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Lala'sMom
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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle
If this were true, then no wonder the cover up. It would make sense that everyone that is anybody on Aruba and also those that visit and pay the high dollars would need a cover up in order to protect everyone. Could explain the teepees falling. It would cause homes to be destroyed when the news of who were the elders became known. Maybe I am just too conspiratorial here, I don't know. As usual I am confused again. I need to sort my thoughts a bit.
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Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 12:29:03 AM
Amsterdam Manor is gold........maybe this was the golden maze. My feeling is there has to be a particular place, probably a hotel that tourists in general are taken when found passed out, drunk on the beach, or wherever until they can sleep it off. Maybe they brought Natalee to this place?
What is Amsterdam Manor? A hotel?
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on August 04, 2007, 12:40:38 AM
Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 12:39:29 AM
Places like the Marriott and HI are very large, always busy even in the middle of the night. The thing about a place which is smaller is it is discrete. Amsterdam manor is the place the sloots lived when they first moved to aruba.
Low Rise Visibility Team Kick Off Party At Amsterdam Manor
http://tinyurl.com/34gwd2
That is very interesting. I have not seen this before.
Just something to consider perhaps.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on August 04, 2007, 12:43:07 AM
Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 12:29:03 AM
Amsterdam Manor is gold........maybe this was the golden maze. My feeling is there has to be a particular place, probably a hotel that tourists in general are taken when found passed out, drunk on the beach, or wherever until they can sleep it off. Maybe they brought Natalee to this place?
What is Amsterdam Manor? A hotel?
Yes. Older one compared to many. It is in the low rise hotel area on the beach. Eagle beach i think?
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on August 04, 2007, 12:42:18 AM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:53 pm
The Tribe knows all of the players, even the elders of the inner circle
If this were true, then no wonder the cover up. It would make sense that everyone that is anybody on Aruba and also those that visit and pay the high dollars would need a cover up in order to protect everyone. Could explain the teepees falling. It would cause homes to be destroyed when the news of who were the elders became known. Maybe I am just too conspiratorial here, I don't know. As usual I am confused again. I need to sort my thoughts a bit.
I don't think you are on the wrong track here. Whether there were some prominent people involved in the disappearance or just in the cover up, it would look bad for everyone.
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Shango Says:June 27th, 2005 at 11:26 pm
The Arawaks will not enter the maze unless the cowboys refuse the peace pipe
Follow the music,
the lions are not tame
DirtyHand knows,
so does the elder
The island people will not reveal the activities of the ruling class unless the Americans refuse to accept the sacrifice of just Joran. Follow the music seems to refer to the information that is available but not readily understood. Some of the people responsible are difficult to control. Van Der Straaten knows this and so does Paulus.
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I think too there a several verses by shango that are not of any great importance with regard to Natalee's disappearance and contributing information. This is JMO. Then why write it? Call it creative/poetic license.
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Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 01:05:22 AM
I think too there a several verses by shango that are not of any great importance with regard to Natalee's disappearance and contributing information. This is JMO. Then why write it? Call it creative/poetic license.
Other than trying to explain who/what Shango is which verses do you think were not related to Natalee's disappearance?
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Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 12:39:29 AM
Places like the Marriott and HI are very large, always busy even in the middle of the night. The thing about a place which is smaller is it is discrete. Amsterdam manor is the place the sloots lived when they first moved to aruba.
Low Rise Visibility Team Kick Off Party At Amsterdam Manor
http://tinyurl.com/34gwd2
Well, you certainly covered every angle with that link. Wow!
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Here is an example of what I mean. The following verse was written on june 26th, 2 days following the celebration of St Johns day in aruba which is june 24th. This holiday is marked by lighting fires as one part of the celebration. I am not sure it has anything to do with Natalee's going missing though.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist
to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
No loot, but many answers.
Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching.
we must have a sacrifice.
Light the fires!
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Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 01:13:01 AM
Here is an example of what I mean. The following verse was written on june 26th, 2 days following the celebration of St Johns day in aruba which is june 24th. This holiday is marked by lighting fires as one part of the celebration. I am not sure it has anything to do with Natalee's going missing though.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist
to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
No loot, but many answers.
Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching.
we must have a sacrifice.
Light the fires!
Here's how I interpret thatL
It’s possible that the Americans will be given some leeway or information that will help end this. Not Natalee, but some explanations. They believe this will satisfy the Americans. The politicians are paying attention to this.
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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?
Could this be how they catch their prey? Play in the casinos and the one that owes them money is bailed out and then enticed by the one that can win back the money? I know this wasn't Natalee, but I have always wondered if maybe it didn't matter. They just needed a girl. So Joran wins back some of the money and all the girls are impressed and begin to trust him. I think some have said that Joran is a terrible player anyway, but if the house lets you win....then you look good to the American girls that are out having a good time. That bunch knows what they are doing, they've done before. Geez! I don't know how they will ever fix this mess...the Dutch, I mean.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on August 04, 2007, 01:18:01 AM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?
Could this be how they catch their prey? Play in the casinos and the one that owes them money is bailed out and then enticed by the one that can win back the money? I know this wasn't Natalee, but I have always wondered if maybe it didn't matter. They just needed a girl. So Joran wins back some of the money and all the girls are impressed and begin to trust him. I think some have said that Joran is a terrible player anyway, but if the house lets you win....then you look good to the American girls that are out having a good time. That bunch knows what they are doing, they've done before. Geez! I don't know how they will ever fix this mess...the Dutch, I mean.
You may not be far off with that idea. With Guido there as the croupier he could scope the big money losers for the pimps.
