SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #1

[MumInOhio]

Another thought from the same front page thread:

1.   subdude on June 25th, 2005 8:26 pm
Edie: The “Hindus” are the Kalpoes from Surinam and practice Hindu religion, I believe. Mrs Kalpoe made reference to Hindu altar in her home on Greta interview.
Aruban police are trying to get around PVDS mastermind scheme to avoid prosecution and have son do same by hiding behind the privilege of not being able to be compelled to testify against another family member.
But, per Simian, there is a wrinkle.

 
Out of the box, maybe, but if Lorenzo is related to Paulus, then he cannot testify against his Dad or brother. Is this the DNA results that they were waiting on.

91.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
…unless the package from The Hague says that he is implicated. The evidence has him in a legal checkmate. He cannot deny.

[Lala'sMom]

82.   Name: Simian | E-mail: xx | IP: xx
The new hammer and block could not island hop. The Babylonians can’t keep the gates shut forever. The days are 116 and they each have a number.
The Babylonians can’t use the whip on the boy. A elder is playing mute. If he doesn’t know, why did he heed the call?
The music man is singing. His song is not on the bill. One witness is not a witness.
Posted Jun 25, 9:16 PM



I started to wonder about this new judge so went back and read the thread. There is no interaction between Shango and Simian on this thread. Only Simian is posting.

ON this thread it is said that there will be two more arrests tomorrow and one is the Chief of Polis!

From here on there were not two more arrests, in fact Steve and Paulus were released. Three questioned on the 28th. Freddy, Lorenzo and Luis Ramirez. What does he have to do with this? Is he an elder? Does he work in the casinos like Jaime’s Dad. Where does Freddy’s Dad work? Are they all part of COLUMBO’S game?

Why have the federales left? Why have Beth and Greta left?
Why could the judge not island hop? Who was the new judge? Who was the old judge?

They don’t own the hammer and the block…did they?  (Judge Witt was assigned to the Caribbean Court on June 1st, but still managed to make some decisions in this case. Most later decisions were made by Judge Smid)

You are beginning to think like me...be very afraid.  LOL

Now, the island hopping judge could be a reference to the judge that missed hi flight from Curacao one time and they had to wait until the next day or so.  I have forgotten what it was all about now. 

Yes, what does Ramirez have to do with this? Just verifying things that were already stated?  It is interesting.

[MumInOhio]

Lol...Lala's...I believe they said he did miss his flight. But why? Which judge showed up to release Croes and Paulus? there is a reason they keep all those judges names secret IMO. More homework!....

Been looking at the 'Chief of Polis"...they called them all Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs, it gets confusing. I have read that Dompig was put in there because of his son and GVC.

Trying to remember that 'Dirty Hand' was not an "arawak' and had been around a long time. I saw that von Cromvoit moved to Aruba 1997, but who the heck knows who he knew on the 'other side of the pond'.

Did read a post this morning that questioned if Anita ever really was in the Netherlands and recalled Judge Witt, about the search warrant, that it would be a conflict of interest for him to allow the whole house search as he was staying with Paulus and Anita. No way to tell if he meant the weekend of June15th. or the weekend that Natalee disappeared. Have also read posts where Anita was questioned and one that said 'No, the mother was not arrested'. Maybe none of the family was in Holland.

Who knows...like you I have never seen anything like it!

[jackb]

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this (small) house of Babylon. (small house=hotel room?)
But not to satiate desire.

He holds the real key

Shango Says: June 28th, 2005 at 12:23 am
Follow the notes (money?)
to the poison house
where the children of the babylonians
and the arawak nation
meet, under cover of delusion.

He is the link!

Find DirtyHand! He too walked in this (small) house of Babylon. (small house=hotel room?)
But not to satiate desire.

He holds the real key

Palus was not a judge.  What about Wit or Smid?  Also Joran has a small house.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lol...Lala's...I believe they said he did miss his flight. But why? Which judge showed up to release Croes and Paulus? there is a reason they keep all those judges names secret IMO. More homework!....

Been looking at the 'Chief of Polis"...they called them all Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs, it gets confusing. I have read that Dompig was put in there because of his son and GVC.

Trying to remember that 'Dirty Hand' was not an "arawak' and had been around a long time. I saw that von Cromvoit moved to Aruba 1997, but who the heck knows who he knew on the 'other side of the pond'.

