SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[bc73]

Check out Max Arends Myspace account and you'll see drug references, and similiar hand signals throughout his photo albums. His "expertise" is computer tech work, with his website attached. Mum, couldn't log on, so I wasn't able to post. Prob info you already have....

[MumInOhio]

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 11:29 pm
Some windows overlooking Babylon have been opened

http://news.visitaruba.com/news/manageArticle.do?dispatch=view&id=1357

Thank you COLUMBO...that would be the Wyndham.

[MumInOhio]

Check out Max Arends Myspace account and you'll see drug references, and similiar hand signals throughout his photo albums. His "expertise" is computer tech work, with his website attached. Mum, couldn't log on, so I wasn't able to post. Prob info you already have....

Hi bc73 and Welcome...I can't find Max' myspace acct, do you have the link?  TIA

[Observer]

Check out Max Arends Myspace account and you'll see drug references, and similiar hand signals throughout his photo albums. His "expertise" is computer tech work, with his website attached. Mum, couldn't log on, so I wasn't able to post. Prob info you already have....

Hi bc73 and Welcome...I can't find Max' myspace acct, do you have the link?  TIA

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=244626398

[MumInOhio]

Check out Max Arends Myspace account and you'll see drug references, and similiar hand signals throughout his photo albums. His "expertise" is computer tech work, with his website attached. Mum, couldn't log on, so I wasn't able to post. Prob info you already have....

Hi bc73 and Welcome...I can't find Max' myspace acct, do you have the link?  TIA

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=244626398

Thanks *******.....I know he left and went Florida and reportedly is back in Aruba now. Scubajap says his Dad, Bibi, was shocked when his name was on the news. I guess Scuba talked to him in Florida on the phone. Also said all the ISA students were questioned.

All this intertwining of names bothers me!

[bc73]

Good to finally be in here Mum. Read these posts everyday since the beginning, time to get on board(finally). Interesting little comments by young women on that site, huh?

[MumInOhio]

Good to finally be in here Mum. Read these posts everyday since the beginning, time to get on board(finally). Interesting little comments by young women on that site, huh?

He said that he was 23 so I really had to look hard! I have to keep reminding myself how long ago this all happened and do the math on ages. What are your thoughts on him, bc73? Do you think he was only questioned because he went to ISA? I only started looking at him when I saw confusion between Arends and Arendz while I was looking for info on Lorenzo! (Lala's possible 5th suspect).  And now I'm more confused.

[bc73]

Ahhhhh, my thoughts on him.....First off, every potential "suspect" or "witness", seems to have confusion associated with them(Lorenzo, for example). I feel as though in the very beginning of this cover up, this name kept popping, and all of a sudden, poof, gone!! Moves elsewhere, but once the heat is off, he moves back to hell. As all the posters here know, there is a trail of many who know the real happenings that night. Just a feeling on this clown....First days of investigations and name associations usually pan out, and I think he may be very familiar with the happenings. He was next person mentioned after the three "real suspects". JMO

[COLOMBO]

I don't believe that a suspect is being kept hidden........

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 3:10 pm
Simian, older PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve. They have been played, and lost. Will one of the cards sing?

And the Arawaks keep their singing card hidden as well
The fallen judge and the singing card are of the same hand, but it is dangerous for the Arawaks to play it, because everyone would hear, including the cowboys

The Arawaks may not need to play the singing card
The cowboys won’t hear the music and the teepees [marriages] will be safe

The Arawaks cannot reveal their singing card
many teepees would be destroyed and the cowboys would get upset
the singing card is bad luck for wampum for many moons

Arawaks can’t let babylonian Card sing because hand holding it [polis] dirty too.
Dirty hand stays hidden, but all are well-fed.

Arawaks worried about being caught with dirty hand

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Babylon needs to allow one sacrifice to keep DirtyHand hidden

The Arawaks want the truth to come out
As long as DirtyHand is not found


Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?
DirtyHand knows, this is his Power

DirtyHand can break the Alibi

[Lala'sMom]

Bringing this over from Kermit about Dirty Hand...thanks Kermit.

   
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #710 1/03 - 1/09/2007
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#  Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:26 pm

Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his
12:30 AM posting

Simian your Doppleganger is with us


#  Babalú Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 12:30 am

Concerned

No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.

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TITO: Chief of police is Ronny Bernadina
      Deputy chief of police is Gerold Dompig
      Police Comissioner of district 2, Noord is Jan van der Straaten
_____________________________

[Lala'sMom]

As I have often said...posters speculated that Dirty Hand was van der Straaten, but Shango never acknowledged that as a fact. Thanks Kermit, I have looked for that information for months now...I should have known that you would know. Smart Frog.

