SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:39 am
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He had been brought in for questioning that day

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:22 pm
This is not my theory. This is for real.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:26 pm
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:29 pm
I did not say an ex. Do you people read? I not into repeating myself.

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape.  Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week. After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him.

Simian: This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:55 pm
He has an alibi. So tight. So tight.

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:49 pm
The maze offers many hidden desires
deflowerings of forbidden fruits
DirtyHand knows.
So does the elder.

[sirensong]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Dirty Hand is the link!


i just had to throw this out there after reading this.  If Babylonians are the police, this means the police escorted Natalee and Joran, possibly to a party or after hours club.  The police have been seen in photos carousing with the tourists.  This could mean the Chief of Police knows the policemen that hang out with Joran and other kids of prominent people on the island ( Koen,  GVC, Michael Dompig, Steve Croes etc.) and all about the parties they attend?  Thinking out loud.   

[COLOMBO]

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys [a clue here?]

The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent

Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.

here is what I believe Shango means by 'playing cards' (not poker!)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

The arawaks hold the singing cards. They have the babylonian and 2 shivas. But the other card is dirty.
Even if you play cards in the house of babylon as an arawak, you still have DirtyHand.
If DirtyHand comes out of hiding, Babylon will fall and the cowboys will circle the wagons.
DirtyHand can destroy the Arawaks and Babylon.

[MumInOhio]

Still two days behind and found this while looking for stuff on the casino for Lala's


MORE COINCIDENCE...............



UNCAPHER:  Well, normally, they‘ve been searching from the lighthouse to the Alta Vista, which is a church which they think that Natalee may be.   And then this area, there is just a lot of brush and just a lot of ground to cover and also little homes that we may think that, you know, people don‘t have cable or—we can‘t imagine people not knowing about this, but we are just trying to go out there just to see if, you know, people haven‘t heard about it.

CACERES,  JAIME, Alberto Carrasquilia (DOB 4-25-85) - born in Columbia, E.P.I.(Sector Economico)  reportedly one of the PIMPS. Drives a 4 door green Honda Civic, 1997 or 1998. Nickname “Beto”   The places he frequents are "Carlos & Charlies", "Bahia", Tandra", "Cinema" and the beach near the big hotels. Met Joran through Freddy in 2004.  Worked at Caribbean Overseas (June 2005).  Lives in the hamlet of Alto Vista, Aruba.   Interviewed by ALE on two occasions, 6-17-05 and 8-30-05.Joran met Jaime through Freddy according to Joran’s book.


On the way to the Alto Vista Chapel there is a paved road on the left leading to a water tank on a hill. The view from there encompasses the entire north end of the island including a good panoramic view of the Palm Beach hotels, the lighthouse, and the golf course.

http://www.orrin.org/aruba/
Looks like the road to Alto vista is not paved. See picture at link above.

‘Built by Spanish missionaries in 1750, services are still conducted in this little yellow chapel that is considered to be the first church...’

Looks more gold in this pic.

http://hotels.about.com/od/aruba/ig/Aruba-Pictures/Chapel-of-Alto-Vista.htm

[MumInOhio]

Found these this morning and because Lala’s mentioned Guido the other day I thought I would post here.

Only people we have interviewed info on at this time, other than J2K on 5/31, are Guido, June 3rd, 7th, and 8th, and the Kalpoe mother and stepfather on 6/2.

From June 5th 2005….8.34AM …Arbeej

http://bb.visitaruba.com/showthread.php?t=2244&page=6



quote:
"* One of the 3 original "persons of interest" is the son of a Judge on the island of Aruba..."

This was actually confirmed for us by an Aruban news reporter. He confirmed that one is the son of a judge, the other the son of a lawyer. It was not, however, clarified as to whether their Dads and the rest of the families live and work on Aruba. The three boys, though born in other countries, are legal residents of Aruba. I do not Know long they have lived there, but they are indeed legal residents.                   
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This from Anderson Cooper –aired June 3rd at 7PM

Lieutenant Comenencia, can you hear me?

LT. PEPITO COMENENCIA, ARUBA POLICE DEPT.: Yes.