Did read a post this morning that questioned if Anita ever really was in the Netherlands and recalled Judge Witt, about the search warrant, that it would be a conflict of interest for him to allow the whole house search as he was staying with Paulus and Anita. No way to tell if he meant the weekend of June15th. or the weekend that Natalee disappeared. Have also read posts where Anita was questioned and one that said 'No, the mother was not arrested'. Maybe none of the family was in Holland.

Who knows...like you I have never seen anything like it!

I was thinking the judge's flight was delayed or canceled, so I just searched for something...found a couple articles...this one from 6/25/05 says it was delayed several times and he postponed decision to Sunday, 6/26/05.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2005/06/25/hearing_of_five_suspects_in_aruba_delayed/5503/

[Lala'sMom]

Lol...Lala's...I believe they said he did miss his flight. But why? Which judge showed up to release Croes and Paulus? there is a reason they keep all those judges names secret IMO. More homework!....

Been looking at the 'Chief of Polis"...they called them all Chiefs, Deputy Chiefs, it gets confusing. I have read that Dompig was put in there because of his son and GVC.

Trying to remember that 'Dirty Hand' was not an "arawak' and had been around a long time. I saw that von Cromvoit moved to Aruba 1997, but who the heck knows who he knew on the 'other side of the pond'.

Did read a post this morning that questioned if Anita ever really was in the Netherlands and recalled Judge Witt, about the search warrant, that it would be a conflict of interest for him to allow the whole house search as he was staying with Paulus and Anita. No way to tell if he meant the weekend of June15th. or the weekend that Natalee disappeared. Have also read posts where Anita was questioned and one that said 'No, the mother was not arrested'. Maybe none of the family was in Holland.

Who knows...like you I have never seen anything like it!

Read your Shango again...there is an Arawak Dirty Hand in this mix.

[Lala'sMom]

the singing card was held, then 'walked' with the elder

walked as in was released from suspect status? 
walked as in physically walked side by side?
walked as in just accompanied Paulus?

Lots of names come to mind, but it does return to holding the key to all this.  If we ever figure out who is dirty hand what good does it do us now?  Can anyone tell I am beginning to get ever so frustrated? 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's will do! I'm still stuck on 'walked' and the 'real' key and then 'Dirty hand is the link'. LOL...don't think I've got past 'across the pond'.
Not having much luck searching on the judges...keep getting an error 401 bad request...associated with a virus or spyware ... Better call the Geek Squad!

Thanks 2NJ.....another coincidence!

[COLOMBO]

Lala's:

Walked with the fallen elder=was released with......remember, PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve......will one of the cards sing?
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Jack:

Precisely my point-PVDS was NEVER a judge......or......was he (as Shango infers)? If so, when? And, why???? And what song did he sing? The Babylonians knew the girl?


"Why did the girl owe money?"



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"real key" = a real key.....to the "poison house-where children of the elders meet the Arawak Nation (Aruban Gov't)......He is the link! (between the gardeners and the Gov't)

[2NJSons_Mom]

Lala's:

Walked with the fallen elder=was released with......remember, PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve......will one of the cards sing?
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Jack:

Precisely my point-PVDS was NEVER a judge......or......was he (as Shango infers)? If so, when? And, why???? And what song did he sing? The Babylonians knew the girl?


"Why did the girl owe money?"



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"real key" = a real key.....to the "poison house-where children of the elders meet the Arawak Nation (Aruban Gov't)......He is the link! (between the gardeners and the Gov't)

Paulus walked with Steve Croes?

"Why did the girl owe money?"  I'm thinking you are pointing to p.4 of that pimp case &  explanation of pimp organization....someone had sights on her, claimed her and then she ended up with someone else....that document referenced payment. ???

real key is still a puzzle, though.....

(puzzle =  )

[COLOMBO]

apparently he did have a second card up his sleeve......but the Arawaks would not use it-no wampum many moons

[COLOMBO]

2NJ:

sounds like "the path to the maze"....did you find the right path?

"but it was NOT A GAME"

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's:

Walked with the fallen elder=was released with......remember, PVDS had one or two cards up his sleeve......will one of the cards sing?
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Jack:

Precisely my point-PVDS was NEVER a judge......or......was he (as Shango infers)? If so, when? And, why???? And what song did he sing? The Babylonians knew the girl?


"Why did the girl owe money?"