[Lala'sMom]

Check out Max Arends Myspace account and you'll see drug references, and similiar hand signals throughout his photo albums. His "expertise" is computer tech work, with his website attached. Mum, couldn't log on, so I wasn't able to post. Prob info you already have....

Welcome to the Shango thread.  Please, jump right in and begin your quest to find the answers to one of the most famous riddles on the internet.   

[Lala'sMom]

I should clarify my last post...Shango never says that Dirty Hand is the Chief of Polis...another poster says that.  Keep that in mind when you think of Dirty Hand.

[COLOMBO]

re: Babalu:

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:58 pm
DirtyHand knows the Babylonians that provided escort after the 2 shivas left

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:55 pm
Why do they leave the Maze open?
Why hasn’t an Arawak probed it’s fetid depths.

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:11 am
All the Arawaks know the Maze which plays the poison songs

Seek ye DirtyHand and the Fetid Arawak King who wishes to blame the babylonians for the behaviour of lowly minions.

The Arawak king has DirtyHands and DirtyFeet. If he is to reign anew, he cannot be soiled more.

[Lala'sMom]

Found a post I have been searching for for some time...please keep in mind that Babalu is a poster that appears to be on Aruba...not always right...but repeats a lot of things they hear on the street.  For the past 24 hours several posters have been trying to deciper Shango and Simian's postings.  Remember that Babalu is the one that makes a guess about Dirty Hand also...I said a guess.  Babalu has been guessing for a while about it all so take it for what it's worth.  The only person this post fits is Joran. IMO

Mum you will find this interesting..

#  Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:18 am

Rasta

They established earlier, that Arawaks are Colombian, like Arawaks from the Andes.

Also, the filming is at the Kasino, where she is seen in video with suspect #5, the guy she spent her first three days with.

I thought Lordship ws the PM, because he said that he was stepping down soon.

Now the question is, who are the Sumerians???? The Arab Aruba merchants or businessmen?????

[Lala'sMom]

FYI...it's easier if I just post this in entirety so as not to be accused as taking things out of context. As you can see most everything here is just a guess as to what is the truth.

#  Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:00 am

Regalee

Tomorrow the’ll let Steve go and nothing much will happen. But the day after tomorrow, they’ll bring again whom Simian calls suspect #5, which I think is the Lorenzo guy, which by the way, Checkme has been talking about him for a long time now. I think he is the guy in the blue van with the huge speakers on top. On Shango’s terms, I dont’t know if he ’s a Babylonian, an Arawak or a Sumerian. He’s probably a Fu__ing A– Hole.


# bond on June 27th, 2005 12:00 am

Thanks to you too Bab!! I need to get all of Simians info together.


# Ragalee on June 27th, 2005 12:02 am

Thx Bab. We’ll see if this comes true for Monday, then Tuesday I’ll have to see for myself what happens since I will be in Aruba.

See ya.


# JayFreddy on June 27th, 2005 12:05 am

Ok, would someone tell me who Simian is supposed to be?


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:06 am

Regalee

By the way, if you go to the internet cafe, look for Deepak later on during the week. He will not be there on tuesday. If we don;t talk tomorrow, have a nice trip, and enjoy your stay.


# new girl on June 27th, 2005 12:06 am

The 46 reference was related to Bifrons. Bifrons is aka the 46th spirit. See: http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/mythology/bifrons.asp

“The Forty-sixth Spirit is called Bifrons, or Bifrous, or Bifrovs. He is an Earl, and appeareth in the Form of a Monster; but after a while, at the Command of the Exorcist, he putteth on the shape of a Man. His Office is to make one knowing in Astrology, Geometry, and other Arts and Sciences. He teacheth the Virtues of Precious Stones and Woods. He changeth Dead Bodies, and putteth them in another place; also he lighteth seeming Candles upon the Graves of the Dead. He hath under his Command 6 Legions of Spirits.”


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:07 am

JayFreddy

The other day he mentioned that he was Southamerican, but believe me, he is no monkey.


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:09 am

New Girl

So Shamu was saying that the kid is evil. He also said that the father did not walked the paths of the son, so maybe that is why he was let go.


# chimes on June 27th, 2005 12:10 am

bond, are a.k.a. james or 007?