COOPER: Where does the search now stand? What have you been doing to find Natalee?

COMENENCIA: What do we do when we got a lot of tips coming from the whole community. And what we do in regarding the search, investigate all those tips that are coming in until we get and get nothing about those tips that are coming in. But now we are going to close the case a little bit more and I say then we're going over to arrest people. So we don't know yet. The investigation is still going now around. And they're saying maybe for tomorrow, I'm going to have more information for you about this case.


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These posts at this link almost make Joran sound like the ‘boyfriend from earlier in the week’. A lot of reading so you may want to save for later. Now I’m confused. LOL
http://scrux.com/natalee/alanapostings.htm

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...before you write me up in your brand new book with those brand new pencils Santa gave you, I did read what you said about the blond, blue-eyed Dutch boy. I found the 19th. and 20th. very interesting.....

http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=5&y=2006&pagenum=2



At this rate I'll stay two days behind....all I'm trying to find out is why he was questioned so early and who his Mom and Pop are!

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...before you write me up in your brand new book with those brand new pencils Santa gave you, I did read what you said about the blond, blue-eyed Dutch boy. I found the 19th. and 20th. very interesting.....

http://www.katablog.com/month_blogs.cfm?m=5&y=2006&pagenum=2



At this rate I'll stay two days behind....all I'm trying to find out is why he was questioned so early and who his Mom and Pop are!

Never write you up.   

[COLOMBO]

playing cards in the house of babylon 'as an arawak'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRK-CQVQevQ&feature=related

[private eye]

I have read Simian and Shango to death and I can tell you Simain was repeating what the ALE was guessing at.  Why do people keep saying "the jealous boyfriend from earlier in the week", yet no has any idea who that person was.  Not one picture, not one name.  Just some lame reference to a kid that liked Natalee back in the 9th grade which was a bogus and typical lie coming from the disinformation brigade.

The cover up began immediately and Simian was towing the line with ALE.

Well Truthseeker, I guess the name that pops up in my mind is that of Jeremy Brown. He's often referred to as the ex-boyfriend of Natalee. He was in the CnC's that night as well and even danced with Natalee for a while. There's also a persisting rumor that he didn't fly back with the other students on May 30th (just for some more free giggles -> this is also stated in Joran's book...). There are also stories that this has been falsified by American Airlines.

There's also the boy who yelled at Natalee to get out off Deepak's car and the theory that the reason she actually got into the car was to make some guy jealous.

So, if Simian was repeating what the ALE was guessing at, that doesn't rule out that they were onto something. I actually like this Simian guy, since he at least provided some counterweight against the incredibly biased US media/forum hypes that were created around this case from day one (I know that I'm not "preaching for the choir" here at Scared Monkeys by saying this... ). The ALE weren't allowed any access into the rapidly closed MB student community (the maze). Only interviewed by the FBI. This to the frustration of the Aruban investigators.

I'm really surprised that Simian et al, had developed this hypothesis already so early in the game (3 weeks after she'd gone missing), when all the media attention was only focused on J2K and their lies. He also knows weird details about "killing his own dogs", which never has been brought in connection to Joran.

In any criminal case, it's very logical to first look for people with a motive as well as the opportunity to commit a crime. An ex-boyfriend typically is a likely suspect to have a motive (just read the newspapers) and I wouldn't be surprised that he actually wasn't at a party that night (covered by his friends), but spotted Joran and Natalee at the beach,followed them and killed Natalee after Joran had left (or when he was still there and was threatened by Jeremy so he fled the scene barefoot. However this would mean Joran is innocent and would provoke the question why Joran didn't "rat him out").

But for giggles, let's say there WAS a 'boyfriend' from earlier in the week.  Why has Joron or the Kalpoes ratted him out?  Why did the lie about dropping her off at the HI and don't give me any of that "they panicked" bs.  Why did they say she hit her head not only in that lie, but in the lies Joran was telling at school two days later when conveying yet a different story.  It would be easier to rat out the "boyfriend from earlier in the week" that to tell all these lies.

