SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Come to think of it, I thought I heard Beth drop his name on Greta one night, and-if memory serves me....and I may be wrong here......but I thought it made ALE quite upset

What holds more water and who?...TIA

[MumInOhio]

Post went poof, so will call it a night...will check in the morning for the answer to COLUMBO'S riddle...Goodnight all...

[2NJSons_Mom]

COLOMBO,

You posted this link to a cnn article....was it the one you questioned on the previous page after Lala's post thinking about a party, etc.?  Your response asked if her thoughts held more water than the cnn headline....imo

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/06/23/aruba.holloway/index.html

[Lala'sMom]

This holds more water than the CNN headline?

What does this mean?  I am simply posting what you had asked for and stating what I think...I am sure you would know more than I would.  You have been at this longer than I have.  I guess, I think...maybe. 

[COLOMBO]

Looking at anything that might point to anybody else as 5th....."Lucy" exchange hardly conclusive.....does suggest other possibility

[COLOMBO]

anything else?

[2NJSons_Mom]

anything else?

It's hard to determine when you are trying to get us to find an answer that you've figured out and when you are in the same boat as we are.  Guess we are asking the same question....anything else? 

[CapsLockWizard]

I do think now reading from Simian post 180 down that the killer must be a Casino worker that tried to off himself early from work.

[Lala'sMom]

I do think now reading from Simian post 180 down that the killer must be a Casino worker that tried to off himself early from work.

Please explain...are you talking about Guido?  He is the only casino worker that was a suspect that we know of...I think.  So you are saying that the person that killed Natalee was a casino worker?  hmmmmm. Please post what in Simian's posts that leads you to this conclusion. TIA

[klaasend]

I do think now reading from Simian post 180 down that the killer must be a Casino worker that tried to off himself early from work.

Please explain...are you talking about Guido?  He is the only casino worker that was a suspect that we know of...I think.  So you are saying that the person that killed Natalee was a casino worker?  hmmmmm. Please post what in Simian's posts that leads you to this conclusion. TIA

Was Guido Joran's boyfriend from earlier in the week?  Guido had scratches on his face.  Did Guido get mad because Joran was with Natalee?  Even if Guido did kill Natalee I believe Joran was there when it happened.

[MumInOhio]

Bringing this discussion from August forward as Jossy is quoted as saying that it was not Guido who had the scratches.   


dialogue from final LCD thread on August 11, 2007, 07:07:02 PM

How did Guido get into this picture, charged as suspected as being accomplice to among other things heavy battery, "Grievous Bodily Harm". What time did Guido leave work that late night?

Anybody think that Guido was questioned in the first week of June 05 because of scratch/other witnesses, unrelated to Joran...initially?

I've a question. Did Jossy say or write that the scratches were on GvC not Guido?

He was detained last Wednesday. He was considered a witness in June, 2005. Since February of this year, he is now a suspect. Prosecutor in Aruba want him very quickly. Main evidence against him is witness made statements against him. He claims that he is innocent and never met Natalee last June.

Jossy says he will have to come back to Aruba and the case will go forward in court. Guido Wever is his name. He did not have scratches or bruises on him last June. He was interrogated last June. Good friend of Joran. Played Tennis with him and gambles with Joran. Jossy believes Guido is in bigger trouble than GVC ever was. GVC never knew Joran.

Also, according to Jossy Mansur of Diario in Aruba Guido Weaver is not the individual that was arrested the other day with the scratches on his face. Guido Weaver is another detained individual. The identity of the individual who was arrested with the scratches has yet to be identified.

[MumInOhio]

Caps….In reference to your Montana apartment….

From Joran’s book
the man from the bus and another unknown white guy with brown hair are watching Natalee give bodyshots. Natalee has spoken to neither of them. Ruth and Natalee talk to an Amsterdam man called "G". He says that he is on Aruba for the summer and has an apartment


I posted this after you logged out on the other thread this morning


Caps...some believe that there was in fact another investigation going on at the time. We have wondered about the fact that something was caught on tape of that night. The FOP agreement that the US has with Aruba states that anything they found could only be used in the arrests of suspects in drug cases. So if anything was seen or heard in Natalee's case it could not be used against anyone.

[MumInOhio]

Never noticed that Simians's posts jumped from 168 to 180 before. I will go back and take alook today or tomorrow. If anyone has them, please post. They may have been just snipped on accident.....

[COLOMBO]

eyes of god look from afar with great acuity:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izArWUVtMC4

[Lala'sMom]

Never noticed that Simians's posts jumped from 168 to 180 before. I will go back and take alook today or tomorrow. If anyone has them, please post. They may have been just snipped on accident.....

There are several comments in other sections mostly attributed to the fake Simian or as some would say the doppleganger.  I read some of them last night while searching for another post.

So....has Caps decided who is the 5th suspect?  Better yet...who is Dirty Hand? 

[MumInOhio]

Never noticed that Simians's posts jumped from 168 to 180 before. I will go back and take alook today or tomorrow. If anyone has them, please post. They may have been just snipped on accident.....

There are several comments in other sections mostly attributed to the fake Simian or as some would say the doppleganger.  I read some of them last night while searching for another post.

So....has Caps decided who is the 5th suspect?  Better yet...who is Dirty Hand? 

Lala's...I think these are real as I have seen them used. I have found the thread - with 800 posts- and 9 of the posts, but my stupid electric keeps going out. Will do a quick check for the last two....Good Morning all!

[Lala'sMom]

Klaas
Please explain the numbering system used in the Real Simian posts...is this a reference to what post number they were?  If so, my numbers don't coincide with the ones we have...if not, is it just a method of ordering them in a logical way? TIA

[MumInOhio]

Still missing two...I went through a couple of earlier threads...will keep looking!

     Missing Simian posts

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 10:34 am
He’s too afraid to confess.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 10:36 am
The boy was picked up at 23:00 on Sunday at Mickey D’s. Sneaked out later. Was on time for school. Don’t mix things up.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 10:50 am
He’s afraid of the real killer. He has no way out.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 10:53 am
http://www.steveyuhas.com/columns/yuhas_20050621.htm

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 10:56 am
The authorities have informed the family that their is no hope of finding her alive.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 11:03 am
1. No body; no crime.
2. A grown woman gone missing.
3. Éà ©n getuige is gà ©Ãƒ ©n getuige. (One witness is no witness).
4. No suspect is allowed to testify against himself.
5. A confession will be thrown out of court if there is no evidence.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 11:06 am
The important “others” are the ones that supported the alibi.
No one has openly said there is no hope. Three cadaver dogs on the way. Sonar equipment to look for a body in as deep as 300 meters of water.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 11:17 am
Waiting for a call…

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:30 pm
Paulus has been picked up.

And we have these…

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:46 pm
Confirmed. He has been detained.

Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:52 pm
Oh my God…

   
Simian on June 23rd, 2005 2:53 pm
Has Greta not learned yet that we don’t charge our people until trial???

[klaasend]

Klaas
Please explain the numbering system used in the Real Simian posts...is this a reference to what post number they were?  If so, my numbers don't coincide with the ones we have...if not, is it just a method of ordering them in a logical way? TIA

The numbering probably means nothing.  I have the ability to search for posts by IP, email addy, nickname, etc. 

When I searched for the Simian posts (the real ones) I believe i searched by email addy as the real Simian always used the same email address.

I would disreguard the numbers.

[Lala'sMom]

Thank you Klaas...that is what I thought.  Just making sure.  Did you get my email last night?  Have you blocked all my emails?  I have missed another memo...haven't I?