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« Reply #900 on: January 19, 2008, 08:54:46 PM »

in trying to figure out who DH is,  we found:

Shango:  Why have all forgotten DirtyHand, who has aided son of SlanderFoot?
Simian: In the other car

In defense of MJ, somebody claimed that they had received a ride from him-which I found rather ironic-given the circumstances

as I understand it (for whatever that's worth):

Shango states that he's (DH) not an Arawak (but could be the in-law of one, subject to interp.)




Now this is where I don't understand how you come up with this stuff...how did you come up with this in-law relation?  Where did that come from?  Never heard that one before. To me "not an arawak" means he's not Aruban.  What does it mean to you? 

Who is the someone that received a ride?  Joran?  Kalpoes? Someone else? Where is that one from?  I have missed something here and I don't know what it is.





Simian Says: June 25th, 2005 at 7:41 pm
Kalpoes went home. Joran stayed behind. Somebody had to come get him.


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:48 pm
The boy told the Hindus that he didn’t need their help anymore. This was in the small hours.
The confrontation was brutal.  So who heeded his call? Who switched places?

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 11:23 pm
Who took the boy to the party? Who took him home? Therein lies the third act. Look up the Simian’s posts from days ago.
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« Reply #901 on: January 20, 2008, 11:55:08 AM »

I got to thinking about some things and remembered this from Arubagirls blog.

This was way back in October of 05. Thought you all might find it interesting. It is about the election.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html

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« Reply #902 on: January 20, 2008, 01:19:40 PM »

I got to thinking about some things and remembered this from Arubagirls blog.

This was way back in October of 05. Thought you all might find it interesting. It is about the election.

http://arubagirl.typepad.com/lost_in_smallness/2005/10/there_was_an_el.html



Thanks Sam, I have read this before, but forget more than I know most days. Interesting for sure.
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« Reply #903 on: January 21, 2008, 02:52:21 AM »

Klaasend:

Anyone have the complete Riddle in sequence and date order?

I have read it all and I do believe it is not difficult to solve. It is like Dungen and Dragons but with an Aruba/American flavor to it.

To solve it you must have good knowledge of Aruba. (the habits of the young generation, Where do they go on Friday, Saturday or sunday night and after these clubs is closing, where do they go.. There are several places that I know of but only three places if you have a girl  and want to score with it.

I would like to take a shot to this riddle but I need the whole riddle in sequence and not commented on send to my email


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« Reply #904 on: January 21, 2008, 09:20:43 AM »

I will send you the one that I have....email me...cindoal@yahoo.com.
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« Reply #905 on: January 21, 2008, 09:22:03 AM »

OK, I messed up that link...sorry.  Try this one:  cindoal@yahoo.com
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« Reply #906 on: January 21, 2008, 09:42:36 AM »

OK, I messed up that link...sorry.  Try this one:  cindoal@yahoo.com


LOL ...Lala's...this middle aged woman planned on still working on this through her old age....if Caps solves the riddle....what will I do....sigh

COLUMBO...thanks for answering my question.....
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« Reply #907 on: January 21, 2008, 11:48:22 AM »

OK, I messed up that link...sorry.  Try this one:  cindoal@yahoo.com


LOL ...Lala's...this middle aged woman planned on still working on this through her old age....if Caps solves the riddle....what will I do....sigh

COLUMBO...thanks for answering my question.....

The riddle has been solved...the entire Shango story is based upon the fact that there is a secret society ( or whatever term you choose) that is connected to the drug cartels, mafia lords, and such.  We know there is an underbelly of corruption and mayhem on that island.  We also know that the influential people there have connections to this seedy side of Aruba.  This is not a revelation...it's a known fact.  Shango may be dead by now for trying to talk or maybe he is still living happily ever after. Much speculation....no real answers.

Dirty Hand is the key...yeah right.  So we have such people as Ben King, Jan van der Straaten, Rudy Croes, and Ronny Bernadina as candidates for said title.  We already know this....what good does it do?  Absolutely none!  If we say Dirty Hand is Straaten...so what?  No teepees crash and nothing happens.  If we say that Dirty Hand is Ben King and make all the logical arguments as to it being true...so what?  No one is afraid...it's too late.  You can make the same argument for anyone else thought to be the elusive Dirty Hand.  No one is going to investigate this possibility and do what is necessary to make them talk. We can continue to speculate until our own demise and it will never be solved...the person that can solve it is Dirty Hand himself by telling what he knows and bringing justice in this case.

Shango's entire riddle deflects most of the guilt away from Joran and onto unknown parties.  Persons that have no names or faces....therefore releasing Joran of any responsibility in this crime.  Don't be fooled, Shango did not know where Natalee was when it was all over.

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« Reply #908 on: January 21, 2008, 12:32:36 PM »

Lalas, I really liked the last post you made.

Now I know you said you had read the link I sent before now but did you notice this one paragraph. repeated below.