Indeed. Unless Joran and that ex-boyfriend, for what ever reason got rid of the body together after an encounter/fight on the beach. Joran has told best friend Freddy about "they" were at the beach and couldn't bring back Natalee from unconsciousness. I'm absolutely with you that Joran knows more about what happened that night at the beach and either he has something to conceal or he is threatened in such a way that he's not allowed to talk. There's no other explanation for so many lies. I've posted a theory at Scrux that Satish returned to the beach and that the Gardener indeed saw the three boys in the Deepak's car near the pond. I had only two people, but now we have three (i.c. Joran, + Jeremy, Satish and the expired body of Natalee). 

Anyway, not well thought out at all, just dropping random thoughts. So, please save the giggles. Need to think this through better first.

Jeremy Brown was NOT Natalee's boyfriend. Natalee did have a boy she "fancied" and he her, but they never committed to being boyfriend and girlfriend and the boy was not on the trip or even in the same grade as Natalee. If there was even a remote possibility that a boy from Mt Brook harmed her in any way, even hurt her feelings, I know of at least three girls on that trip that would have immediately told Beth, the FBI, the ALE, the world, and anyone else who would listen, and they would have jumped on him and beat the holy crap out of him themselves. Natalee had very very very good friends with her. How they got separated, I don't know, it was just a perfect storm for a moment that allowed this to happen. In addition her cousins, her step brothers cousins were there, and I am positive that they would have told her step brother, who is simply in a class by himself as far as integrity and do right go. Please feel free to discuss it all you like, but you are barking up the wrong tree. I'll concede though I don't know who Jeremy Brown personally. A date to a formal event DOES NOT mean relationship. The crush Natalee had on the boy not there had been ongoing for a couple of years, was mutual, and was the ONLY boy I know of that Natalee ever seriously liked. Its ashame that they never made it to the public relationship stage because he is a really sweet cute kid and they deserved the chance to develop the relationship. But she really did care a lot for him. And he is irrelevant to this as he was not in Aruba or even in her grade so his name will not become public. He knows who he is and he knows he was special to Natallee and that is all that matters.

[MumInOhio]

Found a post I have been searching for for some time...please keep in mind that Babalu is a poster that appears to be on Aruba...not always right...but repeats a lot of things they hear on the street.  For the past 24 hours several posters have been trying to deciper Shango and Simian's postings.  Remember that Babalu is the one that makes a guess about Dirty Hand also...I said a guess.  Babalu has been guessing for a while about it all so take it for what it's worth.  The only person this post fits is Joran. IMO

Mum you will find this interesting..

#  Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:18 am

Rasta

They established earlier, that Arawaks are Colombian, like Arawaks from the Andes.

Also, the filming is at the Kasino, where she is seen in video with suspect #5, the guy she spent her first three days with.

I thought Lordship ws the PM, because he said that he was stepping down soon.

Now the question is, who are the Sumerians???? The Arab Aruba merchants or businessmen?????

193.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.
Posted Jun 22, 4:50 PM

If Simian is truly Aruban then I believe the 'other side of the pond' is The Netherlands. Though later on he refers to the US as this. This was after he did his about face...LOL being trying to translate some of his later posts.

What happened on the 28th. to cause this?

All I can see from the log is Freddy, Lorenzo and the Kalpoe stepdad being questioned? Wonder why the stepdad, remember he was questioned on June 2nd. and was rewarded with the Internet Cafe.

Simian says the man from the inside will call soon...did he start being fed erroneous info...that is if he is not Clyde Burke!

[MumInOhio]

Thanks PI....If indeed there was a 'boyfriend from earlier in the week', which I would take as someone who fancied Natalee, I see him as someone Natalee never knew before she went to Aruba.

Some possibilities....a Dutch boy who flew the coop....a pimp buddy of Joran....or an out of the box one here.....an American 'tourist' she met at the casino or on the beach.

[MumInOhio]

Still back on the 9th.

#  Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:00 am

Regalee

Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole. See my next to last post as to who was questioned on the 28th...that we know of!


# bond on June 27th, 2005 12:00 am

Thanks to you too Bab!! I need to get all of Simians info together.