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Quote from: truthseeker2 on August 04, 2007, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 01:13:01 AM
Here is an example of what I mean. The following verse was written on june 26th, 2 days following the celebration of St Johns day in aruba which is june 24th. This holiday is marked by lighting fires as one part of the celebration. I am not sure it has anything to do with Natalee's going missing though.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist
to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
No loot, but many answers.
Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching.
we must have a sacrifice.
Light the fires!
Here's how I interpret thatL
It’s possible that the Americans will be given some leeway or information that will help end this. Not Natalee, but some explanations. They believe this will satisfy the Americans. The politicians are paying attention to this.
....or it can be "interpreted" as the ALE/ government will "cooperate" or
twist
, but only to appease the searchers/family. They will get nothing, no loot, but this is better than "falling houses" ......than their discovery of the hidden corruption. But IMO it isn't about Natalee.........
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Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 01:26:56 AM
Quote from: truthseeker2 on August 04, 2007, 01:14:38 AM
Quote from: bleachedblack on August 04, 2007, 01:13:01 AM
Here is an example of what I mean. The following verse was written on june 26th, 2 days following the celebration of St Johns day in aruba which is june 24th. This holiday is marked by lighting fires as one part of the celebration. I am not sure it has anything to do with Natalee's going missing though.
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:58 pm
Halls of the house of babylon may suddenly twist
to accomodate cowboys walking in the maze.
No loot, but many answers.
Better twisted hallways than fallen houses.
Many invisible spirits around Arawak Fires. Many gods watching.
we must have a sacrifice.
Light the fires!
Here's how I interpret thatL
It’s possible that the Americans will be given some leeway or information that will help end this. Not Natalee, but some explanations. They believe this will satisfy the Americans. The politicians are paying attention to this.
....or it can be "interpreted" as the ALE/ government will "cooperate" or
twist
, but only to appease the searchers/family. They will get nothing, no loot, but this is better than "falling houses" ......than their discovery of the hidden corruption. But IMO it isn't about Natalee.........
I guess it's all in how you frame it. To me, it's all related to Natalee and the search for her and what happened to her.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on August 04, 2007, 01:18:01 AM
Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Why did the girl owe money?
Could this be how they catch their prey? Play in the casinos and the one that owes them money is bailed out and then enticed by the one that can win back the money? I know this wasn't Natalee, but I have always wondered if maybe it didn't matter. They just needed a girl. So Joran wins back some of the money and all the girls are impressed and begin to trust him. I think some have said that Joran is a terrible player anyway, but if the house lets you win....then you look good to the American girls that are out having a good time. That bunch knows what they are doing, they've done before. Geez! I don't know how they will ever fix this mess...the Dutch, I mean.
I hadn't thought about that but it sounds like a very possible way for joran to win the trust of the MB girls, or whatever tourist happens to be there. He certainly seemed to know all the tricks. There was the lie about being a tourist from holland. He wore the all inclusive bracelet. Oh yea and then there was Loco steffy to make the american tourist girl feel at ease.......that angle was an important one.
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Well, BB your sig line is very appropriate tonight. The edges have blurred even more.
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Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 5:22 pm
The babylonians knew it was dangerous to trade among the arawaks
The way is clouded for the sacrifice
Rules have changed, so has the maze
the way is lost for the pioneers who went to live among the indians
The flames are growing
A sacrifice will be made to spare the police;
to spare the teepees
Singing cards have lost their power
Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand
His lordship will bestow the title soon….
They will save the teepees and the palace,
but first
The Sacrifice
The ruling class knew better than to get too close to the island people. The ruling class is not ready to give up anyone from their side. Now there is some doubt that a sacrifice will be offered. Now the island people are close to having the upper hand. They want this to be over. They will give up Joran to save the ALE’s role in this from being discovered and save the businesses from going under. They are no longer interested in telling the truth…just get it over with.
They don’t want the world to know what their law enforcement team does when crimes are committed against tourists. His lordship will replace Van Der Straaten. Aruba will be saved the embarrassment with a sacrifice.
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Quote from: Lala'sMom on August 04, 2007, 01:36:41 AM
Well, BB your sig line is very appropriate tonight. The edges have blurred even more.
I don't want to "blurr" the picture. I sure wish we had more definite answers.
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===> Zahra Clare Baker - 10yrs old Hickory, NC (Body Found)
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Natalee Holloway
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Important Case Documents
===> Joran Statements/PV's
===> Paulus Statements/PV's
===> Deepak Statements/PV's
===> Satish Statements/PV's
===> Misc Statements/PV's
=> LCD Archive
=> Shango/Simian and other Codetalkers
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Current Events and Musings
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=> Monkey Musings / Open Discussion
=> Pop Culture Main
===> Hugely Popular TV Shows
===> Movies and Television
===> Social Media
===> Music
===> Books
===> Scared Monkeys Radio with Dana Pretzer
=> Health and Medical Issues
=> Food and Product Recalls
=> News of the Day
=> Business News
=> Sports
=> Political Forum
=> Religion (discussion and debate)
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The Monkey Lounge
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=> The Monkey Lounge
===> Fashion & Decorating
===> What's Cooking? Recipes
===> Games
=> Inspirational
===> Memorial - Gone but Never Forgotten
===> Gratefulness - Light a Candle in Prayer
===> Inspirational scriptures, songs, stories and prayers
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Natalee Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> Natalee Holloway
=> Theory and Speculation
=> Links and References Only
=> Natalee Breaking News Archive
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General Discussions (2005 ARCHIVE)
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=> News Issues
=> Chit Chat
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