SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Nut44x4]

As per request by Sharon re: Miguel Willie Ramos

http://www.hmsf.org/exhibitions-past-crossroads.htm
Past Exhibitions   
At the Crossroads: Afro-Cuban Orisha Arts in MiamiFebruary 23, 2001 to July 8, 2001

At The Crossroads, the first large scale exhibition of its kind, explores the unique art forms and creative processes of the Orisha religion.

This exhibition highlights the work of more than 20 of Miami’s leading Orisha artists and includes altars, ceremonial garments, beadwork, metalwork, woodcarving, herbalism, music, dance and storytelling.

The goal of the exhibition is to provide a forum for the Orisha community of over 100,000 practitioners in Miami to present and interpret its arts to the general public.

There are three guest curators for the exhibition. Ezequiel Torres is a priest of Obatalá and a master craftsman of Afro-Cuban musical instruments including drums. Nelson Mendoza is an active researcher and collector of Orisha artworks. Miguel “Willie” Ramos is well respected nationwide as a priest of Shangó and an Orisha scholar.

According to Ramos, the name “At the Crossroads” is appropriate to the exhibition because “ Miami is the point of encounter between the exiled Cuban community and other immigrant groups in the United States.”

Because Miami is also the center of Orisha worship in the United States, it is integral in spreading the word about the religion. The name “At the Crossroads” also signals the importance of Elegba, the orisha of the crossroads and divine messenger of the gods.

I have posted the following links before, but reviewing them from time to time for Shango' followers is sometimes interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shango#Worship_of_Shango

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yor%C3%B9b%C3%A1_mythology

Elders and Members of Ile Osikan
http://members.tripod.com/omo_ileosikan/id11.html
Oba and Babalosha Ilari Oba (Miguel "Willie" Ramos) Oni Shango is mentioned in the above link, as well.

7) Olokun, Ruler of oceans: The fountain of life, also associated with mysterious depths of consciousness. Here I shall make a link with the figure of Neptune from the Celtic pantheon above, again this maybe stretching the symbolism somewhat but there does seem to be some level of correlation. In that case Olokun could be seen as indirectly representing the Queen in our archetypal mandala. Interestingly Shango is almost drowned in the ocean according to one story from the Yoruban tradition, calling to mind the close relationship between the King and Queen in the Universal Mandala. http://www.8foldman.com/part1c.html
AND YES LALA's.....the buoy toll part is obviously transport to the ocean.

more>>>
http://tinyurl.com/2vnvhz (google search list)


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 I was wondering when I found this stuff if Willie' may be Shango, although a true longshot...could be anyone on Earth really.

There is more and I will find it as soon as I hang out clothes and a couple other things. Be back in a bit w/ more.

[Nut44x4]

Well....I guess I lied, lol. It must be catching. Guess I have Lieruba syndrome because I can't find 'more'. I think there was more.....but oh well. Anywho...here is the thread in the old LCD where I found my post.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1881.580

it is about 1/2 way down

If I find the other stuff I will post it later.

[Nut44x4]

Oh....looky here. Not Willie Ramos related, but Shango word related yes.

answers mysterious lie within magical letters which spell sin XTC DNA

All know of the music beckoning lost souls to enter the seven levels of inferno who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?

7th Level XTC Info:
http://www.nextron.ch/rave/xtcinfo.html

Remember Dave said in his book that the number 7 was significant....pg 213 3/4 of the way down...it is Dave's comment to shango. SM link=
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1876.msg248761#msg248761
see post 406 and 407

[Nut44x4]

copywrite © 2001-2007, Miguel Ramos   
http://ilarioba.tripod.com/media/thamesboy.htm link to Eleda.org at the bottom of article
Another news article on the above>>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4426127,00.html


A dutch connection to Shango'  (in English)
http://www.bezinningscentrum.nl/teksten/wim_eng/oracle.htm
many other links at bottom

What is Shango?
http://www.magicalmiracles.com/shango.htm

Words on Bacchus
http://encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/25_the_literature.htm

Shango
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/mythology/shango_storm.html&edu=high

Shango.....Also known as CHANGO, XANGO
http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=SHANGO


http://alocubano.com/shango.htm



You all may have many of these links. I found my folder and I am just posting some of what I have either found or saved from others. I have no way to tell you where exactly I came to acquire all of the above links. In other words... "I do not recall" (as in the words of PVDS, lol)

[sharon]

Thanks Nut.

