SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[shadow]

The early posters, and I do mean within the first week, did not have the inside info that would have them assist in the cover up.  In fact, the ones I read had little to do with the investigation at all. The only person that could possibly be accused of assisting in the cover up would have been Native Lingo.  She was an insider.  The very earliest comments about parties and drugs involved Lorenzo.  That is what I am going by, not saying it's right, just saying that is what I have observed.  I know there are many that think I am way off base here and that Lorenzo had nothing to do with this at all.  I just think we should explore this as a possible scenario. 

Lorenzo was known to throw the parties at his houses. 
Lorenzo was the drug dealer of choice on the island.
Lorenzo could have some connection to the Sloots.
Lorenzo was kept out of the loop early on.  When his name began to come up in the beginning it was then quickly shushed into oblivion.
Lorenzo, until recently was the mystery man of the hour.

I can't connect the dots because I am too dumb in that regard.  I wish I could, but I can't. However, Tylergal has long contended that what happened to Natalee happened at the HI.  What she says makes sense too.  The alibi of bringing her back to the HI could have been concocted because they knew she could have been seen there. There is a history of some sort with that place.  She was targeted in their casino.  I could go on, but you get the message.  Both scenarios are highly possile.  Now, we have to find the one that is most probable. 

I agree with all you have said. I remember Tylergal discussing that. I have always wondered about it taking place in one of the hotels. Lorenzo was more than likely involved as far as providing drugs, and perhaps because he was aware of the other party, for lack of a better term and what was going on he was quickly pushed into the background because if pinched he may have a lot to tell. Hence he becomes our mystery man. However, the drugs are probably part of the same group and industry they have tried so hard to disappear. Making him too close to be questioned as a suspect. Just thinking out loud.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Tony's Post
From the initials used it is clear that the friends are Steve Croes, Kalpoe brothers, Freddy A. and Michael Dompig.

Anyone know who the BL Gang is referring to??
The protectors are obviously Karin Jansen, Gerold Dompig and Van Der Stratten. IMO!

So who would be the owners?

The spelling may be off, but is that the bubba lecher gang that was discussed way back? 

[Kermit]

It seems we are still arguing the 5th suspect.  Depends on whom you listen to as to the identity.  For any new posters reading, I will try to rehash this topic.  Anyone feel free to lead in a new direction.  I am  open to any ideas.

Paulus van der Sloot was the 5th suspect arrested.
1. Joran
2. deepak
3. satish
4. steve croes
5. paulus van der sloot

Lorenzo was brought in and questioned, max arrendz provided an alibi

I understand where you are coming from, but if you read the early June 2005 archives you will clearly see that everyone  posting from Aruba implicates Lorenzo as the 5th suspect.  It's still conjecture, since there is not a definitive statement that places Paulus as the 5th suspect. The earliest posters placed Lorenzo right in the middle of this entire scenario. It is mentioned several times by posters such as Native Lingo and Americaninaruba.  I have wavered on both as being the 5th.  From reading the early posts, it indicates that it is Lorenzo long before Simian ever posted about the 5th suspect.  To me being a suspect doesn't mean the same as being arrested.  A person that needs to provide an alibi would be a suspect as well.  I am still on the fence with this one.

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The party-goers said the 5th one was with them. He was the host. How could he have left? Did Paulus run home from the casino after 8 PM to have a party?
Posted Jun 22, 5:03 PM | Edit Comment | Delete Comment | Edit Post “Beth Twitty and the Van der Sloots' Meet” | View Post
191.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The 5th suspect was the boyfriend from earlier in the week. Would Natalee have been interested in Paulus? 
Posted Jun 22, 5:00 PM

But why would you believe posters who have proved themselves to be untrustworthy with any information?

If you only assume suspects & not arrested then we have:
1. Lorenzo was questioned (not a suspect) and was given an alibi by Max Arrendz
2. Koen and Sander questioned
3. Andre Menses questioned
etc etc.

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot  — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,160654,00.html

[Kermit]

The early posters, and I do mean within the first week, did not have the inside info that would have them assist in the cover up.  In fact, the ones I read had little to do with the investigation at all. The only person that could possibly be accused of assisting in the cover up would have been Native Lingo.  She was an insider.  The very earliest comments about parties and drugs involved Lorenzo.  That is what I am going by, not saying it's right, just saying that is what I have observed.  I know there are many that think I am way off base here and that Lorenzo had nothing to do with this at all.  I just think we should explore this as a possible scenario. 

Lorenzo was known to throw the parties at his houses. 
Lorenzo was the drug dealer of choice on the island.
Lorenzo could have some connection to the Sloots.
Lorenzo was kept out of the loop early on.  When his name began to come up in the beginning it was then quickly shushed into oblivion.
Lorenzo, until recently was the mystery man of the hour.

I can't connect the dots because I am too dumb in that regard.  I wish I could, but I can't. However, Tylergal has long contended that what happened to Natalee happened at the HI.  What she says makes sense too.  The alibi of bringing her back to the HI could have been concocted because they knew she could have been seen there. There is a history of some sort with that place.  She was targeted in their casino.  I could go on, but you get the message.  Both scenarios are highly possile.  Now, we have to find the one that is most probable. 