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"real key" = a real key.....to the "poison house-where children of the elders meet the Arawak Nation (Aruban Gov't)......He is the link! (between the gardeners and the Gov't)

Steve Croes was one  of the singing cards.  Simian said he was singing.  So is Steve Croes Dirty Hand?  He is not in ALE...he did, however, have the ability to walk in all circles.  He was the DJ that played the parties.  I think he was paid to provide that alibi for Joran and the Kalpoes.  I have long suspected he was in this way deeper than it looked.  He wasn't the only group that had access to these parties.  What about all the people that worked at the casinos?  There have been many dirty hands.

Natalee did not owe any money.  I know, I know.  Let me say this...I don't think she owed any money to anyone. What caused the gamblers to think she owed money.  Was it a mistake and another girl was to be the target?  I am rambling, I think. This is me today....  Stop laughing. 

[COLOMBO]

his song wasn't on the bill......the babylonian card remained hidden

[COLOMBO]

maze is difficult for supposed guilty-EVEN IF INOCENT

[Lala'sMom]

While perusing the FP I found a few posts that made me go hmmmmm....these two posters are always thinking in the right direction...bringing them over here because I heard Shango calling in  them.

#  10061906 on January 14th, 2008 5:55 pm

Accordingly; Dr Hodges graphically describes how Natalee was victimized, raped and died from choking. Earlier in an interview with Greta, Joran was asked if sex was on his mind when he was with Natalee. He said that was his first intention. She never followed with what would be your second intention. We will never know.
If that was his first intention, what would they have done when they were finished with Natalee had she survived this brutal assault? She would have had severe body trauma and a possible head wound. She would have been naked, bruised and bleeding. If they left her alive on the beach; then she could identify her assailants.
Natalee had to die and in my book that would be premeditated murder. The whole scenario was planned by rehearsing with other tourist to play out what was needed for the final play of the game. Paulus made sure there was no body for no case.

My question is how did they know before hand that they would get away with kidnapping, rape and murder? Was someone betting on this game, betting on the outcome? Betting on a cover up?

My only objection to Dr. Hodges’ description would be the change of vehicles. The back of a subcompact I don’t believe is big enough to do what they did to Natalee. A mattress on the back of a pick up truck would prove more spacious. There was a bloody mattress that had to be disposed of along with foam, tape, glasses, bottle of liquid, leather belt and VCB sport shirt.


# Richard on January 15th, 2008 12:21 am

Some people also opine that when Deepak stopped the car, just after Natalee had gotten in, at a bar down the street and rushed in, he did so because of physical needs.

Does this make sense? We know that they stopped at the bar, because Natalee’s cousin was watching.

Deepak ran in, and came out a few minutes later.

This is the bar of which the bartender later was found dead in the tourist cave in Aruba, minus his arms and legs. (Some sources say other appendages, exclusive to a man, were also missing.) And his body had been burned.

Of course, Aruba’s finest said he died of a cocaine overdose.

But getting back to Deepak … methinks he ran into the bar not for physical reasons, but rather to give a signal. The question is: to whom?
# Richard on January 15th, 2008 12:23 am

10061096, remember too that Paulus said he picked up Joran at 4 am. Then, somehow, the time was changed to 11 pm. Aruba’s finest never picked up on that, but Beth did.


Simian Says: June 26th, 2005 at 10:24 pm
The boy is no Ajax. He is too afraid of the consequences. He doesn’t want to be made a cafone.
The third act needs to be played and the cowboys will be heroes.
This is all a “lugubrious game” to them. They were all at the party and all of them are turning their heads. One of them needs to be pinched.

[sirensong]

Wow, Lala's!  I just read those on the front page also.  It did catch my attention, sounded different.  I reread the one from 10061906, and then just left it.  It does sound like Shango (only modern, updated!) and Simian.  I didn't know Pitbull was the one working in that bar that night.  Is this true?  Sure does sound like the conclusion to the game.  Thanks for pointing that out.  Very interesting......

[COLOMBO]

Not Shango/Simian but an interresting post from back in April 2006 on the front page of SM (the forum was down at the time):

[COLOMBO]

in above linked, connect the dots=follow the music

to the house (of gold bricks) with the path (but not of gold) to the maze

[ala_gunslinger]

Not Shango/Simian but an interresting post from back in April 2006 on the front page of SM (the forum was down at the time):

I remember the conversation.  It was the day after my birthday!  btw, I WAS Gunslinger back then.