Stom had a great idea a few posts back -- to try to revisit Shango is a new and different light -- a 'revision of beliefs'.

That is long overdue, imo.

The info you found and posted certainly afforded me the fodder to revise my beliefs

So thanks again.

[Ree]

copywrite © 2001-2007, Miguel Ramos   
http://ilarioba.tripod.com/media/thamesboy.htm link to Eleda.org at the bottom of article
Another news article on the above>>
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4426127,00.html


A dutch connection to Shango'  (in English)
http://www.bezinningscentrum.nl/teksten/wim_eng/oracle.htm
many other links at bottom

What is Shango?
http://www.magicalmiracles.com/shango.htm

Words on Bacchus
http://encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/25_the_literature.htm

Shango
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/mythology/shango_storm.html&edu=high

Shango.....Also known as CHANGO, XANGO
http://www.godchecker.com/pantheon/african-mythology.php?deity=SHANGO


http://alocubano.com/shango.htm



You all may have many of these links. I found my folder and I am just posting some of what I have either found or saved from others. I have no way to tell you where exactly I came to acquire all of the above links. In other words... "I do not recall" (as in the words of PVDS, lol)

Did you see the Curacao connection is that dutch article on Shango?

[COLOMBO]

Not Shango/Simian but an interresting post from back in April 2006 on the front page of SM (the forum was down at the time):

7th level=7th floor?
Bob Smith, Mgr=delegate?
Inferno=Babylon (Shango was bound to the truth as it (the tower) burned-"Babylon is falling"

[Lala'sMom]

Stom,

They actually posted up through July 30th, 2005.  This is the last post I have for Shango:

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:50 am
Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen
All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son
I must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
Good Night

This is the last as Simian:

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The music man will lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee. Do not accuse the man of being special.
Posted Jun 30, 4:24 PM

Does anyone know if the above Shango post is from the Florida IP addy? 

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Nut.

Stom had a great idea a few posts back -- to try to revisit Shango is a new and different light -- a 'revision of beliefs'.

That is long overdue, imo.

The info you found and posted certainly afforded me the fodder to revise my beliefs

So thanks again.

So what's the hold up?  I am waiting for the "new and different light" stuff.  I want to see it too.  Why don't you start Sharon, I bet you have some really good theories.  Come on guys, let's get it on. 

[Lala'sMom]

Oh....looky here. Not Willie Ramos related, but Shango word related yes.

answers mysterious lie within magical letters which spell sin XTC DNA

All know of the music beckoning lost souls to enter the seven levels of inferno who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?

7th Level XTC Info:
http://www.nextron.ch/rave/xtcinfo.html

Remember Dave said in his book that the number 7 was significant....pg 213 3/4 of the way down...it is Dave's comment to shango. SM link=
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1876.msg248761#msg248761
see post 406 and 407

Would it be alright if you posted the excerpts that refer to the number 7?  There may be some that do not have access to Dave's book.  I don't think it would be a problem as long as you credit its source. TIA

[dennisintn]

any word yet from paul reynolds, or any information about what he needs?
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Stom,

They actually posted up through July 30th, 2005.  This is the last post I have for Shango:

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:50 am
Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen
All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son
I must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
Good Night

This is the last as Simian:

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The music man will lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee. Do not accuse the man of being special.
Posted Jun 30, 4:24 PM

Does anyone know if the above Shango post is from the Florida IP addy? 

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Robalo33

Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

Jun 28, 2:22 AM

Robalo33

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

Jun 28, 2:21 AM

Robalo33

what has simeon said that came out true?

