SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[Lala'sMom]

Note: Shango says three things frequently enough that I think it more efficient to provide one translation here to use afterward:

I must (go) feed the messengers
Either Shango has sources of his own he has to confer with (my guess), or he is leaking information to the media or elsewhere as well.  Conferring is not the same as giving out info....I take this to mean he is feeding his information to someone....possibly a hint that the person posting the Shango riddles is not actually Shango, but his messenger...I know, that is a stretch...sort of...but you have to think abstractly with Shango...not linear...he rarely ever tells it like it is...just hints. Hmmmm, kind of like  Colombo.

The gods are talking
Refers to ongoing communiqués between the Aruban government, the Netehrlands, the U.S., etc.  I don't think there is any relationship to the U.S. here.  The Dutch refused to cooperate, I think this is a direct reference to the PTB that needed to resolve this, but couldn't due to the bumbling of 4 people.

Light the fires!
The day of charges/trial/conviction are approaching. I agree somewhat for the time being.  If the PTB want this thing to go away, indeed they would want to have someone be found guilty...as we now know...this did not happen. I think Shango fully expected something to happen...it just did not turn out as he predicted.




Okay, I need someone to offer debate here...someday...soon...maybe. 

[COLOMBO]

All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son

when Olorum speaks (to an EARTHBOUND son), lesser gods listen (record)
messengers (of god): ......tapes (& interpretations) are fed
Shango has looked from afar with great acuity (keenness of hearing, sight, INTELLECT)

And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden whispers, plans for the future.

If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!
Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.

[Lala'sMom]

Colombo are you still around?  I have a question.

[Lala'sMom]

All has been seen from afar
and whispered by olorum to an earthbound son

when Olorum speaks (to an EARTHBOUND son), lesser gods listen (record)
messengers (of god): ......tapes (& interpretations) are fed
Shango has looked from afar with great acuity (keenness of hearing, sight, INTELLECT)

And who has the Elder SlanderFoot contacted in Babylon?
Hidden whispers, plans for the future.

If a bird whispers an evil secret, the listener is not the sinner!
Not all messages come from a terrestrial origin.

Okay...I will take a stab at this one....Information has been heard or captured and recorded by an agency of some type...I could speculate, but I won't.   What happened, or some of it, is already known by those that need to know. Some of this info will be revealed at a later time. The person listening and relaying the message is not the person that told the secrets. All was overheard in some way or recorded as in a satellite transmission or secret covert operation....so how did I do? 

Actually, this goes along with a new theory of mine as to Shango's identity. Thanks, Colombo, for once I enjoyed this one. 

[Kermit]

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Kermit...so now.  Does that make Paulus the 5th suspect?  We may need to admit that it could be a possibility...otherwise, we better figure out who the 5th person really is...Lorenzo?   I know, I know.  Guido?  GVC?  I'm just saying...

[Vicki]

I thk the 5th suspect is papasloot...and IMO I feel Dirty hand is none other than out Frosted Flake eating detective Dennis Jacobs....doesnt participate but knows all.....

[Buckeye]

Thanks Kermit...so now.  Does that make Paulus the 5th suspect?  We may need to admit that it could be a possibility...otherwise, we better figure out who the 5th person really is...Lorenzo?   I know, I know.  Guido?  GVC?  I'm just saying...

crimesolver
06-17-2005, 06:15 PM
There is a possible fifth suspect to be arrested. He is also around the same age as the fourth suspect who was just arrested. The fifth suspect has a parent who committed suicide, and the possible suspect is said to have had some emotional issues since that time. The fourth suspect who was arrested today, is 26 and is divorced with a two year old child. His father is also a high ranking official in Aruban government


http://www.rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-8.html

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks Kermit...so now.  Does that make Paulus the 5th suspect?  We may need to admit that it could be a possibility...otherwise, we better figure out who the 5th person really is...Lorenzo?   I know, I know.  Guido?  GVC?  I'm just saying...

crimesolver
06-17-2005, 06:15 PM
There is a possible fifth suspect to be arrested. He is also around the same age as the fourth suspect who was just arrested. The fifth suspect has a parent who committed suicide, and the possible suspect is said to have had some emotional issues since that time. The fourth suspect who was arrested today, is 26 and is divorced with a two year old child. His father is also a high ranking official in Aruban government


http://www.rjames.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-8.html

This info doesn't fit any one person... it is a combination of two suspects..well sort of...Lorenzo (which a lot think isn't really a suspect at all) didn't have any kids as far as I know...and he isn't divorced...that would be Steve Croes.   Lorenzo was reported to have emotional issues and his father did commit suicide...but his father isn't a high ranking Aruban official...Steve Croes didn't have a father that committed suicide and I don't think he also has a father that is a high ranking official..unless Paulus is father to both of these guys...so I don't think this report is valid.  But then again what do I know?  I still can't decide on Shango's identity...well not publicly at least.   