# Rastafai Rabbi on June 27th, 2005 12:12 am

1. The Babylonians are the Dutch, the white man. The Arawaks are the Arubans. The black man. They cannot stand being ruled by the Dutch white man. They were hoping conviction of the father would bring the Dutch ruling house of cards to come tumbling down.
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the struggle between the babylonians and the arawaks still remains hidden

the arawaks awaited the key

his lordship said no

the door to eden remains closed

they are preparing the fire

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2. The new judge came in and released father Sloot in order to keep Dutch control over Aruba. If a white dutch judge is convicted of a crime there all hell will break loose in the Hague.

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His lordship is there to preserve babylon

not the elder

remember dirtyhand!
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3. Past tense for the Indian brothers and past tense for the Arubans who had been in contact with her at any time. Present tense for the Dutch who are holding her captive and alive (at this or some other time).

—

The shivas knew the girl

the arawaks new the girl

and the babylonians still know the girl

—

4. Dirty hand is not an Aruban but has been there from day one. Not like the Sloots.

—
DirtyHand is not an Arawak

Many pioneers have settled with the tribe
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5. Released the Father today which would have set the domino effect of the outser of foreign invaders from Aruba. The Americans sense all of this but cannot figure it out yet.
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The card of babylon was already played

if it sings, DirtyHand will bring down the Royal House on top of the Arawak Nation

the gods have handed down a pipe of peace, but a sacrifice will be made

Some elders of the game, not just of babylon walk in older circles

cowboys hear the singing, but the words are not understood

The gods and the babylonians are worried about the cowboys response

6. Local kids play with the younger Sloot children. Where are the younger children today. That or brothels where locals partake in the forbiden European pleasures.

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Arawaks often go to play in small houses of Babylon with the offspring of the Elders

Are the children of the elders there, or did they flee to Babylon?

DirtyHand knows, this is his Power

there will be 46 sacrifices
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7. Either the brother or the Sloot house. Where dirty hand watched or filmed.

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You always find forbidden desires in the small houses of Babylon

the girl knew this

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this house of Babylon.

But not to satiate desire

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8. If they don’t find her tomorrow they never will. Oddly enough one of the rescuers said the same thing. Tomorrow or within 3 days based in there search site info

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If the door to eden is to be opened with that key, it will be tomorrow

or forever remained closed

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9. and who is dirty hand. the sloots gardner houseboy cook who hears and sees eveyrthing in that house

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DirtyHand has worked for the elders for a long time

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# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:18 am

Rasta

They established earlier, that Arawaks are Colombian, like Arawaks from the Andes.

Also, the filming is at the Kasino, where she is seen in video with suspect #5, the guy she spent her first three days with.

I thought Lordship ws the PM, because he said that he was stepping down soon.

Now the question is, who are the Sumerians???? The Arab Aruba merchants or businessmen?????


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:19 am

Very disjointed
Dirty Hand is casino link to crimes involving, but bigger than, Natalee missing.



# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:20 am

Rasta

Maybe she was filmed during those days too. I guess the younger Babylonians liked doing that.


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:21 am

Arabs are related to this Island????


# Jerry on June 27th, 2005 12:21 am

I think you are all full of shit!


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:22 am

Nice lingua..


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:24 am

Concerned

Like inmigrants established in Aruba, of Lebanese descent, or Syrian descent. Like that. Not the terrorist type.

Jerry

We all are, because you read the stuff.


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:24 am

Is the kasino owned by Arabs?? Anyone??


# Jerry on June 27th, 2005 12:25 am

I thought I was full of shit , well you got me beat!


# edie on June 27th, 2005 12:25 am

It’s funny because we all have been trying to figure this stuff out for days now. Never do we actually get anywhere with it….


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:26 am

Arabs do not equal terrorists. I understand that.
Is Dirty Hand an Arab?


# edie on June 27th, 2005 12:27 am

If Aruba is really the way these cryptic messages portray it I would be scared to go there.



# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:27 am

Jerry

I think you are right. Our thirst for information or our addiction to all this tell and tell, have made us developed a taste for crap. Maybe we should go to bed and wake up refreshed and with a better vision of the Babylonians, the Arawaks, Dirty Harry and the Full of Craps.

Goodnight Concerned, Rasta, Chimes, Bond, and whomever may still be here.

Pleasant dreams,


# bond on June 27th, 2005 12:28 am

Chimes, neither it’s bond together I’m obbessed with this site and all of you!


