SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:39 am
The threadsurfers are opening the door to babylon

Shedding light on the underbelly of Aruba and the Dutch involvement there?  Exposing the corruption and evil that exists?

[Lala'sMom]

M.I.O.-

what is babylon?....a guess- 'what happens in babylon stays in babylon'

I know I have asked this before and I think I already know the answer, but you are saying that babylon is a metaphor for the casinos and the gamblers, is that right? 

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys
 
[who knew? = who was owed $?]
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl
the arawaks new the girl
and the babylonians still know the girl

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down (a poison note-follow the $?). They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon
not the elder
remember dirtyhand! (comps)

[MumInOhio]

Found this about when Guido was arrested. There is some interesting posts on page 1 and the first couple on page 2. Too many to copy so I'm putting the link.

Lala's....I think you will find this interesting.

COLUMBO...Is this what you're trying to tell me with all those Youtubes?

http://tinyurl.com/2xy2p5

[MumInOhio]

For Lala's....still looking....


Rolando F. Bernadina, LLM
Commissioner of Police 2003 – 2006

http://www.fbinaa.org/public/articles/details.cfm?id=1131


http://www.fbinaa.org/public/articles/205_RosterCurrent2007.doc


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rolando+bernadina

[Lala'sMom]

For Lala's....still looking....


Rolando F. Bernadina, LLM
Commissioner of Police 2003 – 2006

http://www.fbinaa.org/public/articles/details.cfm?id=1131


http://www.fbinaa.org/public/articles/205_RosterCurrent2007.doc


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rolando+bernadina

Thanks for all the links...I have been reading it all. Some I had already seen before.  The stuff about Bernadina was some I knew was out there....your search skills are good.  Thing is I am even more confused now, according to all the stuff you have linked to...Bernadina is a Commissioner and not the Chief of Police.  Once again, it only leads to more questions.  The poster Babalu that used the words Chief of Police could have just said that because they had no other reference to go on but that term.  Then again, that could be what his title really is...how do we know for sure. Shango never says that is the right answer only that some windows are being opened.  He never comes out and says yes, that is Dirty Hand.  I will say this, from what I have read that you provided...it does seem that Dirty Hand walks "in all circles".  He's a part of a variety of organizations and has many duties. So I am confused again. 

I wonder who Colombo thinks is Dirty Hand for sure?  Did he ever tell us if he thought Paulus was the 5th?  I enjoyed your Lorenzo info.  There has always been confusion between the two, Lorenzo and Guido.  I think it is all Tito's fault...he didn't have the names right or he was intentionally trying to misdirect as I sometimes think Shango does.  Remember, Simian talks 5th suspect and Shango talks Dirty Hand...two enigmatic figures that may or may not have anything to with anything.  This case is more complicated than anything I have ever heard or read about.  MOO

[Lala'sMom]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:27 pm
The elder had to come clean. He knows what damage he had caused. The Simian said to not shake the wire, ‘cause the bird would fly away.
The Simian would never pose. Go back and read what the Simian wrote. The Babylonians knows what happened, but they are up in arms. The gamblers knew the girl. Paulus and Joran are the gamblers.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money? Natalee did not owe money to anyone, it was someone else. Shango must have known by now that it was not Natalee that Joran was helping get money back at the BJ table.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:30 pm
Who knows what song the elder will sing 

The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys Paulus must be the fallen judge.  Does Shango mean that both Joran and Paulus were in this together or often did this together?  It could.
 
[who knew? = who was owed $?]
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:31 pm
The shivas knew the girl 
the arawaks new the girl 
and the babylonians still know the girl

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:36 pm
All that the gamblers knew was written down (a poison note-follow the $?). They knew the girl. She spent her nights at their tables. Did Paulus and Joran have a scheme worked out to fleece tourists of money or other things? Did Paulus always sit in the same spot where the camera could not see his face?  Is that a plan?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:32 pm
His lordship is there to preserve babylon To protect the casinos and thus the money?
not the elder
remember dirtyhand! (comps)

Just a few thoughts, they mean nothing, just thinking.

[MumInOhio]

Hi Lala's...talk about confusing...I just found a Guido Gottenbos! LOL

And that Sander also played tennis in 2005 ...seems he represented Aruba in the pre-qualifying for the Junior Davis Cup. So he also knew his way around the Racquet Club.

I'm still thinking on COLUMBO'S clues....I keep coming up with at least two answers. I'm not sure if a Babylonian is a Dutchman, runs the casinos or the whole system anymore...LOL

Even Jossy is confused...he said Koen left 2 days after Natalee disappeared and never returned. Well there are statements....

Do we know if Guido is Aruban or Dutch? I'm getting kinda stuck on someone else running off to the Netherlands...but that's because in the back of my mind I have one of the SG's mothers saying 'dutch brothers' from an influential family.

Re the Chief of Polis...I'm still not sure which part of that post opens the window.

I know too that I've read about other 'arrests' from Aruban posters that were getting way more info than we got from our news crews.

[COLOMBO]

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
[play "the game"-pg 4:  http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf   ]

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12 (not DirtyHand)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak 

DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks (polis/gov't), and houses of Rave (not parties per se, but where lions 'rave')

His reach is long (as in 'the long-arm...?')

He is the link!

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this (small) house of Babylon. (small house=hotel room?)
But not to satiate desire.

He holds the real key

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.