I believe the cover-up began the first night in the morning hours that Natalee disappeared.

Charles Croes got a phone call from a "major friend" and he meets Beth at the gas station and then disappears for 1 1/2 hours. The beach is 5 minutes from the gas station.
Paulus van der Sloot was online checking for an attorney and drug information
Joran, Deepak and most likely Freddy not Satish were at the Racquet Club eye witnessed by the gardner seen digging

the set up - cover-up began immediately.

What they had not planned on was Beth arriving so fast and doing her own investigating rather than relying on polis.

[sharon]

Tony's Post
From the initials used it is clear that the friends are Steve Croes, Kalpoe brothers, Freddy A. and Michael Dompig.

Anyone know who the BL Gang is referring to??
The protectors are obviously Karin Jansen, Gerold Dompig and Van Der Stratten. IMO!

So who would be the owners?

The spelling may be off, but is that the bubba lecher gang that was discussed way back? 

tony says:
April 18th, 2006 at 4:18 am
I have been here since the beginning.
Does anyone know about the “bibba lekker’ gang? I saw it refferes to in many pctures of satish and deepaks friend websites
Connection


tony Says:
April 18th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
Bibba lekker gang, what is it and who was/is in it?
How do the underlings like JVS getting VIP passes and being able to drink and gamble on the island even after being caught doing just that night after night? How are they able to lie so much? How are they able to advertise themselves as pimps? Check tickle from the past and you will see them getting away with boasts of Pimping girls. I will tell you how they do it, they are protected by the aruba mob, made up of many “reputable” people.
I worked for a cruise ship for many years and saw a lot of island corruption, this is a case of very high corruption and very deep connections. I could show you a few places on St.Thomas that very few people know about. Same with Nassau and San Juan and even Aruba. Do you need some E ?want to know where the party is? Do you know who else goes to thes places? The top of the food chain runs all these places on each island and there are connections to the police and Government as well.
Can I make a reservation for the Lions Den? I didnt think so, invitation only is the rule. I see a lot more trouble than what is evident and that is why it is taking so long to come out. I see some scapegoating soon and possibly a sacrifice.
God bless Natalee and her spirit.
I curse everyone involved in her demise.
BIBBA LEKKER GANG is involved.



my comment -- I forget who -- but someone (Kermit? Grande" Carpe?) posted some pictures from myspace or tickle that had this 'club' in their bio. klaas probably remembers -- I don't at the moment.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thank you, Sharon.  I just realized 'bibba' but still would have spelled 'lekker' incorrectly.  Hopefully, someone will have or remember the link or pictures you mentioned. 

[shadow]

Thanks Sharon for the BL Gang information. Reading it now I vaguely remember this.

[sharon]

lekker translates to 'nice' in dutch.

i have found many dutch links with 'lekker' in them -- but i don't think they have anything to do with the 'gang'.

i know it's been discussed here mucho. anyone look at sf's who's who yet?

[shadow]

lekker translates to 'nice' in dutch.

i have found many dutch links with 'lekker' in them -- but i don't think they have anything to do with the 'gang'.

i know it's been discussed here mucho. anyone look at sf's who's who yet?

I haven't looked at the who's who in a while. I found the search difficult as well.

[sharon]

I agree shadow

I only pop in and out when I'm working -- but everything is so slow for me on this site that I don't have time to do anything but watch the page load.

Search not helpful for me either.

I'm hoping it will pass. It started out okay -- but gets slower and more difficult each day. I clear cookies several times a day. Nothing helps. Only this site.

[Stom]

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot  — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,160654,00.html

Who the 5th suspect is, depends on the date, the events and the narrator.  From the Simian’s perspective, the 5th suspect is Lorenzo van Rijn.  “The Simian only reports developments ahead of time” and he was reporting in advance an assumption of implication and guilt when stating that the guy that hosted a party for all his friends was the boy friend from earlier in the week. Paulus arrived from The Netherlands Sunday afternoon.  He wasn’t around to be the alleged boyfriend #1.

By ALE’s record and the press, the 5th man is Paulus, because he was the 5th person detained under suspicion, after the initial two -the guards- were let go.

[truthseeker2]

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot  — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,160654,00.html

Who the 5th suspect is, depends on the date, the events and the narrator.  From the Simian’s perspective, the 5th suspect is Lorenzo van Rijn.  “The Simian only reports developments ahead of time” and he was reporting in advance an assumption of implication and guilt when stating that the guy that hosted a party for all his friends was the boy friend from earlier in the week. Paulus arrived from The Netherlands Sunday afternoon.  He wasn’t around to be the alleged boyfriend #1.

By ALE’s record and the press, the 5th man is Paulus, because he was the 5th person detained under suspicion, after the initial two -the guards- were let go.

You and I are thinking alike on this one.  I always worked on the assumption that Simian was referring to Lorenzo as the 5th suspect.  If Simian was telling us what the ALE was thinking, then you would have to believe ALE was of the belief that Lorenzo was involved.  Yet, they were not very aggessive in their pursuit of him.  The assumption that he was at home all night was due to a friend providing that alibi.  Even if he was at home that does not mean that Natalee was not brought to his home.