[memphis]

Lala's, IMO you nailed [the] Shangos' identity last night. Everything seems to fit nicely in place. Nice job!

Now, I'm not following on Simian. Help me out? 

As I said, I do love to hear your interpretations.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's, IMO you nailed [the] Shangos' identity last night. Everything seems to fit nicely in place. Nice job!

Now, I'm not following on Simian. Help me out? 

As I said, I do love to hear your interpretations.

Simian was most likely ALE or a person in or associated with the police.  Seems he/she knew about things that existed in the PV's.  I think Klaas and Grande ( if I have this wrong, I apologize) determined with some certainty that Simian was Clyde Burke.  I think Simian could have been any one of those in ALE that were taking statements at the time.  What I really want to know is who is the 5th suspect.  I had this revelation last night about that.  If anyone wants to hear?  It puts Paulus right in the mix as the 5th suspect, but I am still thinking about it all right now.

[pdh3]

I'd love to hear your thoughts Lala's.
I don't post in this area much, but I do read here, and I think you have some really sound theories.

[Lala'sMom]

Merkus
I have seen you ask about Shango and Simian the last few days...Let me see if I can help a little.  First of all, I am no expert at all in this stuff...there have been others that were much more adept at deciphering than I have been.

Now, to Simian.  Simian was a Front Page poster that began posting early in June. This poster left messages that seemed to contain some information that could have been connected with this case at the time...the search for his/her identity has been ongoing ever since some of the things they said coincided with evidence presented in some of the witnesses/suspects statements.  This is an entire thread with the Simian stuff in it...If I can figure out how to link it here I will do so.

Shango showed up on the scene a few days later, possibly to counteract Simian.  Shango spoke in riddles that used imagery from Marvel comics as well as some Santeria imagery as well.  Most of Shango is very cryptic but you should read it and see for yourself.  The search for Shango has been even more intense.  Monkeys have tried to trace IP addys and everything.  Other websites have been searched trying to locate this person.  I have even tried calling him out. 

There are many, many theories on the indentity of Shango.  Not everyone thinks Shango knew anything.  I think he/she only knew of the corruption and underworld dealings of Aruba.  Shango wants to distance Joran from the crimes against Natalee, it is about the only thing you can determine with any certainty in all of this.  Doesn't mean it is not significant, it's just the way it is.   

I am a little pressed for time right now, but I will let you read their stuff and then if you wish we can tango (that's Shango speak for discussing the riddles).

Simian link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1194.0

Shango link
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=281.0


There is another poster Merian Ernest. Check it out also.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=223.0


If I don't have this right maybe Klaas will help me out. 

[sirensong]

I have always thought "Mary that wasn't a virgin"  was Stef Loco, not Natalee.

Just a thought I needed to put out there. 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's...I want to hear!!!! Even though I so want the 5th suspect to be Freddy!!!!

Any thoughts on how Smid/Wit would fit in with dirtyhand/Dirty Hand?

Lala's...I'm not very good at this,but alway enjoyed reading it all. Miss Eleye and Columbo, they had me running all over the web back then!

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...I want to hear!!!! Even though I so want the 5th suspect to be Freddy!!!!

Any thoughts on how Smid/Wit would fit in with dirtyhand/Dirty Hand?

Lala's...I'm not very good at this,but alway enjoyed reading it all. Miss Eleye and Columbo, they had me running all over the web back then!

Patience please.  I am working on your Freddy theory.  I will try to do more later. I will tell you this...Freddy fits some of the criteria and maybe even all...I just need to connect the dots.

Do you know of any contact that Freddy had with Natalee prior to the night of May 29?  That is one of the sticking points...I have yet to find anyone that claims he met Natalee "earlier" in the week. TIA

[MumInOhio]

Wasn't Freddy a Bartender?

[Lala'sMom]

Wasn't Freddy a Bartender?

It would be interesting to know if Natalee frequented the bar he was working.  I thought it was that Choose a Name bar or something like that.  Would need to know his shift hours and such.  We need to determine if he could have been in contact with Natalee at any time.  Thing is to make him viable, he would have had to spend some time with her not just 5 minutes pouring her a drink.

Also, we need to determine if he was attending a party or was he giving the party.  The distinction is important.

[Nut44x4]

Judges HAND down rulings. All throughout this case, in the opinion of most, the rulings HANDED down are wrong and go against what needs to be done!
DIRTY HAND !! JUDGE SMID is Dirty Hand ...or his buddy Wit. 


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I posted something to this effect on  Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007 post#55

[Pita]

Wasn't Freddy a Bartender?

It would be interesting to know if Natalee frequented the bar he was working.  I thought it was that Choose a Name bar or something like that.  Would need to know his shift hours and such.  We need to determine if he could have been in contact with Natalee at any time.  Thing is to make him viable, he would have had to spend some time with her not just 5 minutes pouring her a drink.

Also, we need to determine if he was attending a party or was he giving the party.  The distinction is important.

Freddy was/is a bartender in Champions Sports Bar at the Marriott Resort.