(reversed.....where the Arawak Nation (gov't officials, polis) meet the children of the babylonians- the pimps, gardeners)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

[Lala'sMom]

Babalú Says: June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am
Concerned: No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
[play "the game"-pg 4:  http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf   ]

Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 4:00 am
Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
Babalu knew who dirty hand was at half past 12 (not DirtyHand)

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:35 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak 

DirtyHand walks in ALL houses
houses of the Arawaks (polis/gov't), and houses of Rave (not parties per se, but where lions 'rave')

His reach is long (as in 'the long-arm...?')

He is the link!

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this (small) house of Babylon. (small house=hotel room?)
But not to satiate desire.

He holds the real key

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.

(reversed.....where the Arawak Nation (gov't officials, polis) meet the children of the babylonians- the pimps, gardeners)

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:45 pm
Windows looking onto Babylon are being opened by the ThreadSurfers

Gosh!  I don't know what is more difficult...trying to interpret Shango or Colombo? 

So who is dirty hand?  Is this the same person that Eleye thought as well?  Please throw me a bone here...I am old and dumb.

[COLOMBO]

dirty hand

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders
[play "the game"-pg 4:  http://www.ca11.uscourts.gov/opinions/ops/200214306.pdf   ]

[COLOMBO]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

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Why did the girl owe money?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset

[Lala'sMom]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

 - - - - - - - - - - -

Why did the girl owe money?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:26 pm
The maze of Babylon is very difficult for the supposed guilty, even if innocent
The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset

That darn singing card once again....is it Joran?  Steve Croes?  Guido?  Could it be Joran and Paulus? (they are of the same hand).  They retracted the confession. If Joran was the singing card...they didn't let him sing.  Natalee did not owe money.  It was another girl, so did they think it was Natalee?  Did someone else owe money and Natalee was considered a pay off of the debt?  Is that why she was drugged?  So she couldn't remember being the payment?  Did Joran get jealous and decided to take some for himself?  I know we have been over all this before.   Yes, I am rolling my eyes again.

[COLOMBO]

that post was in answer to two of your questions

The singing card was in the same hand as the fallen judge.....the singing card was DirtyHand

[COLOMBO]

the singing card was held, then 'walked' with the elder

[COLOMBO]

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this (small) house of Babylon. (small house=hotel room?)
But not to satiate desire.

He holds the real key

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes (money?)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.

He is the link!

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this (small) house of Babylon. (small house=hotel room?)
But not to satiate desire.

He holds the real key

[BUCKSHOT]

Shango and Simian probably gave coded messages at the onset for a few weeks....

But as time went on, and identities were close to being compromised, I feel they retreated, vanished, and/or manifested away.  Their posts went from subtle (and maybe truthful) clues to multiple a.k.a.'s, slowly adding comic book language so as to distance themselves from being discovered by their own people.

[Lala'sMom]

that post was in answer to two of your questions

The singing card was in the same hand as the fallen judge.....the singing card was DirtyHand

So who is it?  If the singing card IS the same person as Dirty Hand and he walked with Paulus...then Ben King comes to mind. Walked?  Where?  When did he walk with Paulus?  When he was released from jail?  When he was at the house and they came to search?  That could be others as well. 

Okay, we have these candidates for Dirty Hand...
van der Straaten
Ben King
Rudy Croes
Ronny Bernadina
who else works in ALE? 

Trying to figure this out.  Who did I miss?  Just tell me who you think is Dirty Hand. PLEASE!!

[Lala'sMom]

Shango and Simian probably gave coded messages at the onset for a few weeks....

But as time went on, and identities were close to being compromised, I feel they retreated, vanished, and/or manifested away.  Their posts went from subtle (and maybe truthful) clues to multiple a.k.a.'s, slowly adding comic book language so as to distance themselves from being discovered by their own people.

Simian....it wasn't just Joran it was another person a 5th suspect.  The 5th suspect is the person that is really responsible for what happened to Natalee.  Who is the 5th?

Shango....Joran was just a scapegoat in all this.  The PTB are the ones responsible and it is being controlled by Dirty Hand.  He doesn't participate, but it's a racket.  Most of the time no one gets hurt.  Who is Dirty Hand?

Both claim Joran is not the only one involved and the Kalpoes are basically relegated to a lower status than Joran.  They didn't know what happened after they left Joran and Natalee.  Joran is afraid of someone else...he won't talk because he's scared.  Afraid of whom?   Sometimes I think we read way too much into these riddles.  Simian and Shango are cowards. They could come to the FP and answer all these questions, yet they choose not to...why?  They are cowards!

[MumInOhio]

82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM



I started to wonder about this new judge so went back and read the thread. There is no interaction between Shango and Simian on this thread. Only Simian is posting.

ON this thread it is said that there will be two more arrests tomorrow and one is the Chief of Polis!

From here on there were not two more arrests, in fact Steve and Paulus were released. Three questioned on the 28th. Freddy, Lorenzo and Luis Ramirez. What does he have to do with this? Is he an elder? Does he work in the casinos like Jaime’s Dad. Where does Freddy’s Dad work? Are they all part of COLUMBO’S game?

Why have the federales left? Why have Beth and Greta left?
Why could the judge not island hop? Who was the new judge? Who was the old judge?

They don’t own the hammer and the block…did they?  (Judge Witt was assigned to the Caribbean Court on June 1st, but still managed to make some decisions in this case. Most later decisions were made by Judge Smid)