Jun 28, 2:16 AM

Robalo33

also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

Jun 28, 2:15 AM

Robalo33

someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.

Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

Jun 28, 2:13 AM

Robalo33

The simian is wrong

The simian said the Hague was coming

The simian is an austrolopithecus

Jun 28, 2:10 AM

Robalo33

I have been watching this post for a few days now. This Shango does not seem to waver in his basic themes, but it seems like he is detatched.

I think he is a remote viewer. Not connected, but with a special eye.

Psychics do exist you know

A lot of what has been said makes a lot of sense. And if if this people are speaking in riddles, they are still providinf info to the masses.

just a thought

Jun 28, 1:58 AM

[sharon]

Thanks klaas! Great find!

So....maybe a 'shared' computer -- like in a college computer lab or the AHATA office??

And Robalo speaks French and Spanish.

btw -- robalo is spanish for a type of fish.

[sharon]

Robalo is also a type of boat.

[truthseeker2]

Stom,

They actually posted up through July 30th, 2005.  This is the last post I have for Shango:

Shango on June 30th, 2005 2:50 am
Always remember that what is unseen is greater than what is seen
All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son
I must leave to feed the messengers
The gods are talking
Good Night

This is the last as Simian:

Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The music man will lose to a lettuce at a spelling bee. Do not accuse the man of being special.
Posted Jun 30, 4:24 PM

Does anyone know if the above Shango post is from the Florida IP addy? 

Coming from the same IP, from Florida but a different email addy.  Interresting too something I just noticed.  Another nickname using that same IP.  Robalo33, posting along side of Shango and the Simian doppledangler on June 28th starting at 1:28am through 2:22am.

Robalo33

Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

Jun 28, 2:22 AM

Robalo33

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

Jun 28, 2:21 AM

Robalo33

what has simeon said that came out true?

Jun 28, 2:16 AM

Robalo33

also that simeon never typed anything when he was upset. i believe that is a simeon poser

Jun 28, 2:15 AM

Robalo33

someone wrote earlier the simeon was an austrolopithecus, which is an early man, not a monkey.

But simian. more of the stuff this shango says seems more real than your predictions.

Your predictions about the hague two days ago were wrong.
u were also wrong about the searchers finding natalee

Jun 28, 2:13 AM

Robalo33

The simian is wrong

The simian said the Hague was coming

The simian is an austrolopithecus

Jun 28, 2:10 AM

Robalo33

I have been watching this post for a few days now. This Shango does not seem to waver in his basic themes, but it seems like he is detatched.

I think he is a remote viewer. Not connected, but with a special eye.

Psychics do exist you know

A lot of what has been said makes a lot of sense. And if if this people are speaking in riddles, they are still providinf info to the masses.

just a thought

Jun 28, 1:58 AM

Klaas,

Do you know if there were ever any other posts by Robalo33?  Any where he "tries to solve the riddle"?  I think Robalo33 and Shango may have been the same person.

Here's why:

At 11:48 pm on June 27 Shango uses the term austrolopithecus.  At 02:10 am on June 28 Robalo33 uses that very same term, yet does not attribute it to Shango.  He immediately posts again at 02:13 am to attribute the use of this term to (someone posting earlier)Shango.  This is not a well used term.  Is it likely that Robalo33 would have used that term so readily in a post that quickly?  I think these posts came from the same person posting as Shango.  In the second post Robalo33 also changes the spelling of Simian to Simeon.  I don't think that was accidental.


Also, I have used a translator and here is what I got from the two posts that were not in English:

J’aime mieux passer les temps avec un femme comme vous Simian

I like to better spend times with a woman like you Simian  from French to English



Simian tu no hablo nada de veridad todavia, ‘ta siempre la misma vaina con usted cabron?

Simian your I do not speak to anything of veridad todavia
ta always the same case with you cabron? from Spanish to English

Simian you No hablo nada of veridad to davia, ` your siempre the misma vaina idiot usted buff-stick? from French to English

Robalo33 seems to enjoy insulting Simian much the way Shango does.