[Buckeye]

I remember Tony's posts.  My brother has a close friend in the Netherlands (who thinks I'm nuts) that researched Bibba Lekker gang there and on Aruba.  If it was a gang, it was not big.  He found nothing.  At the time, I think we were trying to organize all the "pimping" hand signals.  I do believe there was a "backseat banger"/pimp component, but not as an organized gang.

[Lala'sMom]

It does not say the 5th person arrested.  It says the 5th suspect.  That is my reasoning.   Which is obviously flawed.

[Kermit]

It does not say the 5th person arrested.  It says the 5th suspect.  That is my reasoning.   Which is obviously flawed.

Not flawed - we are all  just thinking outloud


If we consider suspects then we have to consider those that are suspects:

Is Lorenzo a suspect? I know he was brought in for questioning, but never heard him as a suspect.

[Kermit]

The fifth man, Paul van der Sloot  — the father of 17-year-old Joran — was being held on suspicion of complicity to pre-meditated murder, complicity to kidnapping and murder and kidnapping.
http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,160654,00.html

Who the 5th suspect is, depends on the date, the events and the narrator.  From the Simian’s perspective, the 5th suspect is Lorenzo van Rijn.  “The Simian only reports developments ahead of time” and he was reporting in advance an assumption of implication and guilt when stating that the guy that hosted a party for all his friends was the boy friend from earlier in the week. Paulus arrived from The Netherlands Sunday afternoon.  He wasn’t around to be the alleged boyfriend #1.

By ALE’s record and the press, the 5th man is Paulus, because he was the 5th person detained under suspicion, after the initial two -the guards- were let go.

What is interesting is this reference to a boyfriend.
The ONLY person I recall trying to pass off that lie about Natalee having met some guy who was her boyfriend is scubajap.

Perhaps this is part of the cover-up that Shango/Simian were involved in too - which is my suspicions from the beginning to do what the other American traitors have done and that is - derail and mislead the public from the truth.
We all are well aware of their lies and deceptions on the many blogs/websites. What makes us think that this insider Shango/Simian etc was not part of the whole deception?

[2NJSons_Mom]

I was still stuck on the bibba lekker gang and found another spelling possibility in urban dictionary...biba & lekker separately.  With that I did a search and found two comments in a Diario online guestbook both using biba lekker and the 2nd saying biba lekker gang.  Of course they are in papiamento, so the translations are over my head.

http://www.diarioaruba.com/guestbook/guests2000.html

nohay
diariokeepitup@hotmail.com
23 Aug 2000
08:37:27


awel ata nos ki, ami (kabubi ku mi brother ,sorry collega ,franchesco. Biba lekker kinan tras di inernet tur dia na trabao.BIBA LEKKER. Ta asina cos mester bai ku tur nos juinan di nos dushi isla AUA,paso intussentijd nos ta sinja masha hopi mes di nos trabao. Anto pa diari keep it up.Un fayo si ta ku bo ta un dia atras.Na Aruba bo no ta kumpra un corrant bieuw tampoco. bon peace out. Aki for di Masterdam!


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Masterdam
Masterdam@hotmail.com
23 Aug 2000
08:30:19


Bms Mi no por kere cu aruba ta bayendo asina ki. yen di hodement5o ta kiko laga e cosnan pa nos aki na aHulaqnda studiante ki conjo esey tur hende ta kere drogando mastanto bms biba lekker gang Masterdam



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[Nut44x4]

Rough translation and I MEAN ROUGH!! LOL!!

awel behold we what, i (kabubi with my brother come across,sorry collega come across,franchesco. live lekker kinan behind inernet all day at trabao.biba lekker. is so cos have to go with all we juinan of we sweet island aua,paso intussentijd we is learn very much self of we trabao. then for diari keep it up.un damage if is to you is one day behind.na aruba do you do not buy one corrant bieuw niether. good peace out.

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 here for of masterdam! bms my not can believe cu aruba is bayendo so what. complete of hodement5o is what let the cosnan for we here at ahulaqnda student what conjo esey everybody is believe drogando mastanto bms live lekker gang masterdam come across

[Lala'sMom]

It does not say the 5th person arrested.  It says the 5th suspect.  That is my reasoning.   Which is obviously flawed.

Not flawed - we are all  just thinking outloud


If we consider suspects then we have to consider those that are suspects:

Is Lorenzo a suspect? I know he was brought in for questioning, but never heard him as a suspect.

Why would a witness need to provide an alibi?  Only a suspect would need to do that.

[SuzieQ]

Lala

Who was with Joran at the Greta interview( or one of the interviews, I forget) Was it Mighty T or his brother? I found a connection between Mighty T and Freddy's lawyer.

http://www.island-temptations.com/old/spring04/story5/

Diana Emerencia (Lady Eyes) was Freddy's lawyer.

Claudius Phillips (Mighty T.) could put words together like Shango.

Sorry I don't know how to put the link in, so you can just click on it.