# Ragalee on June 27th, 2005 12:02 am

Thx Bab. We’ll see if this comes true for Monday, then Tuesday I’ll have to see for myself what happens since I will be in Aruba. This post was made early on the 27th, bearly after midnight, so I'm assuming that Ragalee is leaving for Aruba on the 28th.
See ya.


# JayFreddy on June 27th, 2005 12:05 am

Ok, would someone tell me who Simian is supposed to be?


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:06 am

Regalee

By the way, if you go to the internet cafe, look for Deepak later on during the week. He will not be there on tuesday. If we don;t talk tomorrow, have a nice trip, and enjoy your stay. How did this poster know on the 27th that he would be ordered released on Wednesday July4th? Or are they referring to what Simian said about the Kalpoes being released? June 25th...they might release the Hindus....there are a couple of others, but this is the first one I found!

Regardless he tells to look up Deepak! Did we have any inkling at this time that they may have been released?

[MumInOhio]

His lordhip & the 46th:

http://www.cinema.com/people/000/811/joe-pesci/gallery/page_1.phtml

This Martin Scorsese film depicts the Janus-like   quality of Las Vegas--it has a glittering, glamorous face, as well as a brutal, cruel one.

The Casablanca – Located  in the Wyndham Resort, the casino feautures a bar and live music. Big-buck gamblers gather in the back and the Cabaret Royal Showroom features a review from Havana.


Still working on his lordship......

[MumInOhio]

Finally when Shango wakes up after his nap...he reads Babalu's post and replies with this...

Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am

Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting



Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:30 am

Concerned

No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.


So is Shango  agreeing that Dirty Hand IS the Chief of Polis or is Shango agreeing that he is head of some local official corps or that he just knows everything?  Shango never comes out and says anything.  In fact the only thing Shango makes perfectly clear is that he does not think Joran is the one that should be prosecuted...Joran is only a scapegoat in all this.  I will stop before I come to a conclusion that might surprise everyone.

Wish you wouldn't.....

So is it Bernadina...or GVC's Daddy....or if the houses of Babylon are in fact the casinos...then......?????

[MumInOhio]

So what info do we have on Bernadina?  I can't get anything to search on here for me.  I think it's my cheap computer or something.  Where would I look?

Must be my computer too, and I haven't decided yet if I'm going to get a new one(Vista) or fix this one. Sorta funny how it tracks me around the net! But I didn't find much on old Ronnie in English either and it was taking so long to translate pages, I let it go. Will look again on Monday.

Beginning to think the window that opened wasn't in ALE. They all, being whichever one spoke, backtracked at one time or other. Seems someone else was pulling ALE's strings! Heck even Mos backtracked and he was relatively new on the island.

Who could possibly keep all these in check????

[MumInOhio]

In my eyes, "Dirty Hand" is also the link that could unravel everything. I do feel Joran is the original player, but it reaches far beyond that. As much as I've read both your posts(Columbo@Lala), give me some maze info please.....

Hi...bc73....bringing this forward so that maybe you will get some maze info.
Sorry I meant to do it yesterday, but forgot as I'm still a page back.

Columbo....do you still read the main thread? I am only asking as Lala's and ******* posted some interesting thoughts a few nights back and am not sure if you would have seen them. The one about Freddy being detained since June 9th!

[MumInOhio]

Oh...and to add to the link from yesterday about two arrests in The Netherlands in 2006, the only persons questioned in Aruba around that time appear to be Andres Meneses and his friend. Though I remember there was more when this was discussed way back, the one I looked at this morning was the plane photographer from Costa Rica. I don't guess we ever did find out who he was.


One last thought...maybe Guido was questioned early as to who he saw in the casino earlier in the week. And then as Anna once stated, everyone was arrested, so as they couldn't talk.....

[COLOMBO]

Mum:

His Lordship......in the clip......there to preserve Babylon......check again......he's received alot of unwanted attention since this thing started.......

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:27 pm
The cowboys have only so much gold. The territory is rough. There are many secrets, but the Arawaks are helping.
The palace is open to all, but the palace is a maze to most.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JD44ouab5pc