[klaasend]

TS - no other posts, just the ones above.  I agree Shango and Robalo33 are the same person. 

[Lala'sMom]

Thank you Klaas.  I knew you'd understand what I was asking.   

Now, let's think about this...same IP, different email addy. hmmmmm.  Suspected Simian was a doppelganger because of the way they phrased the sentence.  I know some don't think this to be true, but Shango knew Simian.  Simian knew Shango.  With computers and the internet, you are no longer required to be where you say you are.   Some thoughts to ponder:

Who were the messengers?
What was the code AllyinMiami used with Simian?
Did she also have a way of knowing about Shango?
Did the fake Simian ever say anything of value? 
Why did it matter to Shango if there was more than one Simian? 
Which posters from Aruba did Shango post with more often? 
Does Simian ever post angry?  (It's there, look for it.)
Why does Shango feel the need to post under a different nickname?
Does Simian ever get the chance to turn the tables on Shango?
Why is Simian so surprised that someone is impersonating him?

and last but not least....

Did Shango ever have a doppelganger that posted as Shango??

[klaasend]

Thank you Klaas.  I knew you'd understand what I was asking.   

Now, let's think about this...same IP, different email addy. hmmmmm.  Suspected Simian was a doppelganger because of the way they phrased the sentence.  I know some don't think this to be true, but Shango knew Simian.  Simian knew Shango.  With computers and the internet, you are no longer required to be where you say you are.   Some thoughts to ponder:

Who were the messengers?
What was the code AllyinMiami used with Simian?
Did she also have a way of knowing about Shango?
Did the fake Simian ever say anything of value? 
Why did it matter to Shango if there was more than one Simian? 
Which posters from Aruba did Shango post with more often? 
Does Simian ever post angry?  (It's there, look for it.)
Why does Shango feel the need to post under a different nickname?
Does Simian ever get the chance to turn the tables on Shango?
Why is Simian so surprised that someone is impersonating him?

and last but not least....

Did Shango ever have a doppelganger that posted as Shango??

One thing to take note of, the posting on the front page of SM does not require you to put in a working email address, so you can make one up.  Just saying that a different email address doesn't really mean much.  Same IP, unless it's AOL does.

There were definately some Shango posers on other sites and I'll check later today if there were some at SM.  The IP (Florida) of Shango has 3 or 4 email addys and two nicknames attached to it on the front page of SM:  SHANGO & ROBALO33

[Ree]

Thank you Klaas.  I knew you'd understand what I was asking.   

Now, let's think about this...same IP, different email addy. hmmmmm.  Suspected Simian was a doppelganger because of the way they phrased the sentence.  I know some don't think this to be true, but Shango knew Simian.  Simian knew Shango.  With computers and the internet, you are no longer required to be where you say you are.   Some thoughts to ponder:

Who were the messengers?
What was the code AllyinMiami used with Simian?
Did she also have a way of knowing about Shango?
Did the fake Simian ever say anything of value? 
Why did it matter to Shango if there was more than one Simian? 
Which posters from Aruba did Shango post with more often? 
Does Simian ever post angry?  (It's there, look for it.)
Why does Shango feel the need to post under a different nickname?
Does Simian ever get the chance to turn the tables on Shango?
Why is Simian so surprised that someone is impersonating him?

and last but not least....

Did Shango ever have a doppelganger that posted as Shango??

One thing to take note of, the posting on the front page of SM does not require you to put in a working email address, so you can make one up.  Just saying that a different email address doesn't really mean much.  Same IP, unless it's AOL does.

There were definately some Shango posers on other sites and I'll check later today if there were some at SM.  The IP (Florida) of Shango has 3 or 4 email addys and two nicknames attached to it on the front page of SM:  SHANGO & ROBALO33

Klass, if the poster were posting from a site using a proxy server, would the same IP appear?  If Robalo is a boat is there a way to check boat registrations?

[Lala'sMom]

One more question, please.  IP addy for the Espionage posts, please.  Also, were there any Merian doppelgangers?  When are we going to get the July archives or are they there and I can't find them? TIA