SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

Mum
I am thinking you mean Freddy's arrest on the underage filming...I am not sure.  That is what I was looking for...I know you posted about it before, but I can not search in this new format.   I have tried and I don't seem to have the secret decoder ring any longer.

[Lala'sMom]

OMG!  We are on page 50...what does this mean for Shango?   

[MumInOhio]

Mum
I am thinking you mean Freddy's arrest on the underage filming...I am not sure.  That is what I was looking for...I know you posted about it before, but I can not search in this new format.   I have tried and I don't seem to have the secret decoder ring any longer.

No decoder ring here either...You just reminded me of the one that Jossy said about Freddy being detained early on....Jossy thought it was for supplying Joran a false alibi ...a false alibi for when....just saw that this morning too LOL...will snag it in the morning. Though I know its in the last 25 or so pages of this thread!!!!

[bc73]

Mum, I know it always has been discussed as far as the casino goes, I personally always feel a crime always shoots back to the beginning, which is the casino...I'm from an area where people goto Aruba to "make easy money" in their card games. These aren't little games, and where there are gambling scenes like that, there are bigger and badder scum, as we know. Feel the answers lie in that casino, really not some reach, JMO.

[CapsLockWizard]

Klaaasend this is the sequence I think that Simian is talking about is this


About Steve Croes:

Here see for your self


183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme ¦check this¦and please recheck:

Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in Casino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the Casino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same Casino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.

First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.

How can this ever be solved?  --- > here he explain why it can not be solve.
Posted Jun 22, 5:41 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth


188.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
A jealous boyfriend was at home with some friends. He couldn’t have done it. Sometimes friends will cover for each other.
Posted Jun 22, 5:13 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

189.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
A scorned lover needs a motive? Drives some people to some crazy deeds.
Posted Jun 22, 5:09 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

190.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left?
Posted Jun 22, 5:03 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

191.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week.
Posted Jun 22, 5:00 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

192.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect has an alibi so strong that he has everybody baffled.
Posted Jun 22, 4:56 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

193.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Some people on the other side of the pond know more than what they are saying. There testimony, there’s security footage, there are witnesses.
Posted Jun 22, 4:50 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

62.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The alibi needs to be broken. The dogs have pouches on their feet. They are checking the dirty waters in Noord.
The Babylonians know what the girl did earlier in the week. Therein lies the motive. The third act will played soon, but the boy is not Ajax. He is too afraid to pull off such a feat.

72.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Shock means well. He understands the Babylonians, but they don’t hold the hammer nor the block.
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. (they also know what whent wrong and have seen)The house was dusted. (they cleaned the evedance)
Posted Jun 26, 3:18 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Sunday Morning Update” | View Post

151.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Nobody is a boob. The alibi needs to be destroyed. Daddy knows who was there. He has answers too.
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154.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Who said the alibi played for the Van Der Sloot’s? The 5th suspect is waltzing away.
Posted Jun 24, 10:45 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

155.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect. Does anyone remember what I said?
Posted Jun 24, 10:43 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

156.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Anybody wants a blessing from Saint Alibi?
Posted Jun 24, 10:35 AM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Evening Update; Natalee Holloway” | View Post

157.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Steve Croes is singing. He walk away with murder?

#183 repeats for clarification
183.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:40 pm
Simian Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 22nd, 2005 at 5:38 pm
Checkme ¦check this¦and please recheck:
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in Casino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the Casino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same Casino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
Posted Jun 22, 5:41 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth

185.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The alibi story is the almost the latest.
The latest is that there’s a gap in the time-line for the boys.
It is true that one of them tried to off himself.  (from work I assume to be with this girl)
Posted Jun 22, 5:26 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post

186.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
This is not my theory. This is for real.
Posted Jun 22, 5:22 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth

[COLOMBO]

Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 2:58 pm
The music man’s song was not on the bill.

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:09 pm
Simian, who else plays in the orchestra? A Babylonian….   [not SGC]

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 4:42 pm
Arawaks hold singing card from babylon
There is also a trio. One Babylonian. 2 Shivas.
Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it dirty too.

