is, do you have friends in the government where maybe you‘re being influenced by that friendship?

(snip)

RIZZO: The reaction, I think Aruba is busier than ever. They don‘t obviously like to have this negative publicity, and they would love to find Natalee Holloway. They understand the pain of the family. And so do I. But I think a boycott is not a very, very smart way to go.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992345/




Bernadina was Chief of Police and has 38 years behind his belt in the police force and started at 18 years old.

Ain't it interesting during this entire investigation that the Chief of Police was absent and silent in the most high profile case for 3 years!

Ain't it interesting that he "retired"

Ain't it interesting that the chief of polis is who Shango/Simian refers to

Ain't it interesting that Councilman Frank Rizzo from Philadelphia and his lovely wife Debbie attended Bernadina's birthday party in Aruba. http://www.arubatoday.com/newspaper/November/AT-29-11-06.pdf

Ain't it interesting that Joe Mammama guy was from Philadelphia, wants to help Beth, then is arrested.

http://www.arubatoday.com/newspaper/November/AT-28-11-06.pdf

RIZZO:  I‘m not just concerned about the impact that this can have on Aruba.  We have a company, U.S. Airways, in this city, that sends a lot of people from Philadelphia in this region to Aruba.  This company is, as you know, financially stressed at the moment.  And our unions, a lot of people here in this region, could be affected by a boycott of Aruba. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9992345/


Rolando F. Bernadina, LLM
Commissioner of Police 2003 - 2006

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Kermit...I was just going to look for info on him...interesting that he retired!

[Lala'sMom]

According to Shango...dirty hand is the one that can break this case wide open....hmmmmm...well we are still waiting...we know who is might be...and still...unless Dirty Hand talks nothing happens so we are still at square one...again.

If Dirty Hand knows who provided the escort after the Kalpoes left....where was he at the time of this happening so early in the morning?  Was he at a party too? What does he know and what keeps him silent?  Just thinking out loud again...only more questions.

[MumInOhio]

Msmaple just posted this in Natalee's thread, thanks Msmaple:

Armed driver of car at Palace (Place?) of Justice. Doesn't seem to indicate whether he was caught. Apparently a case (cases) involving 10 +/- drug suspects was about to begin.

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[COLOMBO]

Lala's:

"He holds the real key."