See, if there is one corrupt person on this island, it's Hendrik Croes. The Netherlands is never going to accept Hendrik Croes. The thing is, that Rudy Croes surely must be savvy enough to know this, so I'm wondering if he's forcing a showdown between MEP and the rest of the people who are loyal to MEP because of Betico Croes (founder and revered late leader of MEP). As Nel said: 11 (majority) - 1 (Rudy?) = 0 (no majority)
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« Reply #909 on: January 21, 2008, 12:53:09 PM »

Lalas, I really liked the last post you made.

Now I know you said you had read the link I sent before now but did you notice this one paragraph. repeated below.

See, if there is one corrupt person on this island, it's Hendrik Croes. The Netherlands is never going to accept Hendrik Croes. The thing is, that Rudy Croes surely must be savvy enough to know this, so I'm wondering if he's forcing a showdown between MEP and the rest of the people who are loyal to MEP because of Betico Croes (founder and revered late leader of MEP). As Nel said: 11 (majority) - 1 (Rudy?) = 0 (no majority)

Yes I did indeed.  I knew this before, but as with most things I forget more than I remember.  Thanks for reminding me. Rudy Croes is deep in all this mess and he has been trying to play both sides for a while now.  I think eventually it will catch up to him, much the same way it has caught up with Glenda, Bondia, or whatever she goes by now.
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« Reply #910 on: January 21, 2008, 01:18:00 PM »

Caps Lock....for you. I have more things, but most have been posted or discussed at length in this thread at some time or another.  Anything further I can help you with email me...I have other things you may be interested in too.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=281.0
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« Reply #911 on: January 21, 2008, 04:12:05 PM »

one straight, unpaved path:

http://ktla.trb.com/news/ktla-missingocwoman,0,7156030.story?coll=ktla-news-2

http://scaredmonkeys.com/category/george-allen-smith-iv/

gambling anyone??????
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« Reply #912 on: January 21, 2008, 04:44:03 PM »


Yes, yes...the casinos.  Owing money....I know all that.  Tell me who is the 5th suspect.  Tell me who is Dirty Hand? Who is Arawak Dirty Hand? Who provided the alibi?  Tell me who was guilty of killing Natalee?  Tell me what good it is going to do now?  How does this help find Natalee and bring justice?  We are getting nowhere....yes, I am frustrated today....tomorrow I will be calmer.
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« Reply #913 on: January 21, 2008, 04:51:03 PM »

5th.....these are sequential.......first mention of PVDS......


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left? (easy if there was no party)

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (he=5th suspect)
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He had been brought in for questioning that day
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« Reply #914 on: January 21, 2008, 05:05:55 PM »

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You are saying that Paulus is the 5th suspect...when did he meet Natalee earlier?  Where was the party?  At his house?  Simian says he was the host.  Who provided his alibi?  I don't disagree with you yet, I just want to eliminate all the others and have Paulus left as the 5th.  There are other characters here that fit this scenario also. 
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« Reply #915 on: January 21, 2008, 06:05:18 PM »

Simian was not saying that there a party......this, he says, was the alibi
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« Reply #916 on: January 21, 2008, 06:46:05 PM »

5th.....these are sequential.......first mention of PVDS......Where is the name Paulus van der Sloot mentioned in this?


Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:50 pm
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.
Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 4:56 pm
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:00 pm
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:03 pm
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left? (easy if there was no party) HOST to me says there WAS a party.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:09 pm
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:13 pm
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.

Simian Says: June 22nd, 2005 at 5:16 pm
He had to be let go (he=5th suspect)
Paulus' duties were suspended on or about 6/17/05.
He had been brought in for questioning that day


Still not convinced.  If you read the entire conversation between all the posters in this section you will find that they are not even talking about Paulus at all.  In fact, they are talking about a MB teen to begin with.  Checkme shows up and then Simian.  Both have differing theories.  Checkme is the one everyone believes and Simian is jealous that no one thinks he/she knows anything about the case....that is when Simian begins talking about the 5th suspect.  Once again, in the conversations, the mention of a blue van and LVR comes up...but not Paulus.  I am still uncertain how you can determine this by this one conversation.  I don't discount you are correct however.
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« Reply #917 on: January 21, 2008, 07:11:38 PM »

No mention of PVDS before "5th".....as if he waited until he knew it would be in the news.......

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« Reply #918 on: January 21, 2008, 07:16:27 PM »

Simian was relaying the legal posture being taken by PVDS (the party)......but also says sometimes friends will cover for each other.......if this is the alibi which could be broken, then I am unconvinced that there was one.....



Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Één getuige is géén getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

ONE OF THE WITNESSES IS NO WITNESS, HE IS A PERPETRATOR

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.
No one has openly said there is no hope. Three cadaver dogs on the way. Sonar equipment to look for a body in as deep as 300 meters of water.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 11:17 am
Waiting for a call…

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

Simian Says: June 23rd, 2005 at 2:23 pm
The older Van Der Sloot has been taken in again by Aruban Police.

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« Reply #919 on: January 21, 2008, 07:34:29 PM »

Any chance the term "host" refers to the casino? A casino "host" takes care of its good clients,making sure everything is covered for. Just throwing it out there...
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