Shango Says:June 26th, 2005 at 9:19 pm
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:53 pm
DirtyHand is the key
He walks with the elders
He walks in all houses
And he walked with the fallen elder
he was the hidden card that was played     [by PVDS]
now if he sings, babylon will fall on the arawak nation

[Lala'sMom]

CapsLock
Are you saying that Steve Croes is the 5th suspect?  Not that big a stretch really...been discussed often as being th 5th person.  What do you say Caps?  Is it Steve?  Did he insert himself in all this because he knew where all the dirty little secrets were buried? (no pun intended)

[Lala'sMom]

Mum, I know it always has been discussed as far as the casino goes, I personally always feel a crime always shoots back to the beginning, which is the casino...I'm from an area where people goto Aruba to "make easy money" in their card games. These aren't little games, and where there are gambling scenes like that, there are bigger and badder scum, as we know. Feel the answers lie in that casino, really not some reach, JMO.

I am not Mum, so excuse me for jumping  in here to say you are right.  The large amounts of money and the high rollers that are hooked on this stuff willing to pay whatever it takes to be the biggest and best certainly leads you right back to the casinos.  Shango has always maintained this theory.

[COLOMBO]

so.....Steve Croes committed a murder, then went to the authorities to insert himself into the case as an alibi?

[COLOMBO]

where did Simian say NH spent her nights on Aruba?
where was she seen on video with JVDS (and possibly PVDS)?
where did PVDS tell the NH family that  JVDS was when they arrived at his house?
where in actuality was JVDS when the NH family arrived at the VDS home?

[COLOMBO]

This was too funny!

"It is true that one of them tried to off himself. (from work I assume to be with this girl)"

[CapsLockWizard]

CapsLock
Are you saying that Steve Croes is the 5th suspect?  Not that big a stretch really...been discussed often as being th 5th person.  What do you say Caps?  Is it Steve?  Did he insert himself in all this because he knew where all the dirty little secrets were buried? (no pun intended)

Ok Summary:

They were 12 but 2 got arrested and 10 more to go form this party hosted by #5, At the party they where repeating what she did a week ago with this casino boy. (making a film). everyone in the casino has seen it. The taxi drivers role (2K) was to bring her to this party. This party was at the casablanca. at the party gate the taxi driver (2k) where no allowed in. there was a heated discussion and they left waiting outside. Joran was inside.

Yes it is him.

Read the clues.

The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers.

[Lala'sMom]

so.....Steve Croes committed a murder, then went to the authorities to insert himself into the case as an alibi?

No, I don't think so...I was wondering if you were paying attention. LOL

[Lala'sMom]

where did Simian say NH spent her nights on Aruba?
where was she seen on video with JVDS (and possibly PVDS)?
where did PVDS tell the NH family that  JVDS was when they arrived at his house?
where in actuality was JVDS when the NH family arrived at the VDS home?

The casino....I know this.  Tell me something I don't know.  Please! 

[COLOMBO]

where did Simian say NH spent her nights on Aruba?
where was she seen on video with JVDS (and possibly PVDS)?
where did PVDS tell the NH family that  JVDS was when they arrived at his house?
where in actuality was JVDS when the NH family arrived at the VDS home?

The casino....I know this.  Tell me something I don't know.  Please! 

one of them tried to off himself......from work

[Lala'sMom]

CapsLock
Are you saying that Steve Croes is the 5th suspect?  Not that big a stretch really...been discussed often as being th 5th person.  What do you say Caps?  Is it Steve?  Did he insert himself in all this because he knew where all the dirty little secrets were buried? (no pun intended)

Ok Summary:

They were 12 but 2 got arrested and 10 more to go form this party hosted by #5, At the party they where repeating what she did a week ago with this casino boy. (making a film). everyone in the casino has seen it. The taxi drivers role (2K) was to bring her to this party. This party was at the casablanca. at the party gate the taxi driver (2k) where no allowed in. there was a heated discussion and they left waiting outside. Joran was inside.

Yes it is him.

Read the clues.

The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers.

Not yet convinced....I need more clarification.  So you are saying that Steve Croes was the person that was hosting a party at the Casablanca that night?  You are also saying that Natale was making films a week ago with this same guy (Steve Croes).  I didn't know Steve Croes worked in the casino.  How did Natalee get the drugs that killed her?  Were they given to her at CnC or after she got in the car with Joran?

[COLOMBO]

did sim mention movies?

[Lala'sMom]

did sim mention movies?

No. Shango did.

[COLOMBO]

did sim mention movies?

No. Shango did.

CAPS:
"The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers."

[Lala'sMom]

did sim mention movies?

No. Shango did.

CAPS:
"The other riddle was rewritten and scambled and the authors given other names to confuse the readers."