# Jerry on June 27th, 2005 12:29 am

There was a piece on 60 minutes or 20/20 where the wealthy arabs would pay people to find boys or girls to have sex with them. Some were paying $20,000 to $30,000 for the night.


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:30 am

Concerned

No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.


# chimes on June 27th, 2005 12:31 am

Now, now, Jerry! You may now go to the Sponge Bob forum.


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:32 am

Is the kasino owned by Arabs?


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:34 am

When I refered to the Arabs, I did because in one of his long poems, Shango makes reference to the Sumerians. So I asummed that. I understand the leading business people in Aruba and Curazao, are very richly rich families of either Arab or Jewish origins, established there for centuries.


# chimes on June 27th, 2005 12:34 am

To my dear bond, I must admit I have a little OCD also!


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:36 am

I have been asking the same question several times today, but no answer. I checked the casino at the Marriott, but it belongs to a chain. Again, I do not know who the owners of this chain are, nor do I know if the famous party was at the hotel where the kasino is.


# Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:37 am

Bye you all.


# Simian on June 27th, 2005 12:39 am

Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.


# chimes on June 27th, 2005 12:39 am

BaByeGoodNightBabalu!


# Concerned on June 27th, 2005 12:43 am

Hmmmm


# ******* on June 27th, 2005 12:44 am

Can somoene please translate in English all the mumbo jumbo that was said above. What is the prevalent theory among the knowledgeable locals in Aruba. Don’t worry - no Columbians are watching this. You are anonymous - no one will track you down. Please explain in English whether, based on how events have turned, NH was kidnapped by some Columbians or other south americans and taken to a diff island or whether Joran killed her or let her be kidnapped by someone else? This has to end somehow — the American media may eventually leave (maybe after a couple months), but the family will not.


# new girl on June 27th, 2005 12:48 am

Here’s an interesting older post from Simian:

“Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Can’t deny it. It’s on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.

After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.

First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.

How can this ever be solved?”


# HomoSapienSaySimianSucks on June 27th, 2005 12:49 am

Simian, you are an idiot. I have been silently following this blog since its conception and your mysterious messages merely serve to keep people waiting with bated breath, only to ultimately disappoint. Nobody speaks in prose, esp a non-native English speaker. You’re a monkey.


# Sandy on June 27th, 2005 12:50 am

Thread 1188 made a lot more sense, then Shango came in and started using a different code than Shock and Simian, now none of it makes any sense. I no longer know who any of the cast of characters are–and last night I thought I had it all down pat!


# ******* on June 27th, 2005 12:52 am

Yes, life is not always a suspense novel - there are not any columbiam mobsters monitoring your internet usage. Yes, some people blog to fantasize, but others want genuine information. Enough b.s. - a girl has likely died. Your tourism may not be affected now b/c current travelers could not cancel their planned trips, but people who will book in the future will think twice.


# Sandy on June 27th, 2005 12:52 am

That was in response to *******’s post


# bond on June 27th, 2005 12:52 am

Simian, I will be waiting for song man to be released, Greta to get elders interview and the cowboys to be closer to finding Natalee. Good nite all. until tommorrow


# ******* on June 27th, 2005 12:52 am

Sandy - could you please translate in english - not code?


# Simian on June 27th, 2005 12:54 am

I am leaving. I am done.

[COLOMBO]

His lordhip & the 46th:

http://www.cinema.com/people/000/811/joe-pesci/gallery/page_1.phtml

[Observer]

# Simian on June 27th, 2005 12:39 am

Watch tomorrow, but do not speak, and it will all unfold before you.
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The only thing I am aware of on June 28th is Lorenzo being questioned

[COLOMBO]

or..........did he    "walk with the fallen elder"    ????

[Lala'sMom]

Finally when Shango wakes up after his nap...he reads Babalu's post and replies with this...

Shango on June 27th, 2005 4:00 am

Babalu finally opened a window with a view into the house of Babylon with his 12:30 posting



Babalú on June 27th, 2005 12:30 am

Concerned

No, I guess he is head of some local official corps. He is the guy that knows everything and that has been in the house of Babylonians NOT seeking pleasure for himself, so Shango says. So maybe he went to search for Natalee and he is the chief of Polis.


So is Shango  agreeing that Dirty Hand IS the Chief of Polis or is Shango agreeing that he is head of some local official corps or that he just knows everything?  Shango never comes out and says anything.  In fact the only thing Shango makes perfectly clear is that he does not think Joran is the one that should be prosecuted...Joran is only a scapegoat in all this.  I will stop before I come to a conclusion that